Crime Texas: Two fat hillbillies kill a Father over garbage

[MaxMMA]

You don't have the right to shoot people just because you warn them you're going to do it!

Lol

 

[deadshot138]

Is @Madmick in here sticking up for murderers and taunting the victims wife?

Is that Zendaya?

 

[Ghost in the Dark]

Um

Beats getting shot immediately

No it's way cooler to get your brains sprayed all over the alley behind your house.

QED

I don't find pulling out a gun and saying 'obey me or I will kill you' an acceptable way of resolving disputes.

I don't accept that because the person who pulls a gun has the ability to kill you that you are compelled to obey.

That's some banana republic Max Mad sh*t, not how 1st world countries are supposed to work.

 

[Ghost in the Dark]

I understand the cynicism, but there's no reason to err on the side of caution and show a little sympathy to someone who for all intents and purposes appears to be the person who went through such a tragic event.

I just can't understand why people have such a problem in dropping their ego for a second, and showing a little humanity - because that's what it boils down to - you, and people like @Madmick are worried that someone may be trolling you, and don't want to take the chance that someone may have gotten one over on you. Big fuckin deal if that's the case.

It's easy to say check your ego and let the idiot have their way when it's not you the idiot is flexing on / threatening to kill over a dumpster mattress. Getting angry and confrontational when being infringed upon is an evolved response which has allowed us to survive and reproduce for millions of years. Maybe Jesus or Saint Augustine would be above that but normal human beings are not.

Introducing guns is just inviting disaster. Being a f*ckhead to someone and daring them to step up is one thing - it's not ideal but it's part of life. Some hurt feelings, some pushing and shoving, maybe someone gets a bloody nose. Everyone goes home, life goes on.

Being a f*ckhead and daring someone to disobey you so you can execute them is another.

 

[ObamaPhoneLady]

QED

I don't find pulling out a gun and saying 'obey me or I will kill you' an acceptable way of resolving disputes.

I don't accept that because the person who pulls a gun has the ability to kill you that you are compelled to obey.

That's some banana republic Max Mad sh*t, not how 1st world countries are supposed to work.

 

[dontsnitch]

Have a hard time believing it's not an alt account.

 

[deadshot138]

QED

I don't find pulling out a gun and saying 'obey me or I will kill you' an acceptable way of resolving disputes.

I don't accept that because the person who pulls a gun has the ability to kill you that you are compelled to obey.

That's some banana republic Max Mad sh*t, not how 1st world countries are supposed to work.

Not how they’re supposed to work but anyone pulling a gun on you over a mattress is not playing by 1st world rules and they did indeed appear to be extras from a mad max movie.

 

[helltoupee]

It's easy to say check your ego and let the idiot have their way when it's not you the idiot is flexing on / threatening to kill over a dumpster mattress. Getting angry and confrontational when being infringed upon is an evolved response which has allowed us to survive and reproduce for millions of years. Maybe Jesus or Saint Augustine would be above that but normal human beings are not.

Introducing guns is just inviting disaster. Being a f*ckhead to someone and daring them to step up is one thing - it's not ideal but it's part of life. Some hurt feelings, some pushing and shoving, maybe someone gets a bloody nose. Everyone goes home, life goes on.

Being a f*ckhead and daring someone to disobey you so you can execute them is another.

Completely agree with you.

The "drop your ego" remark was in reference to posters like Madmick demonstrating a complete inability to show a little empathy. It's as if they are so worried that if someone might be shown to be a troll or something, that this convoluted image of all-knowing perfection they think they convey to the outside world will be shattered.

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

Have a hard time believing it's not an alt account.

Once you get past the oddity of it, I'm not sure there's anything trollish about the actual postings.

 

[IndyCovaHart]

Oh boy did you assholes run this poor lady off already?

Sherdog can never have nice things.

 

[AtomicPanther]

I understand the cynicism, but there's no reason to err on the side of caution and show a little sympathy to someone who for all intents and purposes appears to be the person who went through such a tragic event.

I just can't understand why people have such a problem in dropping their ego for a second, and showing a little humanity - because that's what it boils down to - you, and people like @Madmick are worried that someone may be trolling you, and don't want to take the chance that someone may have gotten one over on you. Big fuckin deal if that's the case.

I don't care about being trolled, none of this is real life. I'm assuming she's legit, and I also think she was part of the problem. You don't think, at least a little, that she was thinking "my big burly man's gonna whoop those fat rednecks, so I'm gonna film it"? Somebody thought to get the children to safety, but these dumbasses saw an opportunity to get their 10 seconds of fame. Now she's just trying to get attention in a different way.

 

[deadshot138]

Oh boy did you assholes run this poor lady off already?

Sherdog can never have nice things.

This forum really is the embodiment of Hell.

 

[IndyCovaHart]

This is low even by Sherdog standards.

 

[deadshot138]

This is low even by Sherdog standards.

I dunno, the depths of Sherdogs depravity know no boundaries

 

[Capt Lunatic]

Oh boy did you assholes run this poor lady off already?

Relax, she just went to take out some tras...OH NO! NOT AGAIN!!!!!!

 

[helltoupee]

I don't care about being trolled, none of this is real life. I'm assuming she's legit, and I also think she was part of the problem. You don't think, at least a little, that she was thinking "my big burly man's gonna whoop those fat rednecks, so I'm gonna film it"?

Well, according to her, in this thread, she started recording after one of her other family members went and dialed 911, ie., as they were waiting for the cops to get there. Seems kind of stupid to suggest that her motive for filming was to see her husband beat the shit out of someone if the cops were on their way, and more reasonable to believe that she, like many people, often record confrontations to protect themselves later on in court.

Somebody thought to get the children to safety, but these dumbasses saw an opportunity to get their 10 seconds of fame. Now she's just trying to get attention in a different way.

"10 seconds of fame" with the cops on the way? So the cops could confiscate the phone, and conveniently arrest her husband for assault?

This is what I mean. You make a lot of half-hazard assumptions that don't seem to be thought through very well, which doesn't leave much ground for you to stand on when criticizing someone else's actions.

 

[AtomicPanther]

This is what I mean. You make a lot of half-hazard assumptions that don't seem to be thought through very well, which doesn't leave much ground for you to stand on when criticizing someone else's actions.

One big assumption; if she had suggested they leave, he'd probably be alive right now. If the other guy had a bat instead of a gun, a fairer fight, and he still killed him would you be more accepting of the outcome? Is your real problem just that one party was more prepared for the confrontation?

 

[PHATV]

Oh, my. What have I missed? The woman in the video posted in this thread? This is page 24 for me with the longer page option under user preferences. Where should I start? What page? Thanks in advance.

 

[retsdon]

Is your real problem just that one party was more prepared for the confrontation?

So if they'd both been carrying firearms, that would have been better? How do think that would have panned out?

 

[retsdon]

I'd also just like to say that based on the training that I had on carrying and using a firearm for personal protection the father and son did everything wrong. Admittedly my training was in South Africa and maybe it's different in America, but I was taught -

1) Don't get into rows when you're carrying, and if you can't avoid one, try and diffuse it as quickly as possible or just walk away.
2) Never, never pull your gun out to as a 'threat' or use it to try and force people into doing or not doing something.
3) The only time you pull your gun is to use it. Pull, aim, fire. And you only so when you or someone else is in immediate danger of death or serious injury and there is no other option.

So here's where they went wrong.
1)When they started making demands to 'back off' - another way of saying 'put your tail between your legs and slink away' they were escalating the confrontation and making the likelihood of a violent and uncontrollable outcome more likely.

2) As soon as they brought the guns out, they gave up the initiative and lost control of the situation by throwing the onus of action or inaction onto the other party. In other words, if he didn't back down they would either have to back down themselves at some point or someone was likely to be illegally killed - either the other party or, if they got stuck in that indecisive 'will I / won't I shoot' zone, one of them with their own gun.

3) If you shoot someone, you'd better be damned sure you can justify your actions. If you decide that you have no choice but to do so before you get a gun in your hand, you're far less likely to misjudge the situation. And if it's properly justifiable in a court you won't need to a warning either. These idiots pushed themselves into a position that they felt honor bound to make good on their warnings and threats.

The rules I was taught were there for a reason - to protect me, the gun carrier. And by breaking all three the hillbillies have ended up committing murder and are now facing hard prison time.