Law THE POLICE SHOOTING/USE OF FORCE MEGATHREAD: discussions to determine if justified or not

[Joshuaace]

@Poon Goon As far as these Critical Incident Briefings go. I think this is a very good one. Took GRPD 2 days to release this. Being hyper critical; I wish they would have shown Ofc #1 draw his weapon, other than that, not much to complain about. And yes, I'm aware #2 shot him when he may not have been armed. Extra props to GRPD for taking steps to protect the identity of what appears to be someone with mental health issues.

 

[Poon Goon]

@Poon Goon As far as these Critical Incident Briefings go. I think this is a very good one. Took GRPD 2 days to release this. Being hyper critical; I wish they would have shown Ofc #1 draw his weapon, other than that, not much to complain about. And yes, I'm aware #2 shot him when he may not have been armed. Extra props to GRPD for taking steps to protect the identity of what appears to be someone with mental health issues.

I'll check it out. Reminds of something that may lend credence to your opinion of the El Centro briefing being shitty though. An article came out criticizing them for releasing it at 5:01pm on the Friday after Thanksgiving. They also didn't post it to their Facebook and Twitter like they normally do. I didn't know they did that and it seem like they weren't proud of the shooting.

 

[Joshuaace]

I'll check it out.

Worth noting, BOTH of these GRPD Officers were able to stop shooting when the immediate threat was neutralized. They aren't required by Policy or Statute to try to de-escalate; but they did. They aren't required to attempt using less lethal; but they did. They aren't required to announce the use of deadly force prior to shooting; but they did.

Grand Rapids has the least restrictive use of force policy and Statute/Code between them, Reno, and El Centro. And yet I see both GRPD #1 and #2 as showing more restraint and better judgement on applying deadly force than either Ofc #1 from El Centro, or #1 from Reno.

 

[Joshuaace]

@Poon Goon. This happened 2 days ago. LVMPD policy is to have their critical incident briefs out in 3 days. They've since had their 10th OIS of 2023.

Good briefing policy, and a good briefing. Note at 20:10 or so. She is completely open that they have no evidence he turned a gun on himself. In fact, she basically said he wasn't even in control of the rifle when they lit him up......and I have ZERO issue with lighting this dude up when they did.

Piggly wiggly still awol?

 

[Poon Goon]

@Poon Goon. This happened 2 days ago. LVMPD policy is to have their critical incident briefs out in 3 days. They've since had their 10th OIS of 2023.

Good briefing policy, and a good briefing. Note at 20:10 or so. She is completely open that they have no evidence he turned a gun on himself. In fact, she basically said he wasn't even in control of the rifle when they lit him up......and I have ZERO issue with lighting this dude up when they did.

Piggly wiggly still awol?

Las Vegas cops shot the shit out of a bunch of people a couple of years back so it's nice to see them be thorough and efficient with releasing the info. Bearman hasn't been around, a few weeks back he said he'd been in the hospital. Hope he's alright.

 

[Joshuaace]

Bearman hasn't been around, a few weeks back he said he'd been in the hospital. Hope he's alright.

His view on the BOR's disgust me to my core, but I don't wish ill will on anyone. Hope TS is a'ight wherever he is.

 

[nhbbear]

@Poon Goon @deadshot138 @nhbbear

Thoughts?

Total studs. I personally witnessed two of our officers doing similar stuff. One officer was a female and was my former apartment. She ran into a burning building to save cats after the owner said “we have animals in there-kittens” she made one trip and rescued five kittens but the adult cats wouldn’t come near her and ultimately died. Another time(I wasn’t there but watched the videos) of my former Lt go into a burning car to pull an already dead person out of the vehicle so their body wouldn’t burn and the family was so very thankful-I was working the front desk when the son called to find out more details and I told him that an officer risked his life so the family would have an open casket rather than a burnt up corpse. The son was crying and asked for the officers name and I gave it where normally I wouldn’t, but damn it, he deserved so much credit for what he did. I think three people died in that crash and all the bodies were retrieved before burning.

 

[Joshuaace]

Total studs.

Singh is. Hirales is a Shithead that makes almost twice as much money as Singh, while not following department policy, and having less reverance for human life.

 

[Joshuaace]

Long before instagram, some guys in the old OT asked me to write some of my coo stories in a thread. Fucking thread had like 75k views so I did a second volume. I didn’t run out of stories, just time. I used to have to sit the desk when I exams a sergeant and I would write them at work. As you can imagine, some of these stories were so fucking girthy and took a long time to write, and eventually, it quit being fun

Just as a guess, how much time did you spend posting on Sherdog on the taxpayers dime? How much time would you think is reasonable for public servants in your community to spend on internet message boards while on duty?

A 2nd volume? kio, I searched, can't find it. Link me up lol

Shut the fuck up about it already.

Doesn't appear like your mental health can handle such a quick return to the WR.

As far as being lazy, before I was a supervisor and had other duties,

Shut the hell up! When you weren't bragging about posting on taxpayer time, You were complaining about having to actually do your job while at work.

It's gonna be tough. Some fucking **** made me work today.

The chase shouldn’t have happened, but it did and after the crash and this shithead’s attempt to murder someone, I guess you would rather the cops not prevent that murder because they violated policy, or we are assuming they violated policy. I am not looking up this department’s policies to hunt for their pursuit policy

I'm not assuming anything. After accusing people itt of being to lazy to research, turns out it is you that is too damn lazy to look up a policy.

Hell, in some cities like Shitcago, the officers now have to ask permission for foot pursuits because a couple of armed criminals got shot and unlike the 600 hundred other fatal shootings in that city including those of children, the protesters were out in the streets for lifelong violent felons placing candles, signs, and teddy bears in the area that they were shot.

So none of those 600+ victims were memorialized in that City? That's not even close to reality.

And all the video and articles say is that it was a traffic violation, but it doesn’t indicate whether it was a tail-light, stop sign, or more serious issues that would put the public at risk and possibly justify the decision to pursue.

What put the public at risk was an out of policy chase that reached speeds of 120mph and possibly higher. No chase = no crash = no innocent biker laying in the freeway to be stabbed. Obviously, once they are in that position they have to use deadly force to protect that poor biker (who is going to sue the fuck out of CHP and SCSD). That doesn't give the officers a free pass for violating policy which put them in this position.

And here you go again with the “I don’t give a ahit about policy” bullshit.

You don't. That's how you can look at this shooting, the Vargas shooting in El Centro, and many others and say dumb shit like "The officers didn't follow policy or code, but it's still a good shoot."

It doesn't work like that in the real world Bird Brain.

It was the guy that threw the brick at the officer after threatening to smash a woman’s head with it because she had the audacity to call the police on him for stealing from her store.

Did he threaten to smash her head? Did she say that, or are you just 'pumping it up'? I thought she said something to the effect of 'he picked up a brick and is a threatening me, but he keeps walking away.' Per the timeline and map, wasn't she over 100 yds away from Vargas when she made the 2ND 911 call?

Before you and I ever even engaged in that incident, I said they utilized bad tactics by being too close and that there were better options or tactics they should have used, but the shooting itself was not criminal and was a justified shooting.

That's you being willing to excuse a public servant for not following policy and code that results in a routine interaction being needlessly escalated to a fatal OIS.

You kept bringing up policy and claimed that they violated department policy by engaging. You wrongly claimed they didn’t try to deescalate, which they did and I correctly pointed out where they did. You made a stereotype that the guy probably didn’t understand English because he was Hispanic

Did I say probably, or possibly? I moved this bullshit back to your bullshit thread that you ran from like a COWARD. I did that so you can go and fact chat what I actually said, and how you've twisted those words.

I argued, rightfully, that the guy already threatened to kill the woman that called police, therefore, drawing a firearm was justified.

He threatened to kill her? He picked up a brick and continued walking away from her. There is a map and timeline of events

You then tried to argue that that was also against policy claiming that a brick was not a deadly weapon and pulling a gun was against policy.

Be honest, and I know that's difficult for you, but the proof is itt. Did I say the brick wasn't a deadly weapon? Or did I say it was only deadly within a limited range?

I handed you your ass by providing several incidents proving that a brick can kill-which I didn’t even have to do because deadly force is anything that can cause serious injury or death, and only a troglodyte would argue that a brick can’t do either of those things.

Actually what happened was your cpu had a glitch, your dog ate your homework, and you ran from your own thread because it was jeopardizing your own mental health.

And I said I didn’t give a shit what the policy said because we were discussing if the cops should be charged with murder, which is absurd.

Nobody said the word murder. I said "he should face charges imo". I drew a very clear picture of how, when, and where Hirales specifically violated dept policy and California Code. You made a couple excuses about why you couldn't respond, then you logged off to protect your mental health. Now you are trying to play the victim in your grand return to the WR.

Policy violations are internal disciplinary issues and have nothing to do with criminal charges. You won’t get charged with a crime for violating departmental policy unless the violation of that policy ends up being a criminal act. You were trying to argue that because the officers engaged and were too close, they put themselves in jeopardy and “created the deadly force scenario” therefore, they are guilty of murder.

In what post did I say Hirales was guilty of Capital Murder? This "pumping it up" thing you do in your fictional stories; You also do it in discussion in order to validate your viewpoint. Did you even read the policy, code, sb's and such I posted? I'm guessing you did not. Do you even know what Senate Bills do? Any idea what the California Penal Code is?

I honestly don’t know how you can type some of the shit you do with a straight face, but then, your whole job and success is determined by getting violent criminals back onto the streets with as little accountability as possible, and hey, if they face no repercussions for their actions, even better.

Lol, I'm not presenting myself as anything other than what I am. A mostly retired fat ass watching a Fox chase a Bunny while my Dog decides which one she is going to eat.

 

[nhbbear]

Just as a guess, how much time did you spend posting on Sherdog on the taxpayers dime? How much time would you think is reasonable for public servants in your community to spend on internet message boards while on duty?

A 2nd volume? kio, I searched, can't find it. Link me up lol



Doesn't appear like your mental health can handle such a quick return to the WR.



Shut the hell up! When you weren't bragging about posting on taxpayer time, You were complaining about having to actually do your job while at work.





I'm not assuming anything. After accusing people itt of being to lazy to research, turns out it is you that is too damn lazy to look up a policy.




So none of those 600+ victims were memorialized in that City? That's not even close to reality.



What put the public at risk was an out of policy chase that reached speeds of 120mph and possibly higher. No chase = no crash = no innocent biker laying in the freeway to be stabbed. Obviously, once they are in that position they have to use deadly force to protect that poor biker (who is going to sue the fuck out of CHP and SCSD). That doesn't give the officers a free pass for violating policy which put them in this position.



You don't. That's how you can look at this shooting, the Vargas shooting in El Centro, and many others and say dumb shit like "The officers didn't follow policy or code, but it's still a good shoot."

It doesn't work like that in the real world Bird Brain.



Did he threaten to smash her head? Did she say that, or are you just 'pumping it up'? I thought she said something to the effect of 'he picked up a brick and is a threatening me, but he keeps walking away.' Per the timeline and map, wasn't she over 100 yds away from Vargas when she made the 2ND 911 call?




That's you being willing to excuse a public servant for not following policy and code that results in a routine interaction being needlessly escalated to a fatal OIS.



Did I say probably, or possibly? I moved this bullshit back to your bullshit thread that you ran from like a COWARD. I did that so you can go and fact chat what I actually said, and how you've twisted those words.



He threatened to kill her? He picked up a brick and continued walking away from her. There is a map and timeline of events



Be honest, and I know that's difficult for you, but the proof is itt. Did I say the brick wasn't a deadly weapon? Or did I say it was only deadly within a limited range?



Actually what happened was your cpu had a glitch, your dog ate your homework, and you ran from your own thread because it was jeopardizing your own mental health.



Nobody said the word murder. I said "he should face charges imo". I drew a very clear picture of how, when, and where Hirales specifically violated dept policy and California Code. You made a couple excuses about why you couldn't respond, then you logged off to protect your mental health. Now you are trying to play the victim in your grand return to the WR.




In what post did I say Hirales was guilty of Capital Murder? This "pumping it up" thing you do in your fictional stories; You also do it in discussion in order to validate your viewpoint. Did you even read the policy, code, sb's and such I posted? I'm guessing you did not. Do you even know what Senate Bills do? Any idea what the California Penal Code is?



Lol, I'm not presenting myself as anything other than what I am. A mostly retired fat ass watching a Fox chase a Bunny while my Dog decides which one she is going to eat.

 

[Joshuaace]

@nhbbear

You quoted me but forgot to call me names, make excuses, or mention dicks, cocks, or penises.

You sure you are okay?

 

[nhbbear]

@nhbbear

You quoted me but forgot to call me names, make excuses, or mention dicks, cocks, or penises.

You sure you are okay?

Yeah, I was writing my response, and the screen was too small, so I cut and pasted in my notes app and was just getting ready to transfer it. I’m sure you will love it-probably all four parts of it

 

[nhbbear]

Just as a guess, how much time did you spend posting on Sherdog on the taxpayers dime? How much time would you think is reasonable for public servants in your community to spend on internet message boards while on duty?

A 2nd volume? kio, I searched, can't find it. Link me up lol



Doesn't appear like your mental health can handle such a quick return to the WR.



Shut the hell up! When you weren't bragging about posting on taxpayer time, You were complaining about having to actually do your job while at work.





I'm not assuming anything. After accusing people itt of being to lazy to research, turns out it is you that is too damn lazy to look up a policy.




So none of those 600+ victims were memorialized in that City? That's not even close to reality.



What put the public at risk was an out of policy chase that reached speeds of 120mph and possibly higher. No chase = no crash = no innocent biker laying in the freeway to be stabbed. Obviously, once they are in that position they have to use deadly force to protect that poor biker (who is going to sue the fuck out of CHP and SCSD). That doesn't give the officers a free pass for violating policy which put them in this position.



You don't. That's how you can look at this shooting, the Vargas shooting in El Centro, and many others and say dumb shit like "The officers didn't follow policy or code, but it's still a good shoot."

It doesn't work like that in the real world Bird Brain.



Did he threaten to smash her head? Did she say that, or are you just 'pumping it up'? I thought she said something to the effect of 'he picked up a brick and is a threatening me, but he keeps walking away.' Per the timeline and map, wasn't she over 100 yds away from Vargas when she made the 2ND 911 call?




That's you being willing to excuse a public servant for not following policy and code that results in a routine interaction being needlessly escalated to a fatal OIS.



Did I say probably, or possibly? I moved this bullshit back to your bullshit thread that you ran from like a COWARD. I did that so you can go and fact chat what I actually said, and how you've twisted those words.



He threatened to kill her? He picked up a brick and continued walking away from her. There is a map and timeline of events



Be honest, and I know that's difficult for you, but the proof is itt. Did I say the brick wasn't a deadly weapon? Or did I say it was only deadly within a limited range?



Actually what happened was your cpu had a glitch, your dog ate your homework, and you ran from your own thread because it was jeopardizing your own mental health.



Nobody said the word murder. I said "he should face charges imo". I drew a very clear picture of how, when, and where Hirales specifically violated dept policy and California Code. You made a couple excuses about why you couldn't respond, then you logged off to protect your mental health. Now you are trying to play the victim in your grand return to the WR.




In what post did I say Hirales was guilty of Capital Murder? This "pumping it up" thing you do in your fictional stories; You also do it in discussion in order to validate your viewpoint. Did you even read the policy, code, sb's and such I posted? I'm guessing you did not. Do you even know what Senate Bills do? Any idea what the California Penal Code is?



Lol, I'm not presenting myself as anything other than what I am. A mostly retired fat ass watching a Fox chase a Bunny while my Dog decides which one she is going to eat.

Dude, you really are a lowlife piece of shit. You’re actually really trying to put me down over physical and mental health issues?



There was a cunt a few months back, rob mafia, that actually did the same thing.



This all started a few days prior when he started attacking me for no reason. We had no history or previous beef, but he needed to feel better about himself, so he starts trying to tear people down. But luckily, I had just happened to see a post he made a few days prior where he was talking about how jacked and scary he was because he was from Philly. He posted that he went out west and in places like Portland, the people were such pussies that they wouldn’t even look at him because he was so scary. Truly terrifying stuff and I thought “what a fucking douchebag.” So after he attacked me for no reason, I threw that in his face a few times and it got to him because he comes into a mental illness thread where another poster and I are discussing treatments and he says something like “oh, boo hoo, I have depression, I’m so sad” and he ends it with “don’t kill yourself, or maybe you should.” That of course spawned other arguments, and just like you, he doesn’t share much information because he was terrified someone would use something against him. I told him if he was as jacked and scary as he claimed, to post a pic in the Mayberry picture thread so I would know to run away if I ever saw him out at some point the next time I was in Philly. He refused, called me gay about a dozen times for asking and even refused simple questions about his profession. He starts back in on the depression issue, just like you did, and

I went with an old school OT call-out thread like we used to do when a beef came up and since the rules there are more lax, you can really tear into each other. I made the thread, myself and others tagging him, and I posted pics of myself because unlike him, I am not ashamed of the information I share. He was confused about the lack of rules of the game and left like the bitch he is. Unfortunately for all, he was banned not long after, but I never reported him or anyone else in the last 18+ years.



And unlike you and many other pussies here (rob mafia, braklis-whom you remind me of so much, and heeto-another cockring) you don’t post or discuss anything personal because you’re afraid that someone will use it against you. I am an open book and there’s very little I wouldn’t share or admit to because I’m not a bitch and I am not ashamed of what I have done and the issues I face even though people like you will try to make fun of a person that admits they have depression/otsd



You pussy, you even have your profile set to private. Who the fuck does that? While maybe not quite the bitch move that is smashing that report button on your enemies (again, cunt extraordinaire)



I get ithat we don’t like each other at all, but you’re In really low territory, and rather than make me mad, sad, or triggered, it does none of those things. I will never be ashamed that I had to retire because of back surgery, or currently have two ruptured disks in my thoracic spine, or that I have depression and ptsd. You see, people-such as cops, firefighters, medical staff, soldiers, and so many others that have experienced some form of trauma (over 45

million people in the US and 970 million in developed counties that keep statistics on this issue, but the numbers are definitely much higher) suffer from depression, anxiety, ocd, or other mental illnesses. I can’t even begin to list all the terrible shit I have seen and have done in the line of duty. All you did by making those comments is show everyone what a trashbag of a human you are.



And then you have been trying to vilify me for posting on sherdog while working the front desk of an empty police station on midnight shift instead of watching tv or reading a book like everyone else does while on the front desk. I always approved or rejected(with corrections) all the reports that needed done, did payroll, checked for new warrants and gave a list to the officers on each beat, read the tabs(a physical copy of every single report) so I knew everything that happened since my last shift, and anything else that needed done. But you keep bringing this up like you really nailed me on this one like I did something wrong or immoral. I did most of my writing at home because we switched shifts every four weeks from midnight to afternoon to day shift-the latter two are always so busy that it’s not uncommon for officers to not have time for lunch break. Hell, on afternoon shift, we always started our shift with 3-4 calls in the hole. But midnights became quiet for some strange reason and the last ten or so years, midnights are just dead. Early in my career, any Thursday, Friday, and Saturday, we would have bar fights with 50-60 people fighting in the streets with the occasional shooting. We put on our leather frisking gloves at midnight and they usually didn’t come off until 0400 hrs.



And you and hereto were also trying to imply some sort of “stolen valor” because I said I gave my life for service or something. Obviously, I am typing this and not from the afterlife, what I meant was that I paid a heavy price for a career of service with multiple life altering injuries and mental health issues that you were happy to belittle me and many millions that suffer from depression or ptsd-again; really classy. Again, probably too much time holding hands with criminals that their behaviors and attitudes have rubbed off on you, but you seem to like people rubbing one off on you.

 

[nhbbear]

Just as a guess, how much time did you spend posting on Sherdog on the taxpayers dime? How much time would you think is reasonable for public servants in your community to spend on internet message boards while on duty?

A 2nd volume? kio, I searched, can't find it. Link me up lol



Doesn't appear like your mental health can handle such a quick return to the WR.



Shut the hell up! When you weren't bragging about posting on taxpayer time, You were complaining about having to actually do your job while at work.





I'm not assuming anything. After accusing people itt of being to lazy to research, turns out it is you that is too damn lazy to look up a policy.




So none of those 600+ victims were memorialized in that City? That's not even close to reality.



What put the public at risk was an out of policy chase that reached speeds of 120mph and possibly higher. No chase = no crash = no innocent biker laying in the freeway to be stabbed. Obviously, once they are in that position they have to use deadly force to protect that poor biker (who is going to sue the fuck out of CHP and SCSD). That doesn't give the officers a free pass for violating policy which put them in this position.



You don't. That's how you can look at this shooting, the Vargas shooting in El Centro, and many others and say dumb shit like "The officers didn't follow policy or code, but it's still a good shoot."

It doesn't work like that in the real world Bird Brain.



Did he threaten to smash her head? Did she say that, or are you just 'pumping it up'? I thought she said something to the effect of 'he picked up a brick and is a threatening me, but he keeps walking away.' Per the timeline and map, wasn't she over 100 yds away from Vargas when she made the 2ND 911 call?




That's you being willing to excuse a public servant for not following policy and code that results in a routine interaction being needlessly escalated to a fatal OIS.



Did I say probably, or possibly? I moved this bullshit back to your bullshit thread that you ran from like a COWARD. I did that so you can go and fact chat what I actually said, and how you've twisted those words.



He threatened to kill her? He picked up a brick and continued walking away from her. There is a map and timeline of events



Be honest, and I know that's difficult for you, but the proof is itt. Did I say the brick wasn't a deadly weapon? Or did I say it was only deadly within a limited range?



Actually what happened was your cpu had a glitch, your dog ate your homework, and you ran from your own thread because it was jeopardizing your own mental health.



Nobody said the word murder. I said "he should face charges imo". I drew a very clear picture of how, when, and where Hirales specifically violated dept policy and California Code. You made a couple excuses about why you couldn't respond, then you logged off to protect your mental health. Now you are trying to play the victim in your grand return to the WR.




In what post did I say Hirales was guilty of Capital Murder? This "pumping it up" thing you do in your fictional stories; You also do it in discussion in order to validate your viewpoint. Did you even read the policy, code, sb's and such I posted? I'm guessing you did not. Do you even know what Senate Bills do? Any idea what the California Penal Code is?



Lol, I'm not presenting myself as anything other than what I am. A mostly retired fat ass watching a Fox chase a Bunny while my Dog decides which one she is going to eat.

And no, I didn’t read all the policies you posted because as I said before, I don’t care. And of course, you like to take that to mean that I don’t care about policy, which isn’t true and not what I said-just you playing twister again. In both the brick and the chase incident, not following policy-again, that is your assessment, not mine, does not make an officer having to shoot a person utilizing deadly force does not mean that the shooting is automatically a bad shoot because the officers didn’t meet your standards for what deescaltion tactics they tried. Again, you claimed they did not try to deescalate the situation, and when I pointed out that they did in fact try to deescalate, you pivoted and brought up a language barrier. That asshole knew what those officers wanted and what they didn’t want-to have to shoot the guy because he tries to utilize a deadly weapon against an officer. Again, you claim they violated policy by pointing a firearm at the guy and according to you, they had no reason to do so despite this guy threatening to use that brick(a deadly weapon) on the woman that called police-but then, by your way of thinking, she probably violated policy by leaving the store to get a description and direction of travel. I mean, if she had just stayed in the store, she would have never been in the street to be threatened with a brick, so this is her fault. And if the officers, after deescalation failed, hadn’t gotten within brick throwing range, they wouldn’t have had to shoot him, so this is their fault? You spend so much time making excuses and defending violent criminals and trying to get them to not face accountability that you blame the normal people instead of the criminals. Maybe that dickhead shouldn’t have stolen from the store, maybe he shouldn’t have threatened a woman with a deadly weapon, maybe he shouldn’t have decided to throw a brick at the officer promoting him to fight deadly force with deadly force. But you are so naturally at odds with cops and clearly have such a hatred for cops that you blame everyone but the criminal that decided he would undertake actions that put lives at risk. Its really quite disgusting how you are so used to backing criminals that in order to make this the cop’s fault for his decisions, you’re pouring through policy and penis code to avoid the criminal from taking responsibility for deciding to threaten a woman and attack a cop. You also claimed that the cop escalated the situation by pulling his gun and said that the man was defending his life by throwing the brick. Nope, he escalated the situation by grabbing a brick and threatening the woman and then throwing it at a cop.



But since you wanted me to go back through the thread, let’s look at the mistakes. First, you claimed it a simple drunk in public call. Then you said hurr durr-especially hilarious because you’re the idiot that was wrong.



Also, you said they should have let him sleep it off, then changed your tune and said they should have arrested him, but without the excessive force. You actually said “mexi-bro was going home to sleep it off while officer shithead was going home to beat his wife with his bruised ego.” Again, let’s just ignore the felony he committed and let him sleep it off. What a twat. But there was no excessive force when he already committed a felony by threatening the woman and then throwing the brick, which was deadly force committed against the officer.



You argued that officer 1 “the shithead” which you say multiple times, was the only one with a gun drawn when you can see officer 2 holstering his weapon. Not that this was of any importance at all and you claimed the officer that fired the shots escalated this to deadly force when it already was deadly force with him threatening the caller. Oh, and you said that by her calling the police and he proceeded to threaten her with a brick was a “fuck around and find out” moment-so it’s all her fault she got threatened with a deadly weapon. Hell, she was just asking for it. Guess who else fucked around and found out? The deceased shitbag you’re so intent to defend constantly. Victim blaming a female crime victim because of your affinity for criminals. You really are a piece of shit on so many levels.



You state that they had other use of force options, and talked about tasers and beanbag rounds, and also insist there was a dog and told me that to assume they didn’t have those things in them was me making the mistake. I can’t quite recall if you got that information from their website or where that assumption came from. Most officers have pepper spray, but against a brick, without cover to protect them from the brick, pepper spray is not a good option because it has less range than the brick. Your words “They almost certainly had every dept approved non lethal on hand except for MAYBE the Dog. And to assume there isn't a Dog at least en route to the scene also seems a bit far fetched (forgive me).” You don’t know any of that whatsoever and are basing your criticism on facts you don’t have and are working on assumptions, which is incredibly arrogant and ignorant.

Your words: “. Please don't spend any more words trying to convinvince anyone other than yourself that they didn't have their entire arsenal of non-lethal, and the manpower to make it available on scene quickly, if it wasn't already there.”





I have already addressed the lack of cover and different tactics, but just because we can sit here in the comfort of our homes and say “they should have done this or that” does not mean the option they chose at that time was the wrong one. There are always numerous options and more than one can be correct or viable options, but when you are in these incidents and it is happening in real time and there is adrenaline and fear from facing a deadly weapon, the ability to choose the best option is not always apparent in the moment with stress. As someone who has been in countless situations like this, stress can cloud the mind-but then I don’t expect you to understand that having no real life experience with actually having been in a stressful deadly force situation.



You claimed there was zero attempt at deescalation, which i proved they had actually attempted to deescalate when they were trying to tell him it was only a beer. You also claim that the officer used a gun to deescalate your words:



“Using the threat of deadly force as a de-escalation tactic. Boy that's rich, even for you.”



Later on, you even say that this dude displayed no violence until his life was threatened by officer shithead and indicate that throwing the brick was justified self defense. Fucking lmfo



And probably one of my favorite completely retarded stances you had in this incident was that the police purposely “baited” Vargas into throwing the brick just so they could shoot him. Jesus Christ are you a fucking idiot. You are literally in love with criminals to such an extent that make up ludicrous explanations to protect them and put zero responsibility for their actions on the criminal while making up nefarious plans(wait, thought the cops didn’t make a plan) in order for the police to kill a man. My god you’re a crooked fuck







Again, they attempted to talk calmly to him and he ignored them and walked away still carrying the brick, so in all your genius, you bring up a language barrier. He may or may not speak Spanish or may or may not understand English. Because how could a non-English speak possibly understand that you have four police officers following you and speaking and then yelling to drop the brick. Damn language barrier that may or may not exist is responsible for him throwing the brick. In his limited capacity to understand English-anyone could have misunderstood “drop the brick or stop” as “I order you to throw that brick at my head” you say in two different posts that at no time do the officers attempt to speak Spanish to him. Perhaps they don’t speak Spanish, or they attempt but we don’t see it, or he speaks English and decided not to heed anything they said. You love policy so much, does this department require officers to be fluent in other languages? While it would be a good idea to know Spanish that close to the open, porous border-it’s probably not a requirement nor should it be. Tactically and for convenience and efficiency, I would want to learn Spanish and in the movie training day, Denzel says to new guy, Jake Hoyt, “how’s you’re Spanish” with Jake replying “mad

Y menos”(which means more or less or a little bit, and Denzel tells him to learn that shit because the criminals will be plotting stuff in Spanish. But once again, this America, where people born here have to cater to criminals that are probably here illegally and even if not, a lot of them speak Spanish. I speak a little, but the last time I had a legit conversation in Spanish was in 2000 when I was in the jungles of Nicaragua for a month studying monkeys, which was published in some journal.



Jesus, for all the insults you lob at people, you bend and twist so badly to make excuses and back the criminals that you’re going to end up with a seriously fuck-up back like me-however, mine was from all sorts of stuff-from sports like football and mma to injury from the many times I got hurt on duty in fights.



You go on for a while about the officers violating policy to have a plan. Ok, let’s just take out the part of the policy you quoted that says “when feasible” which means that the department understands that you don’t always have time to sit down over coffee to make a plan. What’s Spanish for “hey, I need you to stay right here while we make a plan on how to arrest you.” And once again, you have zero fucking proof that they didn’t formulate a plan, hence one of your many “violations of policy” has no basis in fact. Maybe they had talked on the radio, used hand signals, had worked together enough or handled similar situations to know what they were going to do, or maybe it wasn’t feasible to huddle up to make play calls.

 

[nhbbear]

Just as a guess, how much time did you spend posting on Sherdog on the taxpayers dime? How much time would you think is reasonable for public servants in your community to spend on internet message boards while on duty?

A 2nd volume? kio, I searched, can't find it. Link me up lol



Doesn't appear like your mental health can handle such a quick return to the WR.



Shut the hell up! When you weren't bragging about posting on taxpayer time, You were complaining about having to actually do your job while at work.





I'm not assuming anything. After accusing people itt of being to lazy to research, turns out it is you that is too damn lazy to look up a policy.




So none of those 600+ victims were memorialized in that City? That's not even close to reality.



What put the public at risk was an out of policy chase that reached speeds of 120mph and possibly higher. No chase = no crash = no innocent biker laying in the freeway to be stabbed. Obviously, once they are in that position they have to use deadly force to protect that poor biker (who is going to sue the fuck out of CHP and SCSD). That doesn't give the officers a free pass for violating policy which put them in this position.



You don't. That's how you can look at this shooting, the Vargas shooting in El Centro, and many others and say dumb shit like "The officers didn't follow policy or code, but it's still a good shoot."

It doesn't work like that in the real world Bird Brain.



Did he threaten to smash her head? Did she say that, or are you just 'pumping it up'? I thought she said something to the effect of 'he picked up a brick and is a threatening me, but he keeps walking away.' Per the timeline and map, wasn't she over 100 yds away from Vargas when she made the 2ND 911 call?




That's you being willing to excuse a public servant for not following policy and code that results in a routine interaction being needlessly escalated to a fatal OIS.



Did I say probably, or possibly? I moved this bullshit back to your bullshit thread that you ran from like a COWARD. I did that so you can go and fact chat what I actually said, and how you've twisted those words.



He threatened to kill her? He picked up a brick and continued walking away from her. There is a map and timeline of events



Be honest, and I know that's difficult for you, but the proof is itt. Did I say the brick wasn't a deadly weapon? Or did I say it was only deadly within a limited range?



Actually what happened was your cpu had a glitch, your dog ate your homework, and you ran from your own thread because it was jeopardizing your own mental health.



Nobody said the word murder. I said "he should face charges imo". I drew a very clear picture of how, when, and where Hirales specifically violated dept policy and California Code. You made a couple excuses about why you couldn't respond, then you logged off to protect your mental health. Now you are trying to play the victim in your grand return to the WR.




In what post did I say Hirales was guilty of Capital Murder? This "pumping it up" thing you do in your fictional stories; You also do it in discussion in order to validate your viewpoint. Did you even read the policy, code, sb's and such I posted? I'm guessing you did not. Do you even know what Senate Bills do? Any idea what the California Penal Code is?



Lol, I'm not presenting myself as anything other than what I am. A mostly retired fat ass watching a Fox chase a Bunny while my Dog decides which one she is going to eat.

Why would the doj investigate for three months? For some reason, they always spend months doing this shit. Personally, I can’t imagine it taking more than a few days, but they like to take their time to show they are being really thorough, especially when they are dealing with police shooting a minority. While shooting a white guy can be determined in three hours, policy probably dictates that you have to spend three to four months for a Hispanic male, six for a Hispanic female, eight for a black male, and 10 months for a black female-12 if she is trans. Obviously, I am joking, but at the same time, I absolutely am not joking. Doj spends much more time investigating the shootings of black people compared to white people because if they appear to not really investigate every detail over the shooting of a black suspect, cue the protests (likely already happening anyway because it was a cop that shot someone while there is zero outrage from most people when a black male is shot by another black male, but then, that happens so incredibly often in many, many cities that they are numb to it, very few give a single fuck about the life lost-even when it’s a child-that’s just a Tuesday in Philly or Chicago. There are very very rarely any if never community protests when it’s black/black violence, but no matter what the circumstances, after a police shooting, there will be protests because black lives only matter when it is a cop or a white male civilian doing the shooting.



You claimed I abandoned my own thread because I was a coward and couldn’t defend my position, which is obviously total bullshit-I am almost positive the day you posted that, I was in the emergency room for the second time in a week-check that, I just checked and it was that very day, so fuck off. You even said it again the very next day and said “nhb stay coward since you don’t show up for your own thread.”







Same thing with the pursuit. You said had the officers not chased him lives wouldn’t have put at risk, the motorcycle guy wouldn’t have been hit and then almost stabbed to death. Well, had your poor criminal victim not violated traffic laws, he wouldn’t have been pulled over. Had he not decided to flee in the vehicle at speeds reaching 120 and then came at the officers with a knife, forcing them to shoot, he would have been arrested without issue. Had he not gotten back up and try to plunge the knife into the biker’s chest, the cops wouldn’t have had to shoot him to save the biker’s life. But as always, you only have issues with the cops and support the criminals like the shitbag you are.

 

[Joshuaace]

Yeah, I was writing my response, and the screen was too small, so I cut and pasted in my notes app and was just getting ready to transfer it. I’m sure you will love it-probably all four parts of it

Dafuq are you talking about Mate? You blind also? Or just too damn stupid to figure out bbc?

There was a cunt a few months back, rob mafia, that actually did the same thing.



but I never reported him or anyone else in the last 18+ years.



And unlike you and many other pussies here (rob mafia, braklis-whom you remind me of so much, and heeto-another cockring) you don’t post or discuss anything personal because you’re afraid that someone will use it against you. I am an open book and there’s very little I wouldn’t share or admit to because I’m not a bitch and I am not ashamed of what I have done and the issues I face even though people like you will try to make fun of a person that admits they have depression/otsd



You pussy, you even have your profile set to private. Who the fuck does that? While maybe not quite the bitch move that is smashing that report button on your enemies (again, cunt extraordinaire)

I'm not sure what this has to do with me, unless..... I have reported one troll account for making death threats against me and me family. Right after an interaction with you iirc. Looks like you are close to confessing to being that troll account.


Pretty creepy that a grown ass man is concerned that my profile is private. What do you want to know you creepy fuck? I've shared plenty about myself over the years. Including surviving a lengthy session of CPR, systematic organ failure, and a 3 week long coma.

million people in the US and 970 million in developed counties that keep statistics on this issue, but the numbers are definitely much higher) suffer from depression, anxiety, ocd, or other mental illnesses. I can’t even begin to list all the terrible shit I have seen and have done in the line of duty. All you did by making those comments is show everyone what a trashbag of a human you are.

You didn't have much compassion for people who possibly had mental issues when they were gunned down by police outside of policy. But you, You want compassion and sympathy in the WR of a discussion board while simultaneously spewing insults . Sorry Bud, that's WEAKLING complex. I don't have kid gloves for ya. I will send you back to the ER for more meds and marijuana.

And then you have been trying to vilify me for posting on sherdog while working the front desk of an empty police station on midnight shift instead of watching tv or reading a book like everyone else does while on the front desk.

I don't care what everyone else did. What was the policy on using electronic devices for personal use while on duty? And how many of your tax dollars are you willing to pay someone else so that they can post stories on Sherdog?

And you and hereto were also trying to imply some sort of “stolen valor” because I said I gave my life for service or something.

Can't speak for him. I don't think you were a cop at all. If you were, you were a bad one for many reasons.

Obviously, I am typing this and not from the afterlife, what I meant was that I paid a heavy price for a career of service with multiple life altering injuries and mental health issues that you were happy to belittle me and many millions that suffer from depression or ptsd-again;

SOFT! Stop trying to play the victim and tough guy at the same time. If you are not in a place where you can handle being in the WR, then get the F' out of the WR.

And no, I didn’t read all the policies you posted because as I said before, I don’t care. And of course, you like to take that to mean that I don’t care about policy, which isn’t true and not what I said-just you playing twister again.

You claimed Vargas was guilty of Felony Assault for picking up the brick, but by your own admission, You didn't even read the Penal Code to see what elemnts of that crime the prosecutor would have to prove to secure a conviction. So if you were lazy and didn't read the policy or code on the links I provided. Then your dumb ass shouldn't have spoke about it. It's not felony assault per code with the information on the 911 call, not even close.



De-escalation isn't a try it once, check the box, and shoot obligation and if you had read AND comprehended the policy and code I linked, you would know this. Instead, you were too lazy, too stupid, or both.

brick throwing range, they wouldn’t have had to shoot him, so this is their fault?

They have a duty to formulate a less lethal plan with other responding Officers. Hirales went Rambo and jeopardized his own safety.....and then used his own idiot out of policy tactic to gun down Vargas. You having trouble seeing that through bacon grease goggles?

that in order to make this the cop’s fault for his decisions, you’re pouring through policy and penis code to avoid the criminal from taking responsibility for deciding to threaten a woman and attack a cop.

You cherry picked cases that had been discussed to death already on other platforms. Accused Sherbros of being too lazy to research.
Now that someone showed up willing to read AND able to comprehend policy/code/staute, you have a problem with that also. Some people just can't be happy. And some people are phony, like you

But since you wanted me to go back through the thread, let’s look at the mistakes. First, you claimed it a simple drunk in public call. Then you said hurr durr-especially hilarious because you’re the idiot that was

So your Gotcha moment is @Poon Goon month old sloppy seconds? I was just "pumping it down" to fit my narrative lmao. I tried downplaying a petty theft to an ordinance violation.

him sleep it of f.

The death threat with the brick? Do you even know the elements of Felony Assult in California? No, because you didn't read the fucking penal code, Bird Brain.

What a twat. But there was no excessive force when he already committed a felony by threatening the woman and then throwing the brick, which was deadly force committed against the officer.

I'm hearing it was the 2nd shot that was fatal. The one AFTER Vargas threw the brick. Thinking that the threat on the Woman was a provable felony from the known info is just you spewing shit. You don't even know the elements of felony assault in California. I didn't even nibble on the 2nd shot, it was on a lower branch, and it's obviously indefensible.

and also insist there was a dog

That's a flat out lie. Reality seems to have escaped you entirely at this point. Maybe it's the pills and marijuana you pansy ass.

and told me that to assume they didn’t have those things in them was me making the mistake. I can’t quite recall if you got that information from their website or where that assumption came from. Most officers have pepper spray, but against a brick, without cover to protect them from the brick, pepper spray is not a good option because it has less range than the brick. Your words “They almost certainly had every dept approved non lethal on hand except for MAYBE the Dog. And to assume there isn't a Dog at least en route to the scene also seems a bit far fetched (forgive me).” You don’t know any of that whatsoever and are basing your criticism on facts you don’t have and are working on assumptions, which is incredibly arrogant and ignorant.

You are a dumb lazy cunt. There are plenty of pictures of the 2 officers who have been identified. They both carry non lethal on their person. Not to mention at least 3 Cruisers, and the PD.

I have already addressed the lack of cover and different tactics, but just because we can sit here in the comfort of our homes and say “they should have done this or that” does not mean the option they chose at that time was the wrong one.

A man is dead because Hirales didn't follow policy. It will cost the city millions. He chose the wrong way.

Again, they attempted to talk calmly to him and he ignored them and walked away still carrying the brick, so in all your genius, you bring up a language barrier.

pointing out that Hirales may not speak English didn't require exceptional intelligence, it just required not being a stupid fuck. It was a Hispanic looking person 10 miles from the Mexico border in a town with a Spanish name. Damn, You are an idiot.

You claimed there was zero attempt at deescalation, which i proved they had actually attempted to deescalate when they were trying to tell him it was only a beer. You also claim that the officer used a gun to deescalate your words:

What you proved, is that you didn't read their policy or code so you don't have the proper foundation to even begin comprehending it. So therefore, you shouldn't speak on it since you were once again, too damn lazy to do the research even though I provided the links. The duty to de-escalate continues until Vargas, through his own actions, jeopardizes the safety of someone other than himself.

“Using the threat of deadly force as a de-escalation tactic. Boy th at's rich, even for you.”

That's what I said to you moron.

my favorite completely retarded stances you had in this incident was that the police purposely “baited” Vargas into throwing the brick just so they could shoot him.

Why else would you abandon your training and violate policy and code?

have time to sit down over coffee to make a plan. What’s Spanish for “hey, I need you to stay right here while we make a plan on how to arrest you.” And once again, you have zero fucking proof that they didn’t formulate a p lan, hence one of your many “violations of policy” has no basis in fact. Maybe they had talked on the radio, used hand signals, had worked together enough or handled similar situations to know what they were going to do, or maybe it wasn’t feasible to huddle up to make play calls.

I have no idea what the plan was. I know entering an unstable situation and placing his own safety in jeopardy was a bad plan by Hirales though, the end result was a fatal OIS that WILL cost the city millions, and should see him face criminal charges.

Why would the doj investigate for three months? For some reason, they always spend months doing this shit.

This is you once again proving you are a special brand of stupid. No one has an issue with the DOJ investigation taking 3 months. Taking 3 months for the department to release a brief oth is pretty shady though. The longer it takes to release that brief, the more they are trying to control a narrative. Simple as that. I've actually posted briefs itt by GRPD and LVPD that were posted within 72 hours of the OIS. In neither of those shootings did the suspect actually have a weapon in his hand when he was shot (the GRPD kid did the 1st time he was shot, not the 2nd). I called both of those shoots good. Why? Because the officers followed their policy, that's why. If you read your own thread, you'd know this, Bird Brain.

Oh wait, those were age restricted videos. You probably didn't see them, right? Tell us why that is. A friend of mine has actually sentenced some sex offenders to conditions that included not viewing any "mature" content on the web with their devices.

While shooting a white guy can be determined in three hours, policy probably dictates that you have to spend three to four months for a Hispanic male, six for a Hispanic female, eight for a black male, and 10 months for a black female-12 if she is trans. Obviously, I am joking, but at the same time, I absolutely am not joking.

Tell me you are a racist, without actually saying you are a racist.

You claimed I abandoned my own thread because I was a coward and couldn’t defend my position, which is obviously total bullshit-I am almost positive the day you posted that, I was in the emergency room for the second time in a week-check that, I just checked and it was that very day, so fuck off. You even said it again the very next day and said “nhb stay coward since you don’t show up for your own thread.”

You ran like pussy instead of replying to post #411. It's still there, but you are too lazy and too stupid to actually process the policy and code to even begin responding.

Same thing with the pursuit. You said had the officers not chased him lives wouldn’t have put at risk, the motorcycle guy wouldn’t have been hit and then almost stabbed to death.

Correct! What would have happened if they had followed their policy is unknown. What is known is 1 traffic offender is dead, and 1 complete innocent was seriously wounded because of the out of policy chase.

you only have issues with the cops and support the criminals like the shitbag you are.

Tell that to the innocent biker on the ground when he gets handed that 8 figure check. You readily excuse cops who violate policy; but I bet it sure pisses you off when your co-worker forgets to put extra salt on your bacon dbl cheesburger.

 

[nhbbear]

Dafuq are you talking about Mate? You blind also? Or just too damn stupid to figure out bbc?



I'm not sure what this has to do with me, unless..... I have reported one troll account for making death threats against me and me family. Right after an interaction with you iirc. Looks like you are close to confessing to being that troll account.


Pretty creepy that a grown ass man is concerned that my profile is private. What do you want to know you creepy fuck? I've shared plenty about myself over the years. Including surviving a lengthy session of CPR, systematic organ failure, and a 3 week long coma.



You didn't have much compassion for people who possibly had mental issues when they were gunned down by police outside of policy. But you, You want compassion and sympathy in the WR of a discussion board while simultaneously spewing insults . Sorry Bud, that's WEAKLING complex. I don't have kid gloves for ya. I will send you back to the ER for more meds and marijuana.



I don't care what everyone else did. What was the policy on using electronic devices for personal use while on duty? And how many of your tax dollars are you willing to pay someone else so that they can post stories on Sherdog?




Can't speak for him. I don't think you were a cop at all. If you were, you were a bad one for many reasons.



SOFT! Stop trying to play the victim and tough guy at the same time. If you are not in a place where you can handle being in the WR, then get the F' out of the WR.



You claimed Vargas was guilty of Felony Assault for picking up the brick, but by your own admission, You didn't even read the Penal Code to see what elemnts of that crime the prosecutor would have to prove to secure a conviction. So if you were lazy and didn't read the policy or code on the links I provided. Then your dumb ass shouldn't have spoke about it. It's not felony assault per code with the information on the 911 call, not even close.



De-escalation isn't a try it once, check the box, and shoot obligation and if you had read AND comprehended the policy and code I linked, you would know this. Instead, you were too lazy, too stupid, or both.



They have a duty to formulate a less lethal plan with other responding Officers. Hirales went Rambo and jeopardized his own safety.....and then used his own idiot out of policy tactic to gun down Vargas. You having trouble seeing that through bacon grease goggles?



You cherry picked cases that had been discussed to death already on other platforms. Accused Sherbros of being too lazy to research.
Now that someone showed up willing to read AND able to comprehend policy/code/staute, you have a problem with that also. Some people just can't be happy. And some people are phony, like you



So your Gotcha moment is @Poon Goon month old sloppy seconds? I was just "pumping it down" to fit my narrative lmao. I tried downplaying a petty theft to an ordinance violation.



The death threat with the brick? Do you even know the elements of Felony Assult in California? No, because you didn't read the fucking penal code, Bird Brain.



I'm hearing it was the 2nd shot that was fatal. The one AFTER Vargas threw the brick. Thinking that the threat on the Woman was a provable felony from the known info is just you spewing shit. You don't even know the elements of felony assault in California. I didn't even nibble on the 2nd shot, it was on a lower branch, and it's obviously indefensible.



That's a flat out lie. Reality seems to have escaped you entirely at this point. Maybe it's the pills and marijuana you pansy ass.




You are a dumb lazy cunt. There are plenty of pictures of the 2 officers who have been identified. They both carry non lethal on their person. Not to mention at least 3 Cruisers, and the PD.



A man is dead because Hirales didn't follow policy. It will cost the city millions. He chose the wrong way.



pointing out that Hirales may not speak English didn't require exceptional intelligence, it just required not being a stupid fuck. It was a Hispanic looking person 10 miles from the Mexico border in a town with a Spanish name. Damn, You are an idiot.



What you proved, is that you didn't read their policy or code so you don't have the proper foundation to even begin comprehending it. So therefore, you shouldn't speak on it since you were once again, too damn lazy to do the research even though I provided the links. The duty to de-escalate continues until Vargas, through his own actions, jeopardizes the safety of someone other than himself.



That's what I said to you moron.



Why else would you abandon your training and violate policy and code?



I have no idea what the plan was. I know entering an unstable situation and placing his own safety in jeopardy was a bad plan by Hirales though, the end result was a fatal OIS that WILL cost the city millions, and should see him face criminal charges.



This is you once again proving you are a special brand of stupid. No one has an issue with the DOJ investigation taking 3 months. Taking 3 months for the department to release a brief oth is pretty shady though. The longer it takes to release that brief, the more they are trying to control a narrative. Simple as that. I've actually posted briefs itt by GRPD and LVPD that were posted within 72 hours of the OIS. In neither of those shootings did the suspect actually have a weapon in his hand when he was shot (the GRPD kid did the 1st time he was shot, not the 2nd). I called both of those shoots good. Why? Because the officers followed their policy, that's why. If you read your own thread, you'd know this, Bird Brain.

Oh wait, those were age restricted videos. You probably didn't see them, right? Tell us why that is. A friend of mine has actually sentenced some sex offenders to conditions that included not viewing any "mature" content on the web with their devices.



Tell me you are a racist, without actually saying you are a racist.



You ran like pussy instead of replying to post #411. It's still there, but you are too lazy and too stupid to actually process the policy and code to even begin responding.



Correct! What would have happened if they had followed their policy is unknown. What is known is 1 traffic offender is dead, and 1 complete innocent was seriously wounded because of the out of policy chase.



Tell that to the innocent biker on the ground when he gets handed that 8 figure check. You readily excuse cops who violate policy; but I bet it sure pisses you off when your co-worker forgets to put extra salt on your bacon dbl cheesburger.

29. In this response, you made 29 insults, name calling sessions, multiple, flat out lies, and other childish reactions.

Yet, you make this post just before I got my post out. Yes, the screen to make a more involved reply than the typical 2 line response on this forum, was too small, so I took what I had, cut and pasted it into notes, and continued to write while going back and forth from notes to sherdog to respond to various parts of your post. I didn’t mean to post the empty response, but was not ready to post the actual response. But this was your response to that:

“You quoted me but forgot to call me names, make excuses, or mention dicks, cocks, or penises.”

And you post that, then make no less than 29 insults, including 2 additional comments about depression and ptsd while also saying this: “His view on the BOR's disgust me to my core, but I don't wish ill will on anyone. Hope TS is a'ight wherever he is.”

First, don’t know what you mean by “BORs” as I am not familiar with that acronym or might know it as something else, and second, you hope I’m “a’ight” yet, since I came back, you have done nothing but make fun of my physical and mental state atm-as if having constant pain and being out of work without pay from two ruptured discs wouldn’t put anyone in a depressed state. Seriously, what is wrong with you? Who actually does that besides that dude, rob mafia or braklis? I am not, not have I ever been suicidal, but that sounds like the stuff you see on social media where someone else is in the background or through messages yelling “do it, come on-kill yourself!” Again, making constant comments about depression, you’re a real class act.


Some of the accusations you make are laughable and easily proven false, such as accusing me of having a troll account and making death threats towards you and your family. I do not now, nor have I ever had a second account-just the one that I have used since 2005. I joined in 2003 to be able to check on the fight cards and status of pride events such as the middleweight GPs.

So, why don’t you name the poster that was making those threats? Often, when people are banned, they get an IP address ban. One of my good friends from sherdog that was a St Louis cop caught a permanent IP ban. I asked him one day why he hasn’t been back on and he told me that. Plus, he is frustrated that the same posters seemingly keep coming back as well as some mods having troll accounts. I don’t know if that is true or able to be proven, that some mods have troll accounts or whether the other mods. In almost 20 years here, I have gotten yellows twice. One in around 2014 and another one in 21 or 22.

So, I am actually surprised, or maybe not, that you are actually accusing me of a. Having a troll account and b. Making threats towards you or family. I don’t make threats. Period. And that is not in a “I only make promises….” Type of thing. I don’t care how much someone insults me, that is not my way. Clearly, you think very, very little of me and aren’t much above heeto, who accused me of being a dirty cop, murder, being forced to retire because of discipline issues, etc. I am sure it’s actually a trolling attempt, but I am not easily gotten to.

And again, with the “you were never a cop” garbage. Just like heeto, I believe this is your attempts at trolling yourself. Like it’s soooo difficult to become a cop in the US, especially, considering how very little you think of them. And to keep up that grift for 20 years?


And, I am actually sorry to hear that you had cpr and coma issue. I would never make fun of or make light of those issues or mental health issues, unlike you, and one would think that with the troubled youth experience you had as a youth, or as your experience as a defense attorney, that you wouldn’t stoop so low. Do your clients or employers know how you feel about that, make fun of that, and think so little people with depression and ptsd?

And when I say something about people who get shot by police, I don’t make fun of them or cheer their death. If you can prove otherwise, please do so. I always am very skeptical that the go to comment from family or legal for the family is “he was having a mental health crisis” when they attack police with a knife or have so many drugs in their system that that couldn’t possibly be the reason they were acting a certain way. The “mental health crisis” line seems to be more of an excuse for criminal or violent behavior.

Maybe I will get around to responding to the rest of the post, but not at the moment.

 

[Joshuaace]

I am sure it’s actually a trolling attempt, but I am not easily gotten to.

The very definition of gotten to is counting how many times you were insulted in a karate forum. "He called me dummy 7 times, said I could't read 4 times, and called me Bird Brain 17 times........."

You are ate up 'bro lmao

29. In this response, you made 29 insults, name calling sessions, multiple, flat out lies, and other childish reactions.

First, don’t know what you mean by “BORs” as I am not familiar with that acronym

You claim to have taken an Oath to uphold The Constitution Of The United States Of America. As such, You should have familiarized yourself with the Rights granted by the first 10 Amendments, also known as the Bill Of Rights. Within the context of the conversation, the fact that you and Google couldn't figure that out is telling.

I am not, not have I ever been suicidal, but that sounds like the stuff you see on social media where someone else is in the background or through messages yelling “do it, come on-kill yourself!” Again, making constant comments about depression, you’re a real class act.

You've went here without solicitation twice now. If it's bait, I'm not interested. If it's a call for help, please contact the crisis hotline @ 988

So, why don’t you name the poster that was making those threats?

How is it relevant? And there were actually 2 accounts that got banned. 1 I reported, and presumably when his account got banned, he spawned a new account and continued with the filth. iirc a mod banned that 2nd account before I even saw the garbage.

I'm not accusing you of being that poster, because I have no evidence other that circumstance. Which is you bringing up mashing the report button and having posters banned, and doing so completely out of the blue.

considering how very little you think of them. And to keep up that grift for 20 years?

Fantasy prone personality disorder. Wouldn't be surprised to find out you aren't equally vested in other fantasies.

I always am very skeptical that the go to comment from family or legal for the family is “he was having a mental health crisis” when they attack police with a knife or have so many drugs in their system that that couldn’t possibly be the reason they were acting a certain way. The “mental health crisis” line seems to be more of an excuse for criminal or violent behavior.

But old fat white guys like yourself would never use mental health as an excuse, right?

 

[Joshuaace]

@Poon Goon

This one is the same Sacremento SD that chased and shot the guy trying to stab the biker. Far too complex for the feeble mind of @nhbbear, but it is his thread and not age restricted.

Thoughts? (Shit brief by me)

 

[nhbbear]

The very definition of gotten to is counting how many times you were insulted in a karate forum. "He called me dummy 7 times, said I could't read 4 times, and called me Bird Brain 17 times........."

You are ate up 'bro lmao





You claim to have taken an Oath to uphold The Constitution Of The United States Of America. As such, You should have familiarized yourself with the Rights granted by the first 10 Amendments, also known as the Bill Of Rights. Within the context of the conversation, the fact that you and Google couldn't figure that out is telling.



You've went here without solicitation twice now. If it's bait, I'm not interested. If it's a call for help, please contact the crisis hotline @ 988




How is it relevant? And there were actually 2 accounts that got banned. 1 I reported, and presumably when his account got banned, he spawned a new account and continued with the filth. iirc a mod banned that 2nd account before I even saw the garbage.

I'm not accusing you of being that poster, because I have no evidence other that circumstance. Which is you bringing up mashing the report button and having posters banned, and doing so completely out of the blue.



Fantasy prone personality disorder. Wouldn't be surprised to find out you aren't equally vested in other fantasies.



But old fat white guys like yourself would never use mental health as an excuse, right?

First, I’m not that old(46) and certainly not fat and I have posted my pic plenty of times to prove that. Have you had the guts to post your pic? I mean, you said you had a big gut, so I guess I should ask if you had the balls to do that since it is clear you have the guts. So you have a lot of nerve to call someone else fat, especially considering you said that you were fat yourself.

And you didn’t accuse me of being the poster that threatened you or accuse me of having a troll account? Really? “It Looks like you are close to confessing to being that troll account” And earlier, I said you posted like braklis because you really seem to have a serious grudge against me that started a long time ago, like he did, but I did not accuse you of being him. He had a heavy finger when it came to the report button. My mentioning that was to point out that he was a bitch-so it wasn’t “out of the blue.” I mentioned the issues I had with the other posters as well, so it fit in there. Also, there’s no way i would believe this is your first account and that you’re not a banned poster. But go ahead and ask a mod to see if they can check my IP address or something like that

The only reason I mentioned suicide is because it’s people like you, making fun of depression and other mental illness that pushes some people to do that. Again, choosing that as a means to put someone down is really low and shows your moral fiber . Only a cunt does something like that.

The 29 time this is because after the accidental post, you asked if I was going to respond with a bunch of insults. They have gone back and forth, but you ask that and then respond with one long string of them. I have been called every name in the book, so your childish shit doesn’t bother me, I am just pointing out the hypocrisy.

BORs is not something I would have immediately associated with bill of rights. Of course I am more than familiar with the constitution and bill of rights-not because of my time as a leo, but because that was where my concentration was during my masters. But it all my studies and my career, I have never seen it referenced as such.


You’re basically a sad, pathetic creature that runs his mouth online because he would have his ample ass handed to him irl. It’s absolutely pointless to argue with someone like that. I would block you, but that’s as much of a bitch move as reporting someone or making your account private.