Law The DOGE JIG is almost up

[BFoe]

"We cut fat and they cut muscle" doesn't mean they did it through congess or that it was fundamentally different than DOGE.

Well you’d have to read more than the headline to get those other pieces of info.

i could post more sources laying out how Clinton’s initiative was different—and far more successful—than DOGE, but you don’t want to learn, you won’t read those either. Which is odd, because if you sincerely want to reduce waste, make government more efficient, reduce government, and still have a gangbusters economy, there’s a whole blueprint for it that we laid down that Trump and Musk refuse to follow.

It’s almost like they have a different goal altogether…

 

[Andy Capp]

Other than that; I guess I'm just happy that I'm only taking stupid pills instead of being a racist.

You're suggesting someone here shooting down your faux reasonable bullshit is racist. Who is it?

 

[PainIsLIfe]

It’s interesting that you ask that question and not questions like “How did Clinton do it without tanking the economy,” or “How did Clinton do it without getting sued six ways from Sunday,” or things like that.

The answer to your question is about 500K jobs were eliminated, thousands of pages of regulations to make government actually be more efficient, and taxpayers were saved about 136 billion dollars in 1990s money—so more than DOGE has done in today’s money, and that was at a time when total spending was 1.7 trillion instead of 6.5 trillion, and the national debt was about 5.5 trillion instead of 36 trillion.
—And on top of that, Trump and Musk’s policies took a strong economy to the brink of recession in just a couple of months, whereas Clinton had inherited a recession which he got us out of while accomplishing these things.

Clinton’s initiative actually did things through Congress the legal and constitutional way, was targeted, gradual, and didn’t torpedo shit we actually need—unlike the scam that is DOGE.

How Clinton's "reinventing government" compares to DOGE's approach: "We cut fat and they cut muscle"

The "reinventing government" program cut over 480,000 federal jobs and thousands of regulations. The woman who ran the program says any similarities to DOGE end there.

www.cbsnews.com

Hmm it srems everything Trump does is totally unpessadented and illegal:

A few weeks into his presidency in February 1993, Clinton issued an executive order telling each government department or agency with more than 100 employees to cut at least 4 percent of its civilian positions over three years through attrition or “early out programmes”.

Weiterleitungshinweis

 

[PainIsLIfe]

You're suggesting someone here shooting down your faux reasonable bullshit is racist. Who is it?

I'm suggesting you guys have gone from conservative are racist to conservative are taking stupid pills.

 

[Andy Capp]

I'm suggesting you guys have gone from conservative are racist to conservative are taking stupid pills.

Why not both? Until I recognized that you're in every single thread that's premised on negative criticism of Musk and Trump downplaying everything, I was trying to keep it relatively cordial. I see now that it's not pills. You're a paid shill or really fucking stupid. Which is it?

Want to tell us again that Musk's gesture wasn't a Nazi salute? Or how Trump's incompetent appointees leaking classified info wasn't a big deal? Or how Musk's business dealings aren't shady? Or how DOGE is definitely not costing the US government more than any demonstrable savings while totally not breaking the law the entire time?

Every fucking thread. And it's the same excuse every time: oooooh, how was I supposed to know about those things being true before I said they weren't?

 

[BFoe]

Hmm it srems everything Trump does is totally unpessadented and illegal:

A few weeks into his presidency in February 1993, Clinton issued an executive order telling each government department or agency with more than 100 employees to cut at least 4 percent of its civilian positions over three years through attrition or “early out programmes”.

Weiterleitungshinweis

Why did you stop the quote there? Your article clearly says:


“A few weeks into his presidency in February 1993, Clinton issued an executive order telling each government department or agency with more than 100 employees to cut at least 4 percent of its civilian positions over three years through attrition or “early out programmes.”

Congress paved the way for buyouts. In March 1994, Clinton signed HR 3345, the Federal Workforce Restructuring Act of 1994. The legislation passed by wide, bipartisan margins: 391-17 in the House and 99-1 in the Senate.

The legislation authorised buyouts of up to $25,000 for selected groups of employees in the executive and judicial branches except employees of the Department of Defense, Central Intelligence Agency or the General Accounting Office (now called the Government Accountability Office). The law set an April 1, 1995, deadline.


JFC, it’s like you guys don’t even try anymore.
On top of this, Clinton largely had to deal with a Republican controlled Congress that didn’t much like him—a far cry from Trump’s scenario where his party controls both houses and can barely contain their desire to slob his knob constantly. And he still can’t be bothered to do things legally or constitutionally.

 

[James Bomb]

Are you going to answer the question?

No one was in court claiming Clinton couldn't cut federal jobs or agencies.

400k jobs cut. And the only difference was democrats claim that Clinton wasn't just cutting jobs but also trying to make the govt more efficient.

He offered people early retirement and didn’t backfill attrition.

He also worked with Republicans instead of constantly threatening them. Couldn’t say the same thing the other way around.

 

[PainIsLIfe]

Why not both? Until I recognized that you're in every single thread that's premised on negative criticism of Musk and Trump downplaying everything, I was trying to keep it relatively cordial. I see now that it's not pills. You're a paid shill or really fucking stupid. Which is it?

Want to tell us again that Musk's gesture wasn't a Nazi salute? Or how Trump's incompetent appointees leaking classified info wasn't a big deal? Or how Musk's business dealings aren't shady? Or how DOGE is definitely not costing the US government more than any demonstrable savings while totally not breaking the law the entire time?

Every fucking thread. And it's the same excuse every time: oooooh, how was I supposed to know about those things being true before I said they weren't?

Aren't you the moron that said I was taking L's in a thread for 2 days that I had just started posting in?? And you have a post somewhere of me defending Musk's hand gesture? Nah, you're just talking shit.

I said Musk's investors weren't complaining about xAI buying out X, and that you guys had a weird obsession with "he's going broke because Tesla stock is nearly the same price as it was when he put it as collateral for X. It's ok - you rooted against Trump for 9 years, I guess it's Musk's turn.

I also don't recall saying DOGE was or wasn't costing the govt money - only that we didn't have all this gnashing of teeth when Clinton cut jobs. But please explain what law DOGE is breaking.....

I stand by the fact that Trump's appointees screwed the pooch by being on Signal, but it really wasn't a huge deal. Some people should be fired (maybe all of them), but I still contend pilots were in no more danger than any other mission they run. And FFS, if MSNBC wasn't even mentioning that Houthis were clearly mentioned in the chats then why would I assume they were?

 

[PainIsLIfe]

Why did you stop the quote there? Your article clearly says:


“A few weeks into his presidency in February 1993, Clinton issued an executive order telling each government department or agency with more than 100 employees to cut at least 4 percent of its civilian positions over three years through attrition or “early out programmes.”

Congress paved the way for buyouts. In March 1994, Clinton signed HR 3345, the Federal Workforce Restructuring Act of 1994. The legislation passed by wide, bipartisan margins: 391-17 in the House and 99-1 in the Senate.

The legislation authorised buyouts of up to $25,000 for selected groups of employees in the executive and judicial branches except employees of the Department of Defense, Central Intelligence Agency or the General Accounting Office (now called the Government Accountability Office). The law set an April 1, 1995, deadline.


JFC, it’s like you guys don’t even try anymore.
On top of this, Clinton largely had to deal with a Republican controlled Congress that didn’t much like him—a far cry from Trump’s scenario where his party controls both houses and can barely contain their desire to slob his knob constantly. And he still can’t be bothered to do things legally or constitutionally.

So Clinton issued an executive order almost a year before Congress pass HR3345.

Dems are just pissed that we're finding out where all this borrowed Chinese money is going.

 

[PainIsLIfe]

He offered people early retirement and didn’t backfill attrition.

He also worked with Republicans instead of constantly threatening them. Couldn’t say the same thing the other way around.

Trump offered early retirement and doesn't plan to backfill.

 

[James Bomb]

Trump offered early retirement and doesn't plan to backfill.

Come on, quit playing stupid word games. It’s not cute.

 

[AmonTobin]

Now We Know Why Elon Musk’s DOGE Seized That Independent Nonprofit​

The Department of Government Efficiency is trying to claim the multimillion-dollar real estate assets of the U.S. Institute of Peace.​

https://newrepublic.com/post/193424/elon-musk-doge-usip-nonprofit-seize-building

DOGE Is Trying to Gift Itself a $500 Million Building, Court Filings Show​

The documents reveal a DOGE affiliate is attempting to transfer the headquarters of an independent think tank, the United States Institute of Peace, to the government at no cost.
https://www.wired.com/story/doge-takes-control-usip-office-building/

Federal Judge Allows DOGE to Take Over $500 Million Office Building for Free​

It’s the culmination of a weeks-long standoff between Elon Musk’s DOGE team and the United States Institute of Peace.
https://www.wired.com/story/judge-approves-doge-usip-office-building/

 

[AmonTobin]

Musk’s Doge to fire all local workers and US diplomats from USAID, sources say​

Unofficial Trump adviser’s cost-cutting team to finalize shuttering the foreign aid agency on which millions depend
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/apr/01/musk-doge-usaid-firings

"The former officials and source familiar with the situation said on condition of anonymity that USAID’s human resources office told regional bureaus in a conference call that layoff notices were going to all of the more than 10,000 locally hired foreign nationals, effective in August.

Notices also will be sent to US diplomats and civil servants assigned to work abroad for what has been the leading US foreign aid provider for more than 60 years, they said.

Trump has claimed without evidence that the agency was rife with fraud and run by “radical left lunatics”, while Musk falsely accused it of being a “criminal” organization."

 

[AmonTobin]

Massive layoffs begin at top US health agency​

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c209j2j4nxlo​

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Mass layoffs are underway at the nation’s public health agencies​

https://apnews.com/article/health-h...uring-rfk-jr-ec4d7731695e4204970c7eab953b2289

"The cuts include researchers, scientists, doctors, support staff and senior leaders, leaving the federal government without many of the key experts who have long guided U.S. decisions on medical research, drug approvals and other issues."​

DOGE Moves to Gut CDC Work on Gun Injuries, Sexual Assault, Opioid Overdose Data, and More​

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2025/04/rfk-jr-cdc-layoffs-doge-musk/

Widespread firings start at federal health agencies including many in leadership​

https://www.npr.org/sections/shots-health-news/2025/04/01/g-s1-57485/hhs-fda-layoffs-doge-cdc-nih

Cuts to NIH, CDC, HHS, FDA​

Cuts at agencies serving the disabled, elderly and low-income households​

"The Administration for Community Living, which coordinates federal policy on aging and disability, was gutted – 40% of staff there lost their jobs, according to Alison Barkoff, the former head of the agency who says she learned this by talking to multiple members of her former staff. The ACL funds programs that run senior centers and distributes 216 million meals a year to older and disabled people.

"The programs that ACL implements control the lives of literally tens of millions of older adults, people with disabilities and their families and caregivers," says Barkoff, who currently serves as a law professor with George Washington University's Milken Institute School of Public Health. "There's no way to have these RIFs and not impact the programs and the people who rely on them."

 

[Mr Holmes]

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haven't seen jack sewage post much since usaid got rekt
the reddit class is in shambles

Did his think tank funding go poof?

 

[Andy Capp]

Aren't you the moron that said I was taking L's in a thread for 2 days that I had just started posting in?? And you have a post somewhere of me defending Musk's hand gesture? Nah, you're just talking shit.

I said Musk's investors weren't complaining about xAI buying out X, and that you guys had a weird obsession with "he's going broke because Tesla stock is nearly the same price as it was when he put it as collateral for X. It's ok - you rooted against Trump for 9 years, I guess it's Musk's turn.

I also don't recall saying DOGE was or wasn't costing the govt money - only that we didn't have all this gnashing of teeth when Clinton cut jobs. But please explain what law DOGE is breaking.....

I stand by the fact that Trump's appointees screwed the pooch by being on Signal, but it really wasn't a huge deal. Some people should be fired (maybe all of them), but I still contend pilots were in no more danger than any other mission they run. And FFS, if MSNBC wasn't even mentioning that Houthis were clearly mentioned in the chats then why would I assume they were?

 

[deviake]

Mine.

It fits in pocket, and has all kinds of extras.

Found mine. Hilariously, it's made by the Bill of Rights Institute. A coworker gave this to me during Brovid lol.

 

[MeatheadMike]

So Clinton issued an executive order almost a year before Congress pass HR3345.

Dems are just pissed that we're finding out where all this borrowed Chinese money is going.

Ultimately the proof is in the pudding. Clinton turned a $290B deficit in 1992 to a $236B surplus when he left office in 2000.

If you think what Trump/Elon are doing now is similar, then do you think we can expect a similar result when Trump he leaves office?

 

[HereticBD]

Ultimately the proof is in the pudding. Clinton turned a $290B deficit in 1992 to a $236B surplus when he left office in 2000.

If you think what Trump/Elon are doing now is similar, then do you think we can expect a similar result when Trump he leaves office?

It's certainly something to wait for and judge after four years, and not three months.

 

[Rational Poster]

Aren't you the moron that said I was taking L's in a thread for 2 days that I had just started posting in?? And you have a post somewhere of me defending Musk's hand gesture? Nah, you're just talking shit.

I said Musk's investors weren't complaining about xAI buying out X, and that you guys had a weird obsession with "he's going broke because Tesla stock is nearly the same price as it was when he put it as collateral for X. It's ok - you rooted against Trump for 9 years, I guess it's Musk's turn.

I also don't recall saying DOGE was or wasn't costing the govt money - only that we didn't have all this gnashing of teeth when Clinton cut jobs. But please explain what law DOGE is breaking.....

I stand by the fact that Trump's appointees screwed the pooch by being on Signal, but it really wasn't a huge deal. Some people should be fired (maybe all of them), but I still contend pilots were in no more danger than any other mission they run. And FFS, if MSNBC wasn't even mentioning that Houthis were clearly mentioned in the chats then why would I assume they were?

You're still being intentionally dishonest.

The review process alone for Clinton's cuts took longer than Trump has been in office. His EOs were directives to begin the process to review and recommend cuts which were then proposed to Congress. They weren't immediate. The workforce reduction took place over years, not weeks. The buyout plan funding was approved by Congress and signed into law.

The law being broke is the Constitution. The President has no authority over budget items already signed into law.