Law The DOGE JIG is almost up

[avenue94]

I don't know why people think there's no fraud and corruption in the federal government. I know firsthand, but local government.

My nephew works for the city. He does irrigation for parks and he uses city money to buy pavers, irrgation systems for his side jobs. and he works side jobs while on the city clock

Who is saying there's no fraud or corruption in government?

Also strange how you haven't reported your cousin for clear malfeasance. It's like the sherdoggers who insisted that voting fraud is endemic because their kid voted 5 times.

 

[BFoe]

I don't know why people think there's no fraud and corruption in the federal government. I know firsthand, but local government.

My nephew works for the city. He does irrigation for parks and he uses city money to buy pavers, irrgation systems for his side jobs. and he works side jobs while on the city clock

No one on the Left says that, at all.

I don’t believe DOGE has found any fraud at all, and I think “waste” they’ve found is minimal in the grand scheme of things.
Furthermore, I don’t even believe that’s what they’re trying to do. Actually eliminating government waste has never been the goal, that’s just the cover story/talking point they give you guys to regurgitate.

We’ve told you repeatedly where the real waste and corruption is, but you don’t seem interested.

 

[F1980]

Who is saying there's no fraud or corruption in government?

Also strange how you haven't reported your cousin for clear malfeasance. It's like the sherdoggers who insisted that voting fraud is endemic because their kid voted 5 times.

It's not just my cousin. Local government is infested with fraud. Most cops for instance abuse the shit out of "overtime." The only people I can report it t maybe is the local news. Reporting my nephew to his boss wont do shit as he's probably doing some type abuse of funds or kickbacks.

 

[F1980]

No one on the Left says that, at all.

I don’t believe DOGE has found any fraud at all, and I think “waste” they’ve found is minimal in the grand scheme of things.
Furthermore, I don’t even believe that’s what they’re trying to do. Actually eliminating government waste has never been the goal, that’s just the cover story/talking point they give you guys to regurgitate.

We’ve told you repeatedly where the real waste and corruption is, but you don’t seem interested.

I guarantee you if we leave DOGE alone and they cut a whole bunch of money from the overall budget, the negative impact overall on society will be extremely minimal. The impact of the average person's day to day life will be insignificant, if any impact at all.

 

[GreatSaintGuillotine]

You should absolutely have to justify all these sweeping cuts. And if you can't, these people need to be rehired or compensated. We don't need to blindly shoot into the dark. We need detailed analysis of what is going wrong in the government so we can fix or replace problem areas.

 

[Andy Capp]

imagine if they just posted everything they have found online or something.

Imagine if they hadn't been shown to be lying over and over.

 

[avenue94]

I guarantee you if we leave DOGE alone and they cut a whole bunch of money from the overall budget, the negative impact overall on society will be extremely minimal. The impact of the average person's day to day life will be insignificant, if any impact at all.

How would cutting a trillion or 2 trillion not have an impact on the average American?

It's not just my cousin. Local government is infested with fraud. Most cops for instance abuse the shit out of "overtime." The only people I can report it t maybe is the local news. Reporting my nephew to his boss wont do shit as he's probably doing some type abuse of funds or kickbacks.

Well if it's not worth weeding out corruption, then why are we even bothering with DOGE? Your logic is silly.

Most local governments have auditors or departments that oversee workers. You're just making excuses.

 

[BFoe]

I guarantee you if we leave DOGE alone and they cut a whole bunch of money from the overall budget, the negative impact overall on society will be extremely minimal. The impact of the average person's day to day life will be insignificant, if any impact at all.

I don’t know how you could say that. We’ve told you guys from the beginning that there was no way to achieve DOGE’s 2 trillion dollar goal by cutting unless there were cuts to Spcial Security, Medicare, and Medicaid. And that’s exactly what they’re lining up to do, and that absolutely affects tons of average people—and will affect more in the future.

 

[F1980]

How would cutting a trillion or 2 trillion not have an impact on the average American?

Well if it's not worth weeding out corruption, then why are we even bothering with DOGE? Your logic is silly.

Most local governments have auditors or departments that oversee workers. You're just making excuses.

I don’t know how you could say that. We’ve told you guys from the beginning that there was no way to achieve DOGE’s 2 trillion dollar goal by cutting unless there were cuts to Spcial Security, Medicare, and Medicaid. And that’s exactly what they’re lining up to do, and that absolutely affects tons of average people—and will affect more in the future.

I'm not saying you guys are wrong, but we will see in 4 years. Let it play out. If it's as bad as you say it is, then it'll be good news for your party as the Republicans will never win again if DOGE is going to be as disastrous as you make it out to be.

As for me, and the recent CNN polling in which over 50% of Americans approve of DOGE, we are optimistic and overall, it will be a positive impact for our country.

I am 60% confident that this will put us in the right direction.

 

[ChosenOne]

Leftists desperate to keep the grift going.
Don't think it will work out for them.

I think you got that backwards.

It is Magats who want to keep the Elon grift going.

His non stop lies about what he has cut and how much, when in actuality shim simply giving back all the government welfare his companies have got, would provide multiples more money than he will ever manage to cut here. And that is not even speaking to the huge sums of money his companies are still yet to get, including the massive SpaceX contract he is trying to use his inside position to steal from another company that was awarded it.

 

[ChosenOne]

imagine if they just posted everything they lied about having found online or something.

Fixed your post.

 

[Stoic1]

If DOGE fails this country will fail.

Being $37T in debt and having politicians without the will to fix it will crash America. We voted in a team of outsiders to expose the dirty underbelly of this creature and it seems like half the country is rooting for its failure because this is an ugly job.

The statist machine has a lot of people programmed well.

 

[avenue94]

I'm not saying you guys are wrong, but we will see in 4 years. Let it play out. If it's as bad as you say it is, then it'll be good news for your party as the Republicans will never win again if DOGE is going to be as disastrous as you make it out to be.

Trump won despite being of abhorrent moral character and attempting to undemocratically stay in power despite a clear election loss.

And yet the GOP flocked to him again. Demonstratably terrible leadership wasn't enough to turn away his cult members and a weak party leadership, why would it be enough in this case?

As for me, and the recent CNN polling in which over 50% of Americans approve of DOGE, we are optimistic and overall, it will be a positive impact for our country.

Most Americans also think foreign aid is a huge part of the budget. They're pretty fucking clueless when it comes to governance, in part because the GOP has consistently lied to them.

'm not saying you guys are wrong, but we will see in 4 years. Let it play out.

Let it play out is awful strategy, whether in business or public policy. The bar for DOGE just keeps sinking. First it was Elon will bring his business acumen, yet we're left with idk maybe it work maybe it doesn't.

 

[avenue94]

If DOGE fails this country will fail.

Being $37T in debt and having politicians without the will to fix it will crash America. We voted in a team of outsiders to expose the dirty underbelly of this creature and it seems like half the country is rooting for its failure because this is an ugly job.

The statist machine has a lot of people programmed well.

Doge hasn't exposed anything Congress didn't know already. Are GOP congress members too fucking dumb to read the GAO reports that routinely land on their desk?

And remind me again, why is the GOP proposing to increase the deficit massively.

 

[wlu.29]

I don't know why people think there's no fraud and corruption in the federal government. I know firsthand, but local government.

My nephew works for the city. He does irrigation for parks and he uses city money to buy pavers, irrgation systems for his side jobs. and he works side jobs while on the city clock

Yes there is fraud at all levels in public and private sector

To actually do a good job, you need people with training and competency and time to conduct these audits

Random programmers and miscellaneous aren't qualified to do so

I'm all for getting government more efficient, but musk and team are disingenuous about massive wide scale nefarious fraud vs the random fraud that's inherent in all business and organization

 

[Andy Capp]

I think you got that backwards.

It is Magats who want to keep the Elon grift going.

His non stop lies about what he has cut and how much, when in actuality shim simply giving back all the government welfare his companies have got, would provide multiples more money than he will ever manage to cut here. And that is not even speaking to the huge sums of money his companies are still yet to get, including the massive SpaceX contract he is trying to use his inside position to steal from another company that was awarded it.

I think you're feeding a shitty-arsed troll who doesn't give the slightest fuck about getting it right.

 

[Thepaintbucket]

I'm sure Musk will find some *stuff* but nothing as sinister as he is making it out to be. Most likely just poor management with a sprinkle of questionable funds distribution.

 

[Siver!]

Imagine any mentally competent individual not minding if some random fly by night billionaire suit can just come along and NOPE your job in a completely arbitrary fashion.

Turkeys.
Christmas.

 

[wlu.29]

If DOGE fails this country will fail.

Being $37T in debt and having politicians without the will to fix it will crash America. We voted in a team of outsiders to expose the dirty underbelly of this creature and it seems like half the country is rooting for its failure because this is an ugly job.

The statist machine has a lot of people programmed well.

How much of the 37 trillion debt do you think is due to fraud?

Policy decisions =/= fraud

I've actually done forensic accounting in the past, I was part of a team that was able to trace money from a bank that flowed to terrorist groups

It takes training, competencies and time.

Randoms aren't capable in a month, even if there was fraud. Debt is not necessarily a bad thing, depending on an entity's ability to service that debt.

 

[PBAC]

Not sure why this is controversial or a problem.

If the cuts are really to where they claim, they should be able to demonstrate all of it.

If its all there as he said, he will come out looking way better - he should be all for it.

lirerally everything he has announced has been verifiably false. He is either lying or completely incapable of reading the data he's getting. I have no fucking doubt the gov overspends a lot but surely he can get something right.