Metal/Rock/Industrial The metal thread \m/

Bos Docken said:
And now for something completely different... Not sure it even belongs in this thread.

My favorite Opeth song, ever.

Again, hard for me to realize I've been enjoying this track for almost 25 years.

Music is timeless. But we are not. Such is life.....

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My GF's fav band. Oh no, they belong here alright :)
 
This album is nuts! Seeing the Elephant by The Offering


lots of genre bending going on very Nu Metalish at it's core with lots of proggy elements too.
 
Fits in well in the Sherdog forum, no ??!!


New album dropping soon ...
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BEATDOWNS said:
New Unearth album absolutely rips!! check it out boyz..
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When the metalcore movement started in the early 2000s, I tried to be understanding of it, but frankly a lot of it was meh to me.

Then in 2004 I heard this song by Unearth, and I finally got it. I was too old for that scene already, but I could appreciate where it was coming from and why the kids were running around windmilling and karate kicking in the mosh pit.



Fast forward almost 20 years later (!!), Unearth are still doing what they do. And I am glad for it. I feel like there is no point in calling it "metalcore" anymore, it's just metal with its own loyal community.

 
Bos Docken said:
When the metalcore movement started in the early 2000s, I tried to be understanding of it, but frankly a lot of it was meh to me.

Then in 2004 I heard this song by Unearth, and I finally got it. I was too old for that scene already, but I could appreciate where it was coming from and why the kids were running around windmilling and karate kicking in the mosh pit.



Fast forward almost 20 years later (!!), Unearth are still doing what they do. And I am glad for it. I feel like there is no point in calling it "metalcore" anymore, it's just metal with its own loyal community.

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I normally don't dig core bands, but these guys are amazing
 
Bos Docken said:
When the metalcore movement started in the early 2000s
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What?
as early as the mid 80's hardcore bands started introducing metal elements into their songs (crossover thrash) but soon after that in the early 90s some bands started what was then called new school hardcore which was basically an early version of metalcore. I know this very well since this was about the time I got into that scene and I loved some of these bands: Integrity (arguably the first real metalcore band), Snapcase, Earth crisis, deadguy... but right after that, there was a new wave of bands who were 100% metalcore (Morning again, Converge, Cave in, Overcast...) I mean, they're mostly forgotten now, but at the time there was a lot of buzz with this band called Day of suffering; they only released one album in january 97, but those guys played full fledged 100% metalcore:

This one by Morning Again was BIG in Europe since at the time Goodlife recordings was probably the best known hardcore label in the continent (other than the ripoffs at Lost & found records). Released in 96, but compiling material self released earlier than that:

Hell, I saw Morning again live in 97, Caliban in 98 and they were already playing metalcore, I'd say by 96-97 the style was already pretty well-stablished (and not known as new school hc anymore) worldwide. We had dozens of bands here in Europe (Mörser, Acme, a ton of bands in Belgium like Congress...)
Maybe it got mainstream along those early 2000s years, idk, soon lost interest on it since the bands that came on by then sucked incredibly (as they all still do now; they all sound like mediocre melodeath bands Unearth included, lol), but it started way earlier than that!!
 
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Busgosu said:
What?
as early as the mid 80's hardcore bands started introducing metal elements into their songs (crossover thrash) but soon after that in the early 90s some bands started what was then called new school hardcore which was basically an early version of metalcore. I know this very well since this was about the time I got into that scene and I loved some of these bands: Integrity (arguably the first real metalcore band), Snapcase, Earth crisis, deadguy... but right after that, there was a new wave of bands who were 100% metalcore (Morning again, Converge, Cave in, Overcast...) I mean, they're mostly forgotten now, but at the time there was a lot of buzz with this band called Day of suffering; they only released one album in january 97, but those guys played full fledged 100% metalcore:

This one by Morning Again was BIG in Europe since at the time Goodlife recordings was probably the best known hardcore label (other than the ripoffs at Lost & found records). Released in 96, but compiling material self released earlier than that:

Hell, I saw Morning again live in 97, Caliban in 98 and they were already playing metalcore, I'd say by 96-97 the style was already pretty well-stablished (and not known as new school hc anymore) worldwide. We had dozens of bands here in Europe (Mörser, Acme, a ton of bands in Belgium like Congress...)
Maybe it got mainstream along those early 2000s years, idk, soon lost interest on it since the bands that came on by then sucked incredibly (as they all still do now; they all sound like mediocre melodeath bands Unearth included, lol), but it started way earlier than that!!
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This guy is everything wrong with metal. Elitist prick.

Hey I know that band down the street that plays in their Moms garage and you don't they are Brootalll!!! blah blah blah
 
Busgosu said:
What?
as early as the mid 80's hardcore bands started introducing metal elements into their songs (crossover thrash) but soon after that in the early 90s some bands started what was then called new school hardcore which was basically an early version of metalcore. I know this very well since this was about the time I got into that scene and I loved some of these bands: Integrity (arguably the first real metalcore band), Snapcase, Earth crisis, deadguy... but right after that, there was a new wave of bands who were 100% metalcore (Morning again, Converge, Cave in, Overcast...) I mean, they're mostly forgotten now, but at the time there was a lot of buzz with this band called Day of suffering; they only released one album in january 97, but those guys played full fledged 100% metalcore:

This one by Morning Again was BIG in Europe since at the time Goodlife recordings was probably the best known hardcore label (other than the ripoffs at Lost & found records). Released in 96, but compiling material self released earlier than that:

Hell, I saw Morning again live in 97, Caliban in 98 and they were already playing metalcore, I'd say by 96-97 the style was already pretty well-stablished (and not known as new school hc anymore) worldwide. We had dozens of bands here in Europe (Mörser, Acme, a ton of bands in Belgium like Congress...)
Maybe it got mainstream along those early 2000s years, idk, soon lost interest on it since the bands that came on by then sucked incredibly (as they all still do now; they all sound like mediocre melodeath bands Unearth included, lol), but it started way earlier than that!!
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Thanks for the history lesson. I'm an old thrash guy, so the metalcore genre was just not my scene and I am ignorant about a lot of it compared to metal.

I was aware of crossover thrash, like Suicidal Tendencies, D.R.I., Stormtroopers of Death. It was fun stuff live, but on record I always found it boring and simplistic. Lacking the songwriting, great riffs and guitar work of the big thrash bands like Anthrax, Megadeth and Metallica. But I'm a guitar player so musicianship has always been important to me.

I only became aware of metalcore in the early 2000s when bands like Hatebreed and Unearth were playing the same concerts as metal bands. I saw God Forbid open for Arch Enemy in 2002 and thought "Hey these guys can really play"

My personal feeling is there is too much labelling and gatekeeping among metal fans and the various subgenres. It's all metal, really. No one has to like everything, but I recognize and appreciate the community
 
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BEATDOWNS said:
This guy is everything wrong with metal. Elitist prick.

Hey I know that band down the street that plays in their Moms garage and you don't they are Brootalll!!! blah blah blah
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Lol it's all right, I'm used to it. I know a black metal guy who is so Tr00 Br00tal Kvlt that he calls Cradle of Filth and Dimmu Borgir the "Britney Spears and Christina Aguilera" of black metal <Lmaoo>
 
Bos Docken said:
Thanks for the history lesson. I'm an old thrash guy, so the metalcore genre was just not my scene and I am ignorant about a lot of it compared to metal.

I was aware of crossover thrash, like Suicidal Tendencies, D.R.I., Stormtroopers of Death. It was fun stuff live, but on record I always found it boring and simplistic. Lacking the songwriting, great riffs and guitar work of the big thrash bands like Anthrax, Megadeth and Metallica. But I'm a guitar player so musicianship has always been important to me.

I only became aware of metalcore in the early 2000s when bands like Hatebreed and Unearth were playing the same concerts as metal bands. I saw God Forbid open for Arch Enemy in 2002 and thought "Hey these guys can really play"

My personal feeling is there is too much labelling and gatekeeping among metal fans and the various subgenres. It's all metal, really. No one has to like everything, but I recognize and appreciate the community
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No worries, I'm old too and metalcore wasn't my scene either. Only the earlier stuff in the early 90s when I was still in my teens or bands like Sheer Terror cause they sound like Celtic Frost and not some generic run of the mill swedish melodeath band copycats.
I'm a huge music nerd, but I couldn't care less about the musicianship in bands. In 90% of the cases less is more.
Agreed with the labelling (Not entirely with the "all metal" part, but won't go into pointless arguing), but it was not a case of fitting bands into labels, I just don't like to see some take credit for what others done. Whoever was the pioneer deserves the recognition and if I can do something, even if it is something as ridiculuos as just pointing it out in a karate forum, then I will. At least thanks for not being all mad or butthurt about it like the other fucking mong.
 
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Bos Docken said:
Lol it's all right, I'm used to it. I know a black metal guy who is so Tr00 Br00tal Kvlt that he calls Cradle of Filth and Dimmu Borgir the "Britney Spears and Christina Aguilera" of black metal <Lmaoo>
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funny thing is he is right about that!
 
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