Crime Texas: Two fat hillbillies kill a Father over garbage

[Slick_36]

Based on the behavior of both parties in the video, it isn't going to be a leap for a juror to believe the gun was initially pulled after the unhinged started behaving unhinged.

They should have gone inside and called the police if he was breaking the law and if he made a threat. That's what they're there for, the second amendment isn't for vigilante nonsense. This wasn't defense, it was a game of chicken more than anything.

 

[VivaRevolution]

Not the sort of story or thread which dispels the stereotypes of Americans.

Who said we want to dispel them?

What kind of idiot would ever invade a country of armed psycopaths. This is our true national defense.

Well after the oceans, and multi trillion dollar war machines.

 

[HereticBD]

I'm trying to think of situations where I would pull a gun on someone. obviously in the situation of self defense...

but would I have done it here? dunno...

I didn't watch the video. Not a fan of watching real death. From what I gather, the guy was ranting like crazy and came at them with a bat? I don't know if I'd shoot to kill, but if I had a gun in that scenario, it'd probably be getting drawn. Depending on how the guy acted after that, he might get a bullet.

 

[ObamaPhoneLady]

They should have gone inside and called the police if he was breaking the law and if he made a threat. That's what they're there for, the second amendment isn't for vigilante nonsense. This wasn't defense, it was a game of chicken more than anything.

You're not wrong, but they call the cops, the cops come and tell the guy to dispose of the mattrress properly and then they leave.

Anger problems guy already knows where you live and now he has a reason to freak out because he knows you called the cops on him.

Maybe he comes to your house armed and shoots you.

Now I think we can all agree if the guy threatened to kill the police officers and then advanced on them with a baseball bat, they would have been within their rights to shoot him.

So why are we allotting LEOs more rights to self defense than we do regular citizens?

 

[VivaRevolution]

Luckily the man that was killed wasn't a ghetto dweller.

Imagine if the shooter was black, and the dead guy was white.

Wonder how many posters we would see flipping, from both sides.

 

[glenwo2]

They should have shot him im the hand, so he dropped his bat then the fat kid could have combat rolled over and grabbed the bat out of mid air! The he could have said something cool like ' don't bring a bat to a gunfight!'

Nope. You aim for center mass. This isn't a movie.

But they didn't aim for the CENTER.

They aimed for the Head.

 

[Slick_36]

I didn't watch the video. Not a fan of watching real death. From what I gather, the guy was ranting like crazy and came at them with a bat? I don't know if I'd shoot to kill, but if I had a gun in that scenario, it'd probably be getting drawn. Depending on how the guy acted after that, he might get a bullet.

They had the guns before he had the bat. And that's a good call, it's a rough video to watch no matter who you side with. Just a senseless death that could have easily been avoided at any point.

 

[VivaRevolution]

Since it doesn't actually show what happened when they shot, I imagine it'll probably be whose account is more credible between the killers' and the victim's wife and brother's.

I think you can tell where he was when he was shot in relative position to the shooter, because of the trajectory of the bat throw. Should be simple physics to determine his position from the shooter.

The shooter literally never moves his feet in the entire video.

 

[Iceberg Slim]

I didn't watch the video. Not a fan of watching real death. From what I gather, the guy was ranting like crazy and came at them with a bat? I don't know if I'd shoot to kill, but if I had a gun in that scenario, it'd probably be getting drawn. Depending on how the guy acted after that, he might get a bullet.

The video wasn't that bad. The camera is jumping all over at the time of the shooting, and then you see dude face down on the ground and the woman screaming.
But you got the gist.

I actually watched it frame by frame and you can't see much but... I do think the son took aim and fired a kill shot at a wounded man that was trying to retreat. I don't know what the laws are for that, but if he didn't fire that shot, the guy might have survived.

 

[Slick_36]

Imagine if the shooter was black, and the dead guy was white.

Wonder how many posters we would see flipping, from both sides.

I don't think that would have changed much besides Yorkist freaking out and calling it murder.

 

[My2Cents]

What a beautiful country you guys live in... only in Murica I guess

 

[glenwo2]

After they shot the guy, they put a gun to his wife's head and "detained" her. That's a paddlin.

I really hate the Urban Dictionary.

All these confounded new slang terms.

Whatever happened to "That was a mistake" or "That was a crime" or "That changes everything"?

When I hear "That's a paddlin", I picture a dog swimming.

 

[Slick_36]

The video wasn't that bad. The camera is jumping all over at the time of the shooting, and then you see dude face down on the ground and the woman screaming.
But you got the gist.

I actually watched it frame by frame and you can't see much but... I do think the son took aim and fired a kill shot at a wounded man that was trying to retreat. I don't know what the laws are for that, but if he didn't fire that shot, the guy might have survived.

The woman screaming is probably the hardest part. The glimpse of the guy is rough but the pain of the woman is haunting to me.

 

[MTT]

They should have gone inside and called the police if he was breaking the law and if he made a threat. That's what they're there for, the second amendment isn't for vigilante nonsense. This wasn't defense, it was a game of chicken more than anything.

They will claim upon first contact the dead man started hurling threats, which prompted one of the dynamic duo to unholster his firearm. That is reasonable. None of us know the chain of events prior to the film rolling but that seems a likely scenario. I understand your point but it's likely too simplistic. The dead man's family should have tried to reign him in. It seems this over the top behavior was an established personality trait. Don't tell armed men you're going to kill them multiple times is the lesson.

As an aside, it's interesting observing the hatred that can fester between neighbors. Someone said subhuman and I couldn't disagree more. We are territorial, aggressive, and archaic by nature. Precisely the reason I carry a weapon.

 

[glenwo2]

orange shirt was ASKING to be shot ..

also .. two fat disgusting blobs of shit .. like father like son

IN THE FUCKING LEG, THIGH, or whatever!

Not a fucking KILL-SHOT to the HEAD!!

 

[trac209]

I don't know man. The kid was being an ass, but that old man was calm, and not escalating shit. That crazy unarmed asshole is a walking billboard for gun owners. That psyco would have likely beat the old man to death with that baseball bat if he wasn't armed.

Look to me that this guy was dumping this mattress in this guys alley, and he came out armed to stop him. Your stupid if you go out there to stop him not armed. So you can let the guy dump his shit in your alley, or confront him armed.

That unarmed psyco had big balls, and he won a big ball prize.

Exacty^^^^^Agreed
So angry crazy guy confronted guys with guns who were acting calm and they are the crazy hillbilly’s ? Gtfo with that crap.

 

[Slick_36]

You're not wrong, but they call the cops, the cops come and tell the guy to dispose of the mattrress properly and then they leave.

Anger problems guy already knows where you live and now he has a reason to freak out because he knows you called the cops on him.

Maybe he comes to your house armed and shoots you.

Now I think we can all agree if the guy threatened to kill the police officers and then advanced on them with a baseball bat, they would have been within their rights to shoot him.

So why are we allotting LEOs more rights to self defense than we do regular citizens?

So you have the right to shoot anyone who's ever made a threat towards you or even just possibly might because they have an anger problem? We have laws for a reason, we have law enforcement for a reason. They're trained to do their jobs without bias.

 

[glenwo2]

This. I don't think most people understand, that in most states, if someone threatens to kill you in some documented manor, they just gave you a plausible legal defense for killing them.

Don't threaten to kill people. The police arresting you for the threat is the least of your worries.

So using your logic, if you came up to me and said "I'm going to kill you", that gives me the right to pull out a semi-automatic and blow your fucking brains out?

If everyone used your logic, the Human Race would be extinct. <Lmaoo><Lmaoo><Lmaoo>

 

[VivaRevolution]

They should have gone inside and called the police if he was breaking the law and if he made a threat. That's what they're there for, the second amendment isn't for vigilante nonsense. This wasn't defense, it was a game of chicken more than anything.

Man, I disagree. I grew up around guys that if people didn't have guns, they would have been absolute monsters in society. Hell, so would I, when I was a youth.

I was strong arm robbing drug dealers. That shit is retarded. It is a great way to get killed. If I wasn't afraid to rob people with guns, who have no issue breaking the law, how do you think it would work out if I knew their wasn't a bunch of John Wayne's out there wishing a mother fucker would. I can tell you I wouldn't have been robbing drug dealers with huge risk for a big payday, I would have been doing more house robberies, which I also did many moons ago.

It is a good thing for people to know that Joe the plummer can put you down.

 

[Ruprecht]

I think you can tell where he was when he was shot in relative position to the shooter, because of the trajectory of the bat throw. Should be simple physics to determine his position from the shooter.

Well it's obvious he was walking towards them.

The old guy says, "If you come within 3 foot of me I'm gonna kill you"
Howard: "OK"
Old guy: "That's one"
Wife: "You're not going to shoot my husband"
Howard: "Shoot me! You're dead. Point it! point it!"
Then the old guy shoots twice.
He throws the bat and the son shoots him with the shotgun and the old guy fires another 2 shots.

What he was actually doing when he was saying, "You're dead. Point it! point it!" is the unknown part which is vital.
At what point they produced the guns would also be vital, depending on whether Texas actually has brandishing laws.