Crime Woman in Minneapolis Executed by ICE Officers; White House Reflexively Hand Waves Murder

[Hog-train]

Did they identify themselves? Did they have law enforcement markings?

Well it was already known they were ICE. Bystanders have said she was trying to interrupt an ICE operation initially.

 

[KnightTemplar]

Where's @nhbbear when you need him?

Last I heard, he'd signed up with ICE and...

Oh, bugger.

 

[UberHere]

To sum this one up for the smooth brains ITT

Motor vehicle=deadly weapon
Driving at someone=imminently threatens to inflict great bodily harm/death
Human reaction time is not instantaneous, the decision to shoot was made at the moment the officer was in danger
This situation has been argued in court before and the officers have never been charged.

Yeah these type of shootings hit the news every year and the outcome is always the same. No charges. If your car is surrounded by cops, better put that shit in park or you’re dead. People seem to think it’s a game when the cops have their guns pointed at you.

 

[Limbo Pete]

That does look like it's diagonally through the front. Might give him some hope of this would ever go to trial. Doesn't look like the path of the vehicle would hit him which doesn't help him but definitely more reasonable that from the side. I don't know if the guy yanking at the door is acting lawfully, if not, I assume that convolutes things further

It's because he's right next to the car. She starts to drive away and he steeps to the side as he shoots. At no point was his life even remotely in danger, all she was trying to do was drive away, and he shot her because he didn't want her to leave.
I don't know if anybody else remembers, but some years back an armed group of chuds occupied (and wrecked) a wildlife refuge here in Oregon. One of the guys eventually tried to flee, and when the cops cornered him down the road, he tried to pull a gun. I distinctly recall people at the time arguing that guy _shouldn't_ have been killed, it was excessive force, etc etc. Point is, there, as now, the issue for reactionary, mouth breathing, power entitled bullies isn't what happens, but who it happens to. "She wouldn't have died if she wasn't anti-ICE and tried to block a road." yeah let's just unpack that one lol.

 

[Unknown Pleasures]

Captain Hindsight

Since he was in the direct path of the vehicle, it was his call to make in the heat of the moment.


Her actions were stupid, wrong....and criminal.
*Blocking the road was preventing the officers from performing their duties, which was the point.
*Disobeying direct orders from an officer.
*Attempt to flee the scene.

This isn't the cleanest shoot ever, but prosecutors typically prefer to take cases when they're confident they'll win, and the issue is making a convincing case to 12 jurors that must agree to declare the defendant guilty even after the defense's arguments and final argument, and obviously they'd claim self-defense.

Direct path is very disputable and what a criminal case would hinge upon. If the vehicle rolled into him or he was on the hood then yeah. It definitely doesn't look like the driver was attempting to hit him but instead just turn down the street. Might not even known he was there and distracted by the other agent. Gonna be another banana republic case with people losing it like Rittenhouse (which was legit self defense IMO). This I personally don't think is self defense at this juncture.

 

[UberHere]

The officer that shot the driver wasn’t the officer at the DS window, it was another officer that was in front of the vehicle when the driver hit the gas trying to flee.
Watch it in slow-mo.

Shot 1 was fired when the vehicle was accelerating towards the officer, shots 2 and 3 were fired as the officer moved out of the path of the vehicle.


FWIW…looking at this objectively-

I personally wouldn’t have shot her even though this is most likely legally justified. I’m not LE but armed most of the time in public yet don’t have it in me to pull the trigger on someone unless there’s just no other way. Just GTFO the way and let the troops go chase her dumb ass down. She won’t get far, hoping she doesn’t run anybody else over in the panic flee.

This doofus definitely had it coming, but she should be in a jail cell right now and not the morgue IMO.

Police chases put more lives in danger though. Just pick her up at her house later.

 

[Xanzito]

Waiting for Sherdog's resident LoLyer to give his L' take and be proved wrong again like in the Judge Dugan's case.

 

[Unknown Pleasures]

It's because he's right next to the car. She starts to drive away and he steeps to the side as he shoots. At no point was his life even remotely in danger, all she was trying to do was drive away, and he shot her because he didn't want her to leave.
I don't know if anybody else remembers, but some years back an armed group of chuds occupied (and wrecked) a wildlife refuge here in Oregon. One of the guys eventually tried to flee, and when the cops cornered him down the road, he tried to pull a gun. I distinctly recall people at the time arguing that guy _shouldn't_ have been killed, it was excessive force, etc etc. Point is, there, as now, the issue for reactionary, mouth breathing, power entitled bullies isn't what happens, but who it happens to. "She wouldn't have died if she wasn't anti-ICE and tried to block a road." yeah let's just unpack that one lol.

Agree. I'm not a legal expert, but I suspect a proper judge would instruct a jury to ignore lot of the circumstances being raised as irrelevant because they are. It comes down to was it legit self defense with how the vehicle was moving given speed and angle and the answer for me right now is no, it's not legit self defense. He's shooting near point blank at an angle at a vehicle sharply veering away from him.

Edit . I'd be curious as to the training these guys have. This is something I'd expect to see out of Brazil, not USA

 

[Limbo Pete]

Agree. I'm not a legal expert, but I suspect a proper judge would instruct a jury to ignore lot of the circumstances being raised as irrelevant because they are. It comes down to was it legit self defense with how the vehicle was moving given speed and angle and the answer for me right now is no, it's not legit self defense. He's shooting near point blank at an angle at a vehicle sharply veering away from him.

And it goes right by him. There's no universe in which he was actually in any kind of danger. And they know, they just don't care. It's not about what happened, it's about who. But all they need is one chud on the jury, of course.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

Well......

"ICE lays out strategy for recruitment ads targeting NASCAR, UFC fans"

ICE lays out strategy for recruitment ads targeting NASCAR, UFC fans

U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement officials are planning to spend $100M over a one-year period on ads targeting people who have attended UFC fights or NASCAR races.

www.sportsbusinessjournal.com

And we shouldn't believe Trump is trying to build a force of loyalists? "Let's go, Brandon!" or "Just bleed" chants automatically qualify you. And LOL at $100 million a year advertising from a roughly $25 billion budget while cutting social programs for our own citizens.

 

[b34stmode]

Watch how all the people who clutched their pearls over jokes at the expense of people like Charlie Kirk and Ashli Babbit engage in the character assassination of this woman at the behest of the regime.

Also this. Just look at all the posters who are saying this was justified, mocking the woman for "play stupid games win stupid prizes!!!11" and are calling her a domestic terrorist. These are the same people who cried, literally bawled like actual bitches when anyone said anything negative about Charlie Kirk and did their best to get as many people fired as possible for having their opinion on who Kirk was as a person. Its fucking crazy. Peak clown world.

 

[Squarechoke]

Captain Hindsight

Since he was in the direct path of the vehicle, it was his call to make in the heat of the moment.


Her actions were stupid, wrong....and criminal.
*Blocking the road was preventing the officers from performing their duties, which was the point.
*Disobeying direct orders from an officer.
*Attempt to flee the scene.

This isn't the cleanest shoot ever, but prosecutors typically prefer to take cases when they're confident they'll win, and the issue is making a convincing case to 12 jurors that must agree to declare the defendant guilty even after the defense's arguments and final argument, and obviously they'd claim self-defense.

It's not hindsight since I know from experience that you focus on protecting yourself in such a situation, and shooting someone from the side of the vehicle is not that.

There's no reason to shoot even if he had to step to the side to prevent the idiot from hitting him. Even if he shot from the place where he was still in danger it's not how you protect yourself since that doesn't stop the car, and no one's (at least no one sane) instinct is to shoot rather than just get out of the way. And as said, that's by no means life and death. He'd get a painful hit at most at that speed.

What happens in court is not what I base my view of what's right or wrong on (even less so what is ruled hypothetically). Otherwise I'd have to support a lot of violence, rape, etc, that people get freed on.

 

[tastaylvr]

Imagine terrorising communities masked in unmarked vehicles then shocked when people get nervous around you..

Then we got certain clowns posting every page defending this stupid shit just because they live lonely racist lives

 

[kflo]

Can't dispute that though a lawyer will say the shooter didn't know that at the split second of time

The shooter had enough time to draw their weapon in what started as a non-violent situation. That’s not “split second”. He had time to draw his weapon. His FIRST instinct wasn’t to get out of imminent risk of death’s way. It was to draw his weapon.

 

[MichiganMMA1978]

So basically Americans lack the grey matter to cope with civil disputes that every civ on earth deals with from Europe to China. I know of no other civilized country where actions like this are normalised. Not even Nazi Germany was dumb enough to approach people like this. It's not even suppresionalist more like handing guns out to cave men.

While I absolutely do not agree with what happened here, you might have just posted the absolute dumbest sentence in sherdog history. That’s quite the achievement sherbro…

 

[Unknown Pleasures]

And it goes right by him. There's no universe in which he was actually in any kind of danger. And they know, they just don't care. It's not about what happened, it's about who. But all they need is one chud on the jury, of course.

I watched the video and legit thought it was totally from the side, but the shooting started earlier. I think I read four shots fired. Probably the windshield is mush at this point since the vehicle would up smashing into other vehicles but would be interesting to see where on the windshield those bullet holes are.

Given that it's near impossible to trust the cast of characters involved I wouldn't be surprised if folks busted up the windshield if it was still somewhat intact lol.

 

[Unknown Pleasures]

The shooter had enough time to draw their weapon in what started as a non-violent situation. That’s not “split second”. He had time to draw his weapon. His FIRST instinct wasn’t to get out of imminent risk of death’s way. It was to draw his weapon.

Yeah maybe I'm phone owned and can't see that well on the exact timings.

 

[kflo]

Yeah maybe I'm phone owned and can't see that well on the exact timings.

What do you mean?

 

[UberHere]

Imagine terrorising communities masked in unmarked vehicles then shocked when people get nervous around you..

Then we got certain clowns posting every page defending this stupid shit just because they live lonely racist lives

Yeah that would be imagined because that’s not what happened. This lady was following them around all day and knew they were ICE

 

[Limbo Pete]

Yeah maybe I'm phone owned and can't see that well on the exact timings.

As soon as the wheel cranks, he starts to draw his weapon and move to the side. She would have driven right by without incident if he hadn't shot her in the face. Then this would have been at very worst a minor traffic violation nobody cares about.