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Crime Texas: Two fat hillbillies kill a Father over garbage

Edison Carasio said:
A Texas prosecutor obviously feels differently since they have been charged with murder from what I read earlier.

If someone is dumping garbage in my alley, addressing them with my gun drawn the moment I walk out the back door of my house is not an appropriate response. Coming out with my gun holstered safely is one thing.

And lazily slinging a shotgun over your shoulder like some type of movie character is not safe handling of a firearm IMO. The old guy seemed to have better gun handling safety than the younger guy with him.
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Their wasn't a shell in the chamber of the shotgun until he pumps it. That doesn't happen until right before he fires.

The prosecutor is wasting tax payer dollars. Not a jury in Texas that would convict those two.
 
Yorkist said:
I'm gonna take a wild guess the guy has a history of incidents like this one.
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Probably true but at the end of the day the question is can you go out confronting people with a gun in your hand. I'm going to take a wild guess and say no.
 
Edison Carasio said:
Yeah from a legal stand point I think any conviction would likely hinge on that. Did they come out of their house, guns in hand? Or did they brandish draw them afterwards?

I've been on a jury for federal case before (was a constitutional rights violation of a police officer on someone he arrested). So if I were to put myself on this jury that would be the argument I would like to hear both sides on.
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The death threats are irrelevant to you?
 
VivaRevolution said:
Their wasn't a shell in the chamber of the shotgun until he pumps it. That doesn't happen until right before he fires.
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Thanks, I wasn't interested in watching again to find that out. Thanks for the update.
The prosecutor is wasting tax payer dollars. Not a jury in Texas that would convict those two.
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I agree that they will likely not be convicted in Texas.
 
Madmick said:
Are your panties in a twist because this isn't true, or because it clearly is?

Those "fat hillbillies" warned him about a hundred times. They're being charged with 1st degree homicide? That's bizarre.

From the WaPo story it sounds like the man who got killed was putting his mattress in the hillbilly's dumpster. It's incredibly disappointing that none of the journalists reporting this in any newspaper I can find felt compelled to investigate this question...since, you know, it's the most important question to answer. It would tell us why this dumpster was a source of dispute. I can't tell if this was a common trash bin shared between their properties, or if it belonged to the hillbillies exclusively. The alley where it resides is neutral ground, but that doesn't tell us who pays for and has rights to the dumpster itself. I can't infer from the charges who's trash it was.

It sounds to me like the victim was possibly a trash pirate-- fuck those people. If so, that's like the people who throw their mattresses into restaurant/business dumpsters to avoid paying dump fees. This is a major problem for any public business that doesn't literally lock up its dumpsters. Even then, if it's in a dark, secluded area, they come and throw their garbage on top of the dumpster, anyway. They don't care. That's why major corporations put street light lamps above their dumpsters, and burn money keeping them lit during all hours of the night: because of leech pieces of shit.

Heavy.com reports of the victim:

I wonder what her excuse is for being stupid enough to smugly declare, "You're not going to shoot my husband." Lady, you don't have a gun, don't tell people with the guns what they're going to do. This isn't Texas Hold 'Em--- wtf are you thinking calling bluffs? Did you consider what the consequences would be if you called it wrongly? Clearly not, and you passively encouraged your husband by emboldening him with that language.

Play stupid games.

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west texas has alleys and common dumpsters for ever few houses. they were next door neighbors so they likely shared that dumpster
 
method115 said:
Probably true but at the end of the day the question is can you go out confronting people with a gun in your hand. I'm going to take a wild guess and say no.
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A good defence lawyer is going to make this case all about the guy who got shot so it's all relevant. But I doubt this goes to trial.
 
method115 said:
That's an assumption though? From what he's saying he started getting psychotic because they came out with guns. You can't open carry a handgun the way the older man was. So we don't know if he came out with his gun drawn like that or not.
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The woman states that he took it out of his shorts when it started to escalate.
 
Iceberg Slim said:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...dead-shot-children-aaron-howard-a8548331.html

Police have arrested the shooters, 67-year-old John Miller and 31-year-old Michael Miller, who have been charged with murder over the death of Aaron Howard.
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Murder, huh?

I actually agree.

If they shot him on the leg or something, that would've been viewed as Self-defense.

But they head-shotted him, ensuring he was dead.

Yeah. The more I think about it (as much of an asshole he was), the more it's looking like the Murder charge is correct and this may not have been the actual definition of self-defense.

Then again, I'm no attorney....but I did stay at a Holiday Inn last night! <Moves><Moves><Moves>
 
Yorkist said:
The death threats are irrelevant to you?
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Escalating a neighbor dispute over garbage by walking out of the house guns drawn is relevant to me.

Can you confirm WHEN the guns were introduced to the situation? Were they introduced as soon as the guys came out to confront him about the mattress? Or were they introduced AFTER the dead guy started acting like a dickhead?

Those are important details.
 
Edison Carasio said:
I've been on a jury for federal case before (was a constitutional rights violation of a police officer on someone he arrested). So if I were to put myself on this jury that would be the argument I would like to hear both sides on.
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It would pretty much make or break the case for me. If they came out with gun drawn that's just coming out to escalate a situation. Holstered is your legal right in Texas and while I still feel that would escalate a situation it's their right to come out like that.
 
This is why I teach my kids to resolve disputes with their words. None of that was worth dying for.
 
Yorkist said:
They'll get off. They have to be arrested though because it's on video. Cops would get endless shit if these guys were just walking around free the day after. By the time these guys go to trial, no one but the guy's family will care.
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Well umm...they were charged with Murder.

They will go to Court where the JUDGE will care.

I don't know how you would believe this incident would be swept under the rug or anything....
 
glenwo2 said:
Well umm...they were charged with Murder.

They will go to Court where the JUDGE will care.

I don't know how you would believe this incident would be swept under the rug or anything....
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Charges will get dropped in a few weeks. This is all theatre until the story blows over.
 
How dumb is it to say "How's your wife and my kids?" to an armed man, in front of your own wife?
 
Iceberg Slim said:
The woman states that he took it out of his shorts when it started to escalate.
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So I wonder was it after the guy started threatening them or was he just getting loud? Not sure when your allowed to draw your gun on someone.
 
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