The Greatness of a Champion in Correlation with Activity

['Rocky']

Alex Pereira is quickly on the rise when it comes to discussing the greatest fighters of all time and it isn't just how great he looks at LHW and the way he dominates his opponents, it's the activity. It's immeasurably more difficult to maintain dominance when you take on any opponent in front of you and fight at the rate that Pereira is fighting. Things like this should contribute far more in terms of a fighter's greatness as opposed to biding time, picking opponents and fighting once or twice a year. Pereira is arguably the greatest LHW of all time for me.

 

[2004 account]

Not hating but Alex Perreira's strength of schedule makes Jon Jones' look cowardly and part time fighterish

I like his frequency, reminds of pride and the good ol days of a fight every three months

 

[muaytao]

Not hating but Alex Perreira's strength of schedule makes Jon Jones' look cowardly and part time fighterish

dude wasted his prime like henry trying to get $$$

 

[Hog-train]

I would love to see Poatan knock Jones head off.

 

[Tweak896]

Not hating but Alex Perreira's strength of schedule makes Jon Jones' look cowardly and part time fighterish

Jones was plenty active when he started with the LHW killers. It wasn't until later.

 

[rjmbrd]

Jones was plenty active when he started with the LHW killers. It wasn't until later.

Jones won the belt against Rua in 2011. This is HILARIOUSLY untrue.

2011 - 3 fights (won the belt)
2012 - 2 fights
2013 - 2 fights
2014 - 1 fight
2015 - 1 fight
2016 - 1 fight
2017 - 1 fight
2018 - 1 fight
2019 - 2 fights
2020 - 1 fight
2021 - 0
2022 - 0
2023 - 1
2024 - 0


Alex won the belt against Izzy in 2022

2022 - 3 fights
2023 - 3 fights
2024 - 3 fights


Alex fought ~30% more in the three years including winning his belt compared to Jon. Its not even comparable, and he might fight again in December.

 

[Tweak896]

Jones won the belt against Rua in 2011. This is HILARIOUSLY untrue.

2011 - 3 fights (won the belt)
2012 - 2 fights
2013 - 2 fights
2014 - 1 fight
2015 - 1 fight
2016 - 1 fight
2017 - 1 fight
2018 - 1 fight
2019 - 2 fights
2020 - 1 fight
2021 - 0
2022 - 0
2023 - 1
2024 - 0


Alex won the belt against Izzy in 2022

2022 - 3 fights
2023 - 3 fights
2024 - 3 fights


Alex fought ~30% more in the three years including winning his belt compared to Jon. Its not even comparable, and he might fight again in December.

Damn well I can't argue facts. I will say that it felt like he went through the division pretty quickly at the time. Pereira is going warp speed in comparison.

One last argument I'll make is that LHW was the premiere division so Jones matchups felt like top guys. Shogun, Machida, Rampage, Rashad in a row was just mind blowing.

 

[rjmbrd]

Damn well I can't argue facts. I will say that it felt like he went through the division pretty quickly at the time. Pereira is going warp speed in comparison.

One last argument I'll make is that LHW was the premiere division so Jones matchups felt like top guys. Shogun, Machida, Rampage, Rashad in a row was just mind blowing.

Rashad and Machida were both headed for middleweight, and frankly Rua was a chubby middleweight by modern size for that matter.

Jon was cartoonishly bigger than these guys.

The first guy Jon fought his size was Gus, and he got beat up and went to a controversial decision. Things change over time, and someone Jon's size making 205 made the division change with him over time.

 

[tritestill]

Ank won't be able to fight in December, not sure who Alex could fight then. Tom vs. Alex makes sense for the belt and nothing less. If they give someone else an undeserved LHW title fight, looks bogus. Alex needs Ank on his resume or it looks suspect, despite all he's done now.

 

[Thepaintbucket]

For sure. It's super important to stay active. At the same time I think a lot of past champions had to down shift a gear once they came in contact with a grueling outcome. It's a lot easier when you are able to knock people's heads clean off. You don't incur the same mental fatigue imo

 

[Tweak896]

Rashad and Machida were both headed for middleweight, and frankly Rua was a chubby middleweight by modern size for that matter.

Jon was cartoonishly bigger than these guys.

The first guy Jon fought his size was Gus, and he got beat up and went to a controversial decision. Things change over time, and someone Jon's size making 205 made the division change with him over time.

Still no one was talking about anyone moving to mw except for Machida, but with Anderson reigning they weren't going to do that. Jones was the guy who came in and showed how small the weight class was. But at the time you had guys like Rashad beating 6'4 Griffin so it's not like people had the same mentality about size now. I think the skill carried fighters further where size didn't matter. People were pulling armbars off their back all the time and sweeps you never see anymore. Jones basically forced the division down with his frame.

 

['Rocky']

Jones won the belt against Rua in 2011. This is HILARIOUSLY untrue.

2011 - 3 fights (won the belt)
2012 - 2 fights
2013 - 2 fights
2014 - 1 fight
2015 - 1 fight
2016 - 1 fight
2017 - 1 fight
2018 - 1 fight
2019 - 2 fights
2020 - 1 fight
2021 - 0
2022 - 0
2023 - 1
2024 - 0


Alex won the belt against Izzy in 2022

2022 - 3 fights
2023 - 3 fights
2024 - 3 fights


Alex fought ~30% more in the three years including winning his belt compared to Jon. Its not even comparable, and he might fight again in December.

Alex has fought 9 times since 2022.
Jon has fought 9 times since 2014.

Wow.

 

[goOb]

Alex Pereira is quickly on the rise when it comes to discussing the greatest fighters of all time and it isn't just how great he looks at LHW and the way he dominates his opponents, it's the activity. It's immeasurably more difficult to maintain dominance when you take on any opponent in front of you and fight at the rate that Pereira is fighting. Things like this should contribute far more in terms of a fighter's greatness as opposed to biding time, picking opponents and fighting once or twice a year. Pereira is arguably the greatest LHW of all time for me.

It’s the kick boxer in him. He could fight again in December,

 

[Mick Dojang]

Poatan definitely making Jones look bad at this point

I get Poatan wanting to spam title defences in a short time before Father Time catches up with him, it makes complete sense and makes me respect him.

Jones looks like he's just holding up the belt by not doing anything. For a guy with an arguable GOAT case he's really cashing in his legacy by just vanishing for years

 

['Rocky']

It’s the kick boxer in him. He could fight again in December,

Wouldn't surprise me if he wanted to drop down to middleweight again to stay active. The most surprising thing would be if he could even make the drop.

 

[Goutfather]

Ank won't be able to fight in December, not sure who Alex could fight then. Tom vs. Alex makes sense for the belt and nothing less. If they give someone else an undeserved LHW title fight, looks bogus. Alex needs Ank on his resume or it looks suspect, despite all he's done now.

why do people say this? ank has a 1-fight win streak, which is his only victory in over 2 years. couldn’t beat jan, and overall just isn’t all that compelling a matchup. obviously he’s a good fighter, but let’s not pretend like alex’s legitimacy depends on beating ank.

 

[tritestill]

why do people say this? ank has a 1-fight win streak, which is his only victory in over 2 years. couldn’t beat jan, and overall just isn’t all that compelling a matchup. obviously he’s a good fighter, but let’s not pretend like alex’s legitimacy depends on beating ank.

Who else is there at LHW? The draw and NC are there, but he hasn't lost in years. That's why.

 

[Goutfather]

Who else is there at LHW? The draw and NC are there, but he hasn't lost in years. That's why.

that’s great, but as of now it’s not really a fight people are too curious about. alex may eventually fight him, but even if he never does, i don’t think too many people would miss it.