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wai what swede got banned again
I know the type, and trust me when I say they don’t know shit about islam. They don’t know the rules, they don’t even know how to pray much less know what’s in the Quran. I just find it amusing how people like Sweede chalk up their misbehavior to Islam when they’re not even practicing Muslims for all intents and purposes. Islam is an identity to them, nothing more.
wai what swede got banned again
wai what swede got banned again
I think every country should run their internal policy the way in which they see fit. If they don’t want folks from Muslim countries to immigrate there, it is within their right to put those policies in place. What I don’t accept is using a societal problem (which Sweden has apparently partially brought on themselves) as an excuse to pathologize 2 billion people and blame it all on Islam. Let me explain something basic to you: There are 2 classes of sins in Islam (cardinal sins and minor sins). According to Islamic jurisprudence Cardinal sins are *extremely* serious and when they are done on a routine basis can put you out of the fold of Islam entirely. Alcohol, drugs, messing around with women outside of marriage, these are all cardinal sins. The suggestion that people who routinely break all these cardinal sins (and rape is a HUGE cardinal sin) don’t know how to pray, get drunk, etc. that these people are a legitimate representation of Islamic belief is a comical suggestion. What they do, can only be attributed to them. It makes no sense to assign blame to an entire religion which they claim but do not even practice. That said, listen, I think the Muslim world is really fucked up and we have a lot of cleaning up to do. I’m not trying to duck responsibility here.Maybe you're right, these people aren't fundamentalists but wielding the religion to their convenience and weaponizing it towards the unbelievers. When you say that these aren't true believers, I'd really like to believe your words (and I think you might really think that way) but this is the exact same line that I've heard since 2012 in very grave contexts in where I live. The initial problem with this statement is that the person committing the acts believes (or wants to believe) that they are in fact doing nothing wrong and that their beliefs allow it : it doesn't matter that someone else of the same religion judges him or says that he's wrong, he's still committing the act under the cloak of his beliefs and getting the validation from his community.
Why our Swedish friend for example is worried about the state of his nation is very simple ; there's a very real problem today that has been originally imported that has spawned numerous other problems. Neither the Sunni Islam or the cultures from which the arrivals were from were never compatible with Sweden but Sweden has ridiculously open values (their ministers openly stated that they'd want to be a superpower of humanitarian aide, without consulting the citizens and importing roughly 100.000 people annually over multiple years with completely contrarian values) and thus they were left to practice the way they want and to live they way they want, even offering support to all of it. The nation was like an ostrich burying its head into the sand. This all has evolved to a new generations of ghetto-glamorizing Islamists in a record time. The problem is very real and extremely hard to untackle, the religion is tied to their identities of being outlanders.
AlhamdililahWell since this happened then god wills it
I think every country should run their internal policy the way in which they see fit. If they don’t want folks from Muslim countries to immigrate there, it is within their right to put those policies in place. What I don’t accept is using a societal problem (which Sweden has apparently partially brought on themselves) as an excuse to pathologize 2 billion people and blame it all on Islam. Let me explain something basic to you: There are 2 classes of sins in Islam (cardinal sins and minor sins). According to Islamic jurisprudence Cardinal sins are *extremely* serious and when they are done on a routine basis can put you out of the fold of Islam entirely. Alcohol, drugs, messing around with women outside of marriage, these are all cardinal sins. The suggestion that people who routinely brake all these cardinal sins (and rape is a HUGE cardinal sin) don’t know how to pray, get drunk, etc. that these people are a legitimate representation of Islamic belief is a comical suggestion. What they do, can only be attributed to them. It makes no sense to assign blame to an entire religion which they claim but do not even practice. That said, listen, I think the Muslim world is really fucked up and we have a lot of cleaning up to do. I’m not trying to duck responsibility here.
Yup. That’s exactly my point. People that do stuff like rape women and steal are criminal thugs. And they should be treated as such. Blaming a religion that comprises a quarter of all humans in not only wrong but counter productive.Those sins above would cover 90 percent of new arrivals (mainly getting drunk and the fooling around with women)
Our own muslim minority causes zero problem (tatars)
I think every country should run their internal policy the way in which they see fit. If they don’t want folks from Muslim countries to immigrate there, it is within their right to put those policies in place. What I don’t accept is using a societal problem (which Sweden has apparently partially brought on themselves) as an excuse to pathologize 2 billion people and blame it all on Islam. Let me explain something basic to you: There are 2 classes of sins in Islam (cardinal sins and minor sins). According to Islamic jurisprudence Cardinal sins are *extremely* serious and when they are done on a routine basis can put you out of the fold of Islam entirely. Alcohol, drugs, messing around with women outside of marriage, these are all cardinal sins. The suggestion that people who routinely brake all these cardinal sins (and rape is a HUGE cardinal sin) don’t know how to pray, get drunk, etc. that these people are a legitimate representation of Islamic belief is a comical suggestion. What they do, can only be attributed to them. It makes no sense to assign blame to an entire religion which they claim but do not even practice. That said, listen, I think the Muslim world is really fucked up and we have a lot of cleaning up to do. I’m not trying to duck responsibility here.
Yeah, its pretty messed up.sweede banned again?
#thisiswhywepost
Muslim fragility.Yeah, its pretty messed up.
To be fair I don't think these "Muslims" actually live life according to the 5 pillars and I doubt they've read the Quran, barely know what the hadits about or know wtf a sira is. To say they're misbehaving in the name of Islam is to take seriously GWB saying Jesus told him to invade Iraq. Pure, unadulterated bullshit, in other words. Yet, abrogation aside many Muslims put their own interpretation on their faith regardless of the fact that the Quran isn't supposed to be up for interpretation. It being the exact words of Allah and all.Maybe you're right, these people aren't fundamentalists but wielding the religion to their convenience and weaponizing it towards the unbelievers. When you say that these aren't true believers, I'd really like to believe your words (and I think you might really think that way) but this is the exact same line that I've heard since 2012 in very grave contexts in where I live. The initial problem with this statement is that the person committing the acts believes (or wants to believe) that they are in fact doing nothing wrong and that their beliefs allow it : it doesn't matter that someone else of the same religion judges him or says that he's wrong, he's still committing the act under the cloak of his beliefs and getting the validation from his community.
Why our Swedish friend for example is worried about the state of his nation is very simple ; there's a very real problem today that has been originally imported that has spawned numerous other problems. Neither the Sunni Islam or the cultures from which the arrivals were from were never compatible with Sweden but Sweden has ridiculously open values (their ministers openly stated that they'd want to be a superpower of humanitarian aide, without consulting the citizens and importing roughly 100.000 people annually over multiple years with completely contrarian values) and thus they were left to practice the way they want and to live they way they want, even offering support to all of it. The nation was like an ostrich burying its head into the sand. This all has evolved to a new generations of ghetto-glamorizing Islamists in a record time. The problem is very real and extremely hard to untackle, the religion is tied to their identities of being outlanders.
The Qur'an has always been interpreted, that's what the schools of jurisprudence are for. Not only have they always been interpreted by scholars but within the various sects you have different but equally valid schools of interpretation. The most well known ones being the four primary Sunni schools of jurisprudence; Shafi, Maliki, Hanbali, and Hanafi. The only rule is you're supposed to stick to one, so you're not supposed to take the Hanbali ruling on this issue but the Maliki ruling on another because its convenient for you. But you're also not supposed to act as though your school is the only right one and you have to approach the issues they disagree on with the mindset that your school might be wrong. That's fine so long as you're sincere in following it and trying to reach the truth.To be fair I don't think these "Muslims" actually live life according to the 5 pillars and I doubt they've read the Quran, barely know what the hadits about or know wtf a sira is. To say they're misbehaving in the name of Islam is to take seriously GWB saying Jesus told him to invade Iraq. Pure, unadulterated bullshit, in other words. Yet, abrogation aside many Muslims put their own interpretation on their faith regardless of the fact that the Quran isn't supposed to be up for interpretation. It being the exact words of Allah and all.
Damn. Before Sweede got banned, I wanted to ask him about his thoughts on Khamzat Chimaev.
Like the vocal loonies on the left they're at the very least given a pass because they bolster numbers. I tend to think the deafening silence about their fuckery that's coming from within their own communities is sort of acceptance because they help further their cause.
That aside, it's complete duplicity to say these folks don't represent Islam when they're harboured, protected and indulged by the Islamic community. Just like the mass rapists in the UK.