Crime Texas: Two fat hillbillies kill a Father over garbage

[YoungBoyd]

Subhumans

 

[spamking]

Not the sort of story or thread which dispels the stereotypes of Americans.

Meh . . . stereotypes of all sorts exist for a reason . . . doesn't make them good, bad, ugly or fat . . .

 

[nac386]

I don't know how I would have handled it with a guy screaming at me though...and threatening me...

I don't think I could kill someone over this.

I would certainly hope that you would not murder somebody for that. I would also hope that you and your neighbor could talk to each other like adults instead of playing hot potato with a mattress like a couple half-wits.

 

[Social Distance Warrior]

You’d think it is a basic social skill, huh?

I'm trying to think of situations where I would pull a gun on someone. obviously in the situation of self defense...

but would I have done it here? dunno...

I'm just not down with killing people over petty shit.

 

[method115]

What about what you saw, would make you doubt that he didn't pull the gun, until he was threatened?

Is it really hard for you to imagine that psycopath being the problem, and not the old man?

I don't know one way or the other but it's something we need to know instead of just assuming don't you think? Nothing is hard to imagine in a situation like this but I don't know neither does anyone else here so let's see what comes out after the investigation no point in debating what we can't possibly know. The guys put a gun to the wifes head after killing the husband so it's not like were dealing with people who have a clear understanding of what they are legally allowed to do with their guns.

 

[Slick_36]

I knew a black guy in the army from Texas that wore a cowboy hat and cowboy boots whenever he wasn't in uniform. He was 6'4 and fucking ripped. Has always stuck with me, and gives me a strange opinion of Texas.

That's unusual for even a white guy. And I say that as the son of a former professional bull rider. Like I got shit for saying "howdy" and I lived in the middle of nowhere. Which is embarrassing now because I'm in Pennsylvania and I still can't help saying it out of habit.

 

[Big Nasty Edison]

Not the sort of story or thread which dispels the stereotypes of Americans.

It would have been better if it was in a McDonald's parking lot while a bald eagle takes a shit on a lifted pick up truck.

 

[VivaRevolution]

I don't know one way or the other but it's something we need to know instead of just assuming don't you think? Nothing is hard to imagine in a situation like this but I don't know neither does anyone else here so let's see what comes out after the investigation no point in debating what we can't possibly know. The guys put a gun to the wifes head after killing the husband so it's not like were dealing with people who have a clear understanding of what they are legally allowed to do with their guns.

I don't really think any of it matters, because if that guy doesn't grab a weapon and charge the old man, he would still be alive.

 

[Malvo]

Luckily the man that was killed wasn't a ghetto dweller.

 

[Squarechoke]

No one comes off good there. The person that got shot was clearly threatening and antagonizing, but I think a rational human being would do something more in between telling someone to not dump his mattress there and shooting him in the head.

In general that does to me seem like a relevant cause why so many Americans die to fire arms. I get the feeling that it's far more common to own guns for use against other humans compared to other places. On a more anecdotal note I know plenty of people that own guns, mainly for hunting but some for sport shooting, and I've never heard anyone utter anything about protection or anything like that. I don't know if it's people being scared or if the US overall is so far beyond Sweden in terms of danger.

 

[Slick_36]

It could also get you killed . . . so unless you want to die I'd say capitulate and/or exit the situation if you're able to do so . . .



Threatened with death? Who was yelling they were going to kill someone?



I carry . . . the simple presence of a gun doesn't make it a life and death situation. The older guy had a gun out and wasn't threatening death on anyone. The younger guy's behavior was questionable at best.



What part of the older guy not shooting until threatened is confusing to you? A "trigger happy idiot" would have shot first and asked questions later.

Pulling a gun out over a mattress is threatening behavior. There's a difference between having a gun for protection and pulling it out when it's not necessary. And I'm not saying it's smart to argue and threaten someone who has a gun, I'm saying we shouldn't be giving power to anyone just because they have a gun.

 

[MTT]

The wife proclaiming this video would shore up the prosecution's case is another example of being out of touch. It's going to be the strongest piece of evidence for the defense.

 

[Ruprecht]

Are there actually brandishing laws in Texas?

 

[VivaRevolution]

That's unusual for even a white guy. And I say that as the son of a former professional bull rider. Like I got shit for saying "howdy" and I lived in the middle of nowhere. Which is embarrassing now because I'm in Pennsylvania and I still can't help saying it out of habit.

Imagine seeing this guy in army shorts and t-shirt, looking like someone you wouldn't want to fuck with, and maybe a little hood. See him at the barracks in a cowboy hat, boots, white Texas twang accent......wtf.

Dude was awesome. He was genuinely a nice guy to boot. Went to church, but wasn't square, and liked to drink. Said he never played sports in school, but when I saw him during our army base sports competition thing they do, he was a legit A-level athlete.

 

[Iceberg Slim]

No one comes off good there. The person that got shot was clearly threatening and antagonizing, but I think a rational human being would do something more in between telling someone to not dump his mattress there and shooting him in the head.

In general that does to me seem like a relevant cause why so many Americans die to fire arms. I get the feeling that it's far more common to own guns for use against other humans compared to other places. On a more anecdotal note I know plenty of people that own guns, mainly for hunting but some for sport shooting, and I've never heard anyone utter anything about protection or anything like that. I don't know if it's people being scared or if the US overall is so far beyond Sweden in terms of danger.

I think it's a lack of respect for human life. It kind of plays into it both ways. People like these guys viewed keeping the dumpster clear a bigger deal than taking a human life. If people value life so little, the danger you mention goes up. therefore the need for protection and so on.

 

[ObamaPhoneLady]

This is why you gotta be armed. Should have shot and killed the old man as soon as he brandished bruh.

Lol at those ugly ass rednecks who are about to get turned out in prison over a mattress.

Well that post is funnier than your standup at least.

Lol @ corny white hipsters who think jail is Oz.

 

[Slick_36]

west texas has alleys and common dumpsters for ever few houses. they were next door neighbors so they likely shared that dumpster

Yeah, that's how all the dumpsters I grew up with were in the Panhandle. I assumed that was the case here as well, but I could be wrong.

 

[VivaRevolution]

The wife proclaiming this video would shore up the prosecution's case is another example of being out of touch. It's going to be the strongest piece of evidence for the defense.

I like how she told everyone about his diagnosed hyper aggressive disorder, like it makes him a victim, and not substantiating the danger the old man faced.

 

[Ruprecht]

The wife proclaiming this video would shore up the prosecution's case is another example of being out of touch. It's going to be the strongest piece of evidence for the defense.

Since it doesn't actually show what happened when they shot, I imagine it'll probably be whose account is more credible between the killers' and the victim's wife and brother's.

 

[MTT]

Pulling a gun out over a mattress is threatening behavior. There's a difference between having a gun for protection and pulling it out when it's not necessary. And I'm not saying it's smart to argue and threaten someone who has a gun, I'm saying we shouldn't be giving power to anyone just because they have a gun.

Based on the behavior of both parties in the video, it isn't going to be a leap for a juror to believe the gun was initially pulled after the unhinged became unhinged. It's interesting that all of the dead man's family are completely mum during the taped encounter. I understand hindsight but not one attempt to reign him in.. sad.