The majority of Merab's 7 Takedowns were BS

[contrail]

He put his opponent in a compromised, purely defensive position repeatedly & consistently which is a key part of his offense. I'm not a fan of his style (primarily the complete lack of damage inflicted on the ground and non-existent sub threat) but you can't move goalposts like that for one fighter without causing a mess of scoring variables and vagueness to a sport which already struggles with consistent scoring criteria.

 

[Ares Black]

You’re more comfortable with saying landing something 20% of the time is somehow positive?

Yeah

Merab won the fight with them

 

[Ares Black]

Nah, Umar did better than anyone has done against Merab in years. He'll be a champion still.

Yeah he has years left to achieve his potential, which is huge

 

[Lycandroid]

Merab's grappling is not very good at all. He can't even hold weak grapplers on the ground for more than 30 seconds. However, his ability to knock you to the ground and exhaust you is God Tier. He uses his strengths and wins fights.

since when are takedowns not grappling ?

 

[Khaosan]

Cope

 

[kingmob6]

since when are takedowns not grappling ?

grappling is an encompassing term that includes all elements. Takedowns are just one component. What kind of newb question is that

 

[Lycandroid]

grappling is an encompassing term that includes all elements. Takedowns are just one component. What kind of newb question is that

you said he had god tier takedowns but not every good grappling or did you mean something else ?

 

[Pitier of Fools]

But he quite literally took him down......multiple times.

Attempting to take down your opponent (and succeeding) is offense.

We do not score defense.

This. You get points for landing punches, not slipping punches.

 

[kingmob6]

you said he had god tier takedowns but not every good grappling or did you mean something else ?

bro, with all due respect, you know exactly what I meant. Takedowns is just one of the elements of grappling. Wrestling, control, takedowns, clinch work, trips, submissions, ground and pound is all grappling. Merab is excellent at one component. The rest of his grappling resume is not developed well.

 

[Hymen Crusher]

I'm not sure what's the deal he lost clearly. If he didn't like getting taken down he shouldn't have let him

 

[AbominableJoman]

Consume massive amounts of copium and weep!

 

[humdizzle]

nobody disagrees. The point of the TD was to get umar tired. not damage him or get points.

BUT judges look at body language. umar looked like he didn't want to be there in round 4 and 5

 

[ncboy]

It really shouldnt be considered a takedown unless you are able to hold some sort of control on the ground of your oponent, the majority of the ""taakedowns" were instant popups. Not arguing that Umar won. Just a bit ridiculous to have 7 takedowns with like 5 seconds total control time. Theres no way that defending 10 takedowns in a round should be erased just because you were on athe ground for one split moment in time

Of course it is a takedown, but it doesn't impact control time. Can't see how Umar could win on any scorecard as he did nothing except fight off his back foot trying to prevent takedowns.

 

[Lycandroid]

bro, with all due respect, you know exactly what I meant. Takedowns is just one of the elements of grappling. Wrestling, control, takedowns, clinch work, trips, submissions, ground and pound is all grappling. Merab is excellent at one component. The rest of his grappling resume is not developed well.

my apologies, english is my second so sometimes I get it backwards.

 

[Pancake Sprawl]

who cares? is them not counting 7 of his takedowns going to give Umar energy back? because that's why Merab won the fight. not because he's a better grappler, not because he's a better striker, not because Umar broke his hand or they counted takedowns for Merab that you think weren't takedowns. Umar lost because HE GOT TIRED, there is no excuse that you can say that puts the oxygen back into Umar's lungs.

the only thing Umar can do is go back to the drawing board and either drastically increase his cardio somehow, or try to finish Merab before he gasses again. whether or not takedowns were counted has nothing to do with why Umar lost. focus on what's important that you can change instead of on the past that you cannot change.

 

[HuskySamoan]

Umar should ditch the dagis and train some TDD with Aldo. Should find someone else for his cardio, tho.

He did a lot better than Aldo did, he was actually to create separation and effectively strike. Aldo got pressed against the cage and cried to the ref to help him all night.

 

[kingmob6]

my apologies, english is my second so sometimes I get it backwards.

its all good brother. all the best.

 

[RockyLockridge]

Bro he totally lifted his hand after, fucking CLOWNED Umar, what a chad, that's better than top control or sub attempts or any damage whatsoever!

agreed. lets him know who the better fighter is, Leaves no doubt.

 

[Pancake Sprawl]

Umar should ditch the dagis and train some TDD with Aldo. Should find someone else for his cardio, tho.

i said it a million times on here for every MMA fighter but the Dagis should get with the Gary Marinovich while he's still alive. they have proven S&C training methods that completely transform athletes. RDA and Werdum's career resurgence were big thanks to their program. some of BJ Penn's best performances were under their training also.

 

[ejazahmednit]

A takedown is a takedown
And just as you dont score evading punches you dont score defending tds
Could Merab have controlled Umar, sure, but he chose not to and still won