Movies SUPERMAN (Dragonlord's Review, post #1)

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Well we only liked that version for the hot girl Terri who you already mentioned..

But imagine thinking other versions are woke after that when you were a Japanese man playing superman. That recent dean cain comment just had me scratching my head.

Sorry, Dean Cain – of course Superman is woke, he fights injustice — Guardian Australia

James Gunn’s latest Man of Steel has copped flak from some predictable quarters, but the truth is, superheroes have been subverting the powerful, sticking up for the underdogs, and punching moral cowardice since the 1930s

apple.news

I'l tell you one thing about Dean Cain. That fool thought Alec Baldwin was liable for Helena Hutchins death by not checking the gun.

Not only he is an idiot for saying that, he is also being betraying his fellow colleague who has just gone through a trauma and needs support. Not some dumb, bimbo hobbyist analysis.

Alec is probably a complete douchebag, but he should be left alone. Brandon Lees shooter had severe psychological hang-ups and was never the same again.

 

[ufcfan4]

A travesty.

not a damn thing about this movie is memorable to me, nothing sticks out, nothing worth repeating. but for some reason this movie is getting better ratings for a comic movie than lets say eternals which in my opinion was infinitely better than just about any comic movie to be put out from the marvel or dc side.

id like to go back to the 90s where movies being made had nothing to do with comics and were worth their ratings.

Haven’t seen it yet. Definitely want to check it out though. Lot of varying opinions here.

I think so many of these comic hero movies just resonate with people differently. There are people who think the Reeve films (first two anyway) are the gold standard. There are people who think they are dull or dated. I definitely view them as classics but I can see how they wouldn’t be for everyone, particularly when the modern audience has been accustomed to a certain level of special effects and action set pieces.

I recently rewatched the Burton Batman films. I find the rewatchability for those movies to be off the charts. And as great as the Nolan trilogy is, there is something about Burton’s films (Returns in particular) that just resonates with me, where I know I’ll revisit that one again and again in a way I won’t The Dark Knight, a film that is the best Batman movie.

Funny you mention Eternals, too. I really liked that one. I fully recognized that it landed for me in a way that it didn’t for many others who criticized it. But it delivered in my book. I like a comic book hero team film, I thought the individual characters’ powers were well realized on screen, I thought zhao’s visual storytelling was powerful, and the stakes of the film seemed high.

I also really enjoyed the turning point scene where Gemma Chan becomes away of the true identity of the Eternals. I thought she sold that scene really well.

There’s plenty of things to dislike in that film, too, but it was one of my favorites of that later MCU run.

 

[dildos]

I'l tell you one thing about Dean Cain. That fool thought Alec Baldwin was liable for Helena Hutchins death by not checking the gun.

Not only he is an idiot for saying that, he is also being betraying his fellow colleague who has just gone through a trauma and needs support. Not some dumb, bimbo hobbyist analysis.

Alec is probably a complete douchebag, but he should be left alone. Brandon Lees shooter had severe psychological hang-ups and was never the same again.

Alec just can’t contain his bust.

 

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Alec just can’t contain his bust.

I'm glad you reminded me to hate dean cain. Thank you

 

[Dragonlordxxxxx]

@Dragonlordxxxxx haven't seen the film yet, but I've heard a rumour that,

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Kal-El's parents do a Heel Turn; Lex finds a message in which they tell Clark to conquer the world once he gets his Powers. Some fans aren't happy about this.

If true, it seems like a call-back to Brightburn, which James Gunn produced.

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Yes, it's true. That was what Lex used to turn the public against Superman, hence the mob shouting at him in the trailer and one of them throwing something at his head.

Yes, it's definitely a call-back to the Gunn-produced Brightburn. There are also other DC Comics and Elseworld stories in the past where they used this plotline.

 

[Dragonlordxxxxx]

but for some reason this movie is getting better ratings for a comic movie than lets say eternals which in my opinion was infinitely better than just about any comic movie to be put out from the marvel or dc side.

Funny you mention Eternals, too. I really liked that one. I fully recognized that it landed for me in a way that it didn’t for many others who criticized it. But it delivered in my book. I like a comic book hero team film, I thought the individual characters’ powers were well realized on screen, I thought zhao’s visual storytelling was powerful, and the stakes of the film seemed high.

I also really enjoyed the turning point scene where Gemma Chan becomes away of the true identity of the Eternals. I thought she sold that scene really well.

There’s plenty of things to dislike in that film, too, but it was one of my favorites of that later MCU run.

Always happy to see Eternals getting its flowers. Totally underrated and often misunderstood movie. It's one of the riskiest, most un-Marvel like films they've made. Hope others give it a chance and rewatch it and learn to appreciate it.

 

[Dragonlordxxxxx]

I always trusted dragonlord but he liked thunderbolts way more than I did.

And I already don't like Superman as a character so I think I'll skip this one

Might be for the best. I don't even feel confident recommending Superman after reading a lot of mixed reactions from Sherdoggers who have seen it.

 

[Dragonlordxxxxx]

Box office update:

Superman is looking at a $115 to $120+ million opening weekend in the US for a $220+ million global start.

It’s A Bird, It’s A Plane, It’s A Box Office Hit: ‘Superman’ Leaps Higher To $125M Opening – Monday AM Update

'Superman' is opening to $123M, the second best opening ever for director James Gunn.

deadline.com

 

[KnightTemplar]

Superman vs The Fantastic Four? It will be very interesting to see who takes the box office title.

I suspect Marvel might actually be the more nervous. They have a lot riding on the FF.

 

[Strychnine]

I guess I'm in. Thanks for the review @Dragonlordxxxxx

Matinee Monday for me!

 

[CrazyN8]

Well I just saw it. I get why this is a devicive movie because it made some clear tonal choices and did not tow the line to be safe. This movie isn't for everyone, but hot damn it is exactly for me. I loved almost everything about it. If this is where DC is going I'm 100% in.

 

[Dragonlordxxxxx]

Superman vs The Fantastic Four? It will be very interesting to see who takes the box office title.

I suspect Marvel might actually be the more nervous. They have a lot riding on the FF.

For me, Warner Bros. is the more nervous with Superman than Marvel is with First Steps. The stakes are much higher on the DC side. Here's my take on it.

Gunn's Superman is the first movie in their brand new reboot cinematic universe (DCU). Their previous DCEU had a solid start but by the end, a lot of moviegoers were rejecting almost everything they churned out and did so poorly to flat out bombed at the box office (The Flash, Shazam 2, Blue Beetle, Aquaman 2, Black Adam, Birds of Prey). That's why WB decided to reboot everything and start fresh. If their first film for the DCU, Superman, fails to be received positively by moviegoers, their brand is tainted going forward and a lot of people are not going to see their future movies.

Gunn's Superman does not have to do extremely well at the box office. It just needs to be a hit with most of the audience to develop goodwill and to ensure a good start for their new DCU. Besides, if Superman is liked by the audience, it can make up for it with ancillary revenue from home video sales, TV sales and streaming.

If First Steps flop (which I don't think it will), Marvel still has their biggest, heavy hitters around the block with Spider-Man: Brand New Day, Avengers: Doomsday and Avengers: Secret Wars. Not to mention they still have the X-Men reboot in their back pocket.

 

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Well I just saw it. I get why this is a devicive movie because it made some clear tonal choices and did not tow the line to be safe. This movie isn't for everyone, but hot damn it is exactly for me. I loved almost everything about it. If this is where DC is going I'm 100% in.

Are you saying it tries to be several things and can't decide what type of movie it is? Those tend to ultimately fail.

 

[Dragonlordxxxxx]

Are you saying it tries to be several things and can't decide what type of movie it is? Those tend to ultimately fail.

I think @CrazyN8 meant that it is clear on what type of movie it is trying to make. From his post:

"It made some clear tonal choices"
"Did not tow the line to be safe"

And that's why he thinks the movie is divisive for a lot of people because it doesn't play it safe and made some clear bold choices.

 

[CrazyN8]

Are you saying it tries to be several things and can't decide what type of movie it is? Those tend to ultimately fail.

Not at all. I'm saying the exact opposite actually. They went all in on a earnest superman in a fully comic book style world, and some people aren't gonna like that no matter what.

 

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Not at all. I'm saying the exact opposite actually. They went all in on a earnest superman in a fully comic book style world, and some people aren't gonna like that no matter what.

yeah i misread it. but you confused me. People who watch this movie are obviously going to have some appreciation for the comic book. It's not a movie you would see for any other reason.

Just like nobody watches martial arts movies unless they dont like to watch martial arts.

 

[Dragonlordxxxxx]

yeah i misread it. but you confused me. People who watch this movie are obviously going to have some appreciation for the comic book. It's not a movie you would see for any other reason.

Just like nobody watches martial arts movies unless they dont like to watch martial arts.

To use your example of watching martial arts movies, there are different types of martial arts movies. There's a Raid-style of gritty action. There's a wire-fu type of action like Crouching Tiger. There's a family type of martial arts movies like Karate Kid. There's the traditional yet unrealistic type of martial arts like Ip Man. It just depends on the tone and the direction of each movie. You can apply it to any other genres (sci-fi, action, comedy, horror). There's a lot of nuances to differentiate it from one another.

 

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To use your example of watching martial arts movies, there are different types of martial arts movies. There's a Raid-style of gritty action. There's a wire-fu type of action like Crouching Tiger. There's a family type of martial arts movies like Karate Kid. There's the traditional yet unrealistic type of martial arts like Ip Man. It just depends on the tone and the direction of each movie. You can apply it to any other genres (sci-fi, action, comedy, horror). There's a lot of nuances to differentiate it from one another.

But does the Superman comics have various interpretations like Batman?

 

[Dragonlordxxxxx]

But does the Superman comics have various interpretations like Batman?

I have the perfect examples for you but I'm on the road now. Be back in a couple of hours.

 

[CrazyN8]

But does the Superman comics have various interpretations like Batman?

I don't read comics per say but even in pop culture yes, just look at the injustice games. He's a straight up villain.