Story of Jesus Christ was 'fabricated to pacify the poor', claims Biblical scholar Joseph Atwill

meauneau said:
What you hope and fear doesn't weaken or strengthen your agnosticism. What makes it weak or strong is your attitude towards knowledge claims about God. Weak agnosticism says that we don't know but maybe we will know but we don't know. Strong agnosticism says that we don't know and we will never know.

What your response makes you is a strong ignorant.
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And you didn’t answer my question. Why?
 
Trotsky said:
Source or shut the fuck up.
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What are you asking about? Do you have your own story straight? I don’t want to misunderstand you and then make myself look like a dick acting like that’s your fault.

EDIT: don’t feel bad, you aren’t the first one to do that, and it’s derailed this whole thread.
 
Tropodan said:
As far as I know a lot of the literal interpretations of the bible come from evangelicals no?

I would assume Christian's back then followed Jesus teaching closer but I dont know.
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If you read the New Testament epistles you’ll see that the early church had all sorts of problems stemming from the fact that it was made up of converts from other religions who brought preconceived ideas with them, people from differing nationalities and very different social standings.

I’d wager they obeyed some teachings far better than us (hard to imagine them being more greedy and ungrateful as someone like myself), and others probably less well.
 
lfd0311 said:
How fucking hard is it for you to just read what I wrote? You claim to be an intelligent person. Read, then understand. I’m not going to continue writing it out over and over for you to constantly misunderstand simple, written English and then pretend that your inability to understand is somehow my fault.

EDIT: I called it a well documented fact because it is.
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Bro.

100% of your posts are either:

1) Absurd unsubstantiated claims.
2) Demands to re-read your absurd unsubstantiated claims.
3) Butthurt jibberish where you use words you find impressive incorrectly.

If you are consciously packing that much bullshit into your short posts you are truly gifted
 
ShadBo said:
Bro.

100% of your posts are either:

1) Absurd unsubstantiated claims.
2) Demands to re-read your absurd unsubstantiated claims.
3) Butthurt jibberish where you use words you find impressive incorrectly.

If you are consciously packing that much bullshit into your short posts you are truly gifted
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Still so hurt you got “reckt” you have to come back and lurk from time to time?
 
For real though man, you haven't convincingly (or even unconvincingly) supported your hypothesis that Pilate wrote about Jesus, with the writings being preserved and later destroyed to hide the truth. Also, the Jesus myth came on the scene far earlier than you suppose, I believe.

Like I said before, it's an interesting idea and I would be interested in exploring it, it's just there isn't support for it.
 
Fawlty said:
For real though man, you haven't convincingly (or even unconvincingly) supported your hypothesis that Pilate wrote about Jesus, with the writings being preserved and later destroyed to hide the truth. Also, the Jesus myth came on the scene far earlier than you suppose, I believe.

Like I said before, it's an interesting idea and I would be interested in exploring it, it's just there isn't support for it.
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Sure thing. Your answers are in his name. I’ve told you that like 4 times. I’ve also asked you like 5 times what You thought I was arguing so I could clarify, you instead of just telling me in your own words, copied my post.
 
lfd0311 said:
Exactly. You can’t even tell me what you think I’m arguing, in your own words, for whatever reason.
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You are the one who refuses to tell anyone what you are arguing.
 
meauneau said:
You are the one who refuses to tell anyone what you are arguing.
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I mean.... except for every post I've made. BTW, I've asked one simple question over and over and over again, you've ignored it, except for like the 2 times you tried to act like that's not what you said.
 
lfd0311 said:
I mean.... except for every post I've made. BTW, I've asked one simple question over and over and over again, you've ignored it, except for like the 2 times you tried to act like that's not what you said.
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I already answered all your questions and you answered all of mine. We can end it and start something new and relevant to the topic of this thread.

Your opinions on the topic of the OP are uninteresting because you are an agnostic. You are on the fence about supernatural claims, you can't claim anything negative or positive about the supernatural stories revolving around Jesus. You have nothing interesting to say other than that you don't know and hold no positive view and that the idea of eternal nonexistence terrifies you. What's the point of discussing this with you then?
 
meauneau said:
I already answered all your questions and you answered all of mine. We can end it and start something new and relevant to the topic of this thread.

Your opinions on the topic of the OP are uninteresting because you are an agnostic. You are on the fence about supernatural claims, you can't claim anything negative or positive about the supernatural stories revolving around Jesus. You have nothing interesting to say other than that you don't know and hold no positive view and that the idea of eternal nonexistence terrifies you. What's the point of discussing this with you then?
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No, you didn't and we both know it. You're just too proud to confirm you didn't read what I wrote.

If I'm so uninteresting why do you continue to reply to my posts?
 
lfd0311 said:
No, you didn't and we both know it. You're just too proud to confirm you didn't read what I wrote.

If I'm so uninteresting why do you continue to reply to my posts?
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Because it is entertaining to see you getting ridiculed by everyone.

You refuse to state your views and command everyone to do their work and go back sifting through hundreds of posts to find yours and to infer all your views without you having to state them, as if this were a book written in the geometric style. We all see through your BS. You are an insecure agnostic scared of knowing. You are scared of laying out your views because you will have to commit to a view. It's as if your mind's defence mechanism is protecting you from psychological harm. You already admitted that eternal nonexistence terrifies you. No surprise then that your mind is protecting you from the further torment if happens that naturalism is the reasonable view to hold.
 
meauneau said:
Because it is entertaining to see you getting ridiculed by everyone.

You refuse to state your views and command everyone to do their work and go back sifting through hundreds of posts to find yours and to infer all your views without you having to state them, as if this were a book written in the geometric style. We all see through your BS. You are an insecure agnostic scared of knowing. You are scared of laying out your views because you will have to commit to a view. It's as if your mind's defence mechanism is protecting you from psychological harm. You already admitted that eternal nonexistence terrifies you. No surprise then that your mind is protecting you from the further torment if happens that naturalism is the reasonable view to hold.
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Because I have stated them. I shouldn't have to repeat myself over and over in plain English while you read things into it, like you for example. This entire post is once again proof of that. It's again why you're still here. Because you're butt hurt and can't stop projecting views on me that I don't hold, so you can attack them. You've done it over and over and over again, both in this post and in this thread, while openly lying about doing it, in really lazy and childish way. What is it I'm scared of "knowing"?
 
lfd0311 said:
Because I have stated them. I shouldn't have to repeat myself over and over in plain English while you read things into it, like you for example. This entire post is once again proof of that. It's again why you're still here. Because you're butt hurt and can't stop projecting views on me that I don't hold, so you can attack them. You've done it over and over and over again, both in this post and in this thread, while openly lying about doing it, in really lazy and childish way. What is it I'm scared of "knowing"?
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Everyone in this thread who has interacted with you has asked you simple questions which you have refused to answer and you have accused everyone of misrepresenting your position. Somehow this is everyone's fault but yours. All of your posts have been vague and unclear hence why people are asking you to state your position. The principle of charity requires one to represent arguments in their strongest and most accurate form. If you refuse to hep them in this then you cannot blame them if they misrepresent you; you refuse to be a good person.

If you are here it is because you want to discuss with others yet you refuse to engage with them in a virtuous and civil manner and uphold the principle of charity. A decent and charitable person wouldn't mind restating his position clearly when invited to do so especially when there are hundreds of posts.

I am not projecting views, I am just stating what is obvious to everyone. You refuse to state your position in an unambiguous way, you refuse to answer questions directly and you accuse everyone of projecting and misrepresenting your position. You are clearly insecure.
 
But all of this is unimportant and not worth our time. It seems like people were interested in your views, which you refused to state clearly. People wanted to engage in a discussion of what they perceived to be interesting, but you refused to engage charitably. Then we find out that you are terrified of the idea of eternal nonexistence and that you are an agnostic who doesn't know the difference between the strong and weak versions of agnosticism. You are a waste of time.
 
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