Story of Jesus Christ was 'fabricated to pacify the poor', claims Biblical scholar Joseph Atwill

Damien Karras said:
And then he went off on how we're so painstakingly stupid. He's just an idiot with confidence. I stay away from these people and let them congregate amongst themsves.
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yeah I try and not converse with him too much but he just inserts himself into conversations then tells people they are stupid. He never really makes any points(that he can back up) and just derails the threads
 
Damien Karras said:
His evidence is "the new testament started compiling stuff 60 years after Jesus' death" but he did not provide any evidence for that claim. Instead he is presenting it as an indesputable fact .
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Bro, did you comment with the wrong account? Don't think I've ever talked to you. You might want to log back in with the right account and try again with your dishonest representations of what I said.
 
MayhemMonkey said:
yeah I try and not converse with him too much but he just inserts himself into conversations then tells people they are stupid. He never really makes any points(that he can back up) and just derails the threads
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Do you mean like this one, for example? That didn't involve you that you showed up in and "went back 20 pages"? You can't stop logic failing all over every thread, can you?
 
lfd0311 said:
Do you mean like this one, for example? That didn't involve you that you showed up in and "went back 20 pages"? You can't stop logic failing all over every thread, can you?
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Please complete this phrase:

"When everyone you meet is an asshole-"
 
Fawlty said:
He told me that the answer lies in Jesus' name.

Seriously.
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It does. You also told me about 15 pages into our discussion "We aren't arguing the historicity of Jesus" which is what I've been talking about the whole time. You didn't respond with anything meaningful. I get that this is your schtick. Misrepresenting people's positions so you don't actually have to talk to them, find out you may be wrong and can't keep yourself up there on that falsely assumed intellectual high ground you like to assume. The answer is in his name. It's not that hard to look. You don't want to because you suspect I actually know what I'm talking about and you suspect that you're going to be made to look foolish.
 
I thought that the Israelis have archeological evidence that he lived but they maintain he was just a human?
 
lfd0311 said:
Do you mean like this one, for example? That didn't involve you that you showed up in and "went back 20 pages"? You can't stop logic failing all over every thread, can you?
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I didnt go back 20 pages..... I was reading through the thread and was 20 pages back and couldnt take your shit anymore so asked if you had ever backed up your bullshit..... and I wasnt surprised to find out you hadnt.
 
DeJulez said:
That's because thats not how they were written.
Adam doesnt mean a person name Adam.
Adam is man in Hebrew.
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Oh shit, you're right! Once you replace Adam with 'man' the whole thing really falls into place.
 
Seaside said:
when did i say it was not? it is stupid but this thread is about christianity and the myth of jesus divinity or jesus. You clearly have a bias and dont even know your own history. There are many parts in the new testament that are filled with sayings like Paul saying the óld laws´hold. I like how christians also say that old testament brutalness at times was okay but then Jesús came along and now it not. Like you people are psychos you say the past was wrong but then GOD changed his mind? Even though jesús does not fulfill any of the past prophecies or how god said the world was for 2000 years but all of sudden none of that or old laws matter anymore except what Paul and some saints and apostiles say and pick and choose? The creation of catholicism and the early versions of christianity before the King james bible compliation also proves the idiocy of your thinking that it is ´´all love´´´. This not even mention jesus mentioning old laws and everything hold hence why early christians were jewish christians.

LOL the myth that so many modern western christians have with ´´NT is love and compassion´´´ yeah with the addition of hell which was not in the OT and jews dont have. And the addition of crime against thinking ´bad thoughts´and original sin.
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It's almost universally accepted that Jesus was a real person.
He's been mentioned in other works around that time with some of his works also being mentioned by non christian authors, giving him more credit to being real.

Remember they didnt think Pontius Pilate was real until they found Pontius Pilates stone that mentioned him and was dated to about 30AD, which was at the time of Jesus
And then other battles for the House of David that people thought maybe didn't happen until they found artifacts left by Assyrians that talk about their battles with The House of David, or King David (Israel)
 
meauneau said:
It was supposed to test you reading comprehension.
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Bad post is bad. This is going to turn into one of those "I didn't really mean that" posts just like that reply to painislife, right?
 
Grenz said:
Oh shit, you're right! Once you replace Adam with 'man' the whole thing really falls into place.
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The whole Bible is like that.
Genesis was written to explain early man.
There wasnt a guy named Adam. Bible never said the Earth is 6,000 years old.
When they talk about the Earth being made in 7 days, they don't mean 7 actual days, I think they don't even mention the word days, but 7 intervals in time, which makes more sense.
You get a real Hebrew translation and not some Barnes and Nobles english version.....its an entirely different book.
 
Even if he was real, that doesn't change much for people who rely on logic and reason.

Guy was probably the David Blaine of the time.
 
Tropodan said:
I thought that the Israelis have archeological evidence that he lived but they maintain he was just a human?
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This would be news to me.

I know that a lot of the archeological 'evidence' for things in the bible turn out to be a thing being found and attributed to something vaguely similar in the bible without much effort to verify if it is actually that biblical thing.

For so long the bible was seen as recorded history and every time something new was discovered, there was a tendency to look through the bible to see what it 'could' be.
 
DeJulez said:
The whole Bible is like that.
Genesis was written to explain early man.
There wasnt a guy named Adam. Bible never said the Earth is 6,000 years old.
When they talk about the Earth being made in 7 days, they don't mean 7 actual days, I think they don't even mention the word days, but 7 intervals in time, which makes more sense.
You get a real Hebrew translation and not some Barnes and Nobles english version.....its an entirely different book.
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If the point you're trying to make is that Genesis is a story told by primitive humans about how they tried to make sense of the world, I fully agree. Divine however - or accurate in any sense of the word - it is not.
 
Grenz said:
If the point you're trying to make is that Genesis is a story told by primitive humans about how they tried to make sense of the world, I fully agree. Divine however - or accurate in any sense of the word - it is not.
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You've read the original versions of Genesis?
 
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