The majority of Merab's 7 Takedowns were BS

[HHJ]

Still the most frustrated I've seen someone look in a fight I think.

Yep.

Remember how Spivac ended up in his fight face down and just gave up?

There were times where in this fight Khabib had him like that and Abel had to take a deep breath and then try to keep himself from ending up like that. Like you can see his resolve get weaker and weaker.

he never really truly gave up, but he was super frustrated and tried to appeal to the ref.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

Yep.

Remember how Spivac ended up in his fight face down and just gave up?

There were times where in this fight Khabib had him like that and Abel had to take a deep breath and then try to keep himself from ending up like that. Like you can see his resolve get weaker and weaker.

he never really truly gave up, but he was super frustrated and tried to appeal to the ref.

Probably the most get ups in UFC history. He was working to get up like his ability to send pictures of his junk to underage girls depended on it.

 

[HHJ]

Probably the most get ups in UFC history. He was working to get up like his ability to send pictures of his junk to underage girls depended on it.

Well. The way it went was probably worse than if he just got choked quickly.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

Well. The way it went was probably worse than if he just got choked quickly.

I don't mind it tbh, if I'm looking at it from the perspective of betting on him in future or as a member of the UFC brass I'm at least seeing a dude who isn't giving up even if he has basically no chance.

 

[HHJ]

I don't mind it tbh, if I'm looking at it from the perspective of betting on him in future or as a member of the UFC brass I'm at least seeing a dude who isn't giving up even if he has basically no chance.

I just mean it probably was worse to go through. Because Khabib probably could have submitted him, but just didnt. WHen he put Khabib on his back, he immediatley got triangled, and only the bell saved him.

It was like he was a grappling dummy for Khabib to practice on.

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

The point is if taking somebody down that instantly gets up and have 0 control time scores points … defending takedowns sure should too

No it shouldn't. The victory that you get doing that is not being on the ground, which will cumulatively lose you points just being in that position. You prevent your opponent from scoring

 

[Tweak896]

I don't care if they don't count for anything, it's the moral victory to take down a Dagastani like Umar. Kind of like how Jones didn't do much to DC but the fact he took down an Olympic wrestler should sway some judges. How many took Umar down before?

However it's interesting if you only count control time and strikes, then Umar actually has a case for winning first 3 rounds.

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

nobody disagrees. The point of the TD was to get umar tired. not damage him or get points.

BUT judges look at body language. umar looked like he didn't want to be there in round 4 and 5

This is just it. It's easy for people to understand how "effective striking" breaks down into the "immediate impact" vs the "cumulative." That means a head kick that rocks a guy gets scored more than a hook to the body, cuz it nearly ended the fight, vs a guy who will be sucking wind near the end cuz of body shots. And both of those score points, while blocking and dodging don't, because they do not contribute to winning

But it's the same for effective grappling. A submission attempt, like a head kick, is something that can be immediately fight ending. Takedowns and top control are cumulative cuz it actively drains the opponent and has them sucking wind. And defending takedowns is like blocking and dodging. They do not score. The only benefit should be slowing your opponents scoring.

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

You and me might not score it, but if the attacker isn't landing anything or they're both landing the same amount, judges absolutely score takedown defense.

If they do, they're wrong. The scoring criteria is specifically guided towards not scoring things that aren't offense. That was the whole *"impact" means "damage"* conversation that happened recently that got Dominick Cruz confused on what "damage" means in scoring, so he pops a boner every time someone's cut.

And personally, no, I haven't been seeing that. Largely, the guy attempting takedowns repeatedly wins, even if unsuccessful on most. The only times they don't is when they are wholly unsuccessful and getting outstruck

 

[Dionysian]

Those counted? I thought for sure it required 2 seconds of control on the ground this entire time to count?

 

[RemyR]

I swear anytime I want to see the dumbest fucking takes possible all I have to do is visit this forum

 

[xhaydenx]

If they do, they're wrong. The scoring criteria is specifically guided towards not scoring things that aren't offense. That was the whole *"impact" means "damage"* conversation that happened recently that got Dominick Cruz confused on what "damage" means in scoring, so he pops a boner every time someone's cut.

And personally, no, I haven't been seeing that. Largely, the guy attempting takedowns repeatedly wins, even if unsuccessful on most. The only times they don't is when they are wholly unsuccessful and getting outstruck

Oh they're definitely wrong haha. I don't think most judges know the scoring criteria.

 

[NicholasJBasile]

Getting takedowns I feel is generally a misleading statistic and that top position time is more telling; if you allow someone to get up a bunch of times and take them down repeatedly, it is impressive but not as impressive as someone that gets a single takedown and keeps their opponent down.

 

[chardog]

Merab lobbies some punches with the takedowns and some of them landed.

it aint pretty, but they clearly worked in wilting his opponent.

 

[GreatSaintGuillotine]

Him and Umar had about the same control time irrc. Umar did a great job defending but just couldn't set the pace. Merab is a cardio machine

 

[sdpdude9]

I will say I find it a bit odd there was so much trashing of Merab winning by taking guys down and doing nothing. But now he’s getting a ton of credit. Probably has to do with the opponent. The sherdog zeitgeist not very consistent.

 

[sdpdude9]

Getting takedowns I feel is generally a misleading statistic and that top position time is more telling; if you allow someone to get up a bunch of times and take them down repeatedly, it is impressive but not as impressive as someone that gets a single takedown and keeps their opponent down.

I actually feel the same way. Kind of like most strikes landed, just means you couldn’t knock out your opponent. Not really the most flattering stats in my opinion. 1 takedown with 4 minutes control time is better than 10 takedowns with 15 seconds of control.

 

[Slapjit]

TS was you been consider this striking defense yyds? 223



Why not you just ran away and also defend all takedown? No waste energies on attack and score many kudos from MMA judge. Easy path for victory IMHO 666

 

[188912345]

I will say I find it a bit odd there was so much trashing of Merab winning by taking guys down and doing nothing. But now he’s getting a ton of credit. Probably has to do with the opponent. The sherdog zeitgeist not very consistent.

I think he was more exciting in this fight, there wasn't that much grinding against the cage like vs Aldo. High output and landed some decent shots.

Also, I get it how it can be frustrating to root for a fighter who loses to a wrestler who doesn't really have top control or subs. I feel the same way when I watch a fighter I like get smothered by a wrestler.

Both fighters know the rules and how judges perceive the fight, though, so it's up to his opponent to do something to stop him from implementing his game plan. He's just refusing to give his opponent any space or time to catch his breath, must be hell to fight someone like that.

 

[sdpdude9]

I think he was more exciting in this fight, there wasn't that much grinding against the cage like vs Aldo. High output and landed some decent shots.

Also, I get it how it can be frustrating to root for a fighter who loses to a wrestler who doesn't really have top control or subs. I feel the same way when I watch a fighter I like get smothered by a wrestler.

Both fighters know the rules and how judges perceive the fight, though, so it's up to his opponent to do something to stop him from implementing his game plan. He's just refusing to give his opponent any space or time to catch his breath, must be hell to fight someone like that.

I actually have given Merab props for a long time and was impressed with him. But I recall him getting trashed for a similar performance against Yan. People even calling for defending takedowns to be scored. But now that it’s against a fighter many on this forum don’t like he’s a dominant monster embarrassing his opponent. Just pointing out the inconsistency in the majority opinion.