Story of Jesus Christ was 'fabricated to pacify the poor', claims Biblical scholar Joseph Atwill

[lfd0311]

What about the rest of us who aren't evil like @Fawlty, will you punish us too?

Well, I mean if you would make an honest representation of my argument we could go from there...

 

[lfd0311]

Just admit it moron, you talked out of your ass with no evidence, now trying to change the subject. Be a man for once and just admit you were wrong.

I've clearly stepped on you before. Whyumadbro?

 

[meauneau]

Well, I mean if you would make an honest representation of my argument we could go from there...

Fair enough. What's your argument then?

If I misrepresented you earlier it is because of @Fawlty.

 

[lfd0311]

Fair enough. What's your argument then?

If I misrepresented you earlier it is because of @Fawlty.

LOL. Why don't you tell me, since you've been trying to argue with me for the better part of a day.

 

[meauneau]

LOL. Why don't you tell me, since you've been trying to argue with me for the better part of a day.

I already told you my source for what your argument seems to be. Apparently there is your argument, which I haven't seen, then there is @Fawlty's version of your argument, which you claim is inaccurate or a misrepresentation.

I only joined the conversation when Fawlty was restating your argument. I never saw the post with your argument.

 

[lfd0311]

I already told you my source for what your argument seems to be. Apparently there is your argument, which I haven't seen, then there is @Fawlty's version of your argument, which you claim is inaccurate or a misrepresentation.

I only joined the conversation when Fawlty was restating your argument. I never saw the post with your argument.

So maybe go back and read the f**king thread instead of chiming in about how I'm wrong and don't know what I'm talking about.

 

[meauneau]

So maybe go back and read the f**king thread instead of chiming in about how I'm wrong and don't know what I'm talking about.

Where did I say that you were wrong?

I don't even know what your argument is, I just went with Fawlty's representation of your argument.

Why can't you restate your argument here?

 

[meauneau]

@lfd0311 please respond.

 

[lfd0311]

Where did I say that you were wrong?

I don't even know what your argument is, I just went with Fawlty's representation of your argument.

Why can't you restate your argument here?

That's interesting, seeing as you aleady posted this, in this thread....

That is not true accordion to @lfd0311. There is evidence, you just have to read his posts.

 

[lfd0311]

@lfd0311 please respond.

You ok guy? you need my attention or something?

 

[meauneau]

You ok guy? you need my attention or something?

Yes I do.

I went back and read your posts. This is your claim:

"It is a well documented fact that Pontius Pilate's diary containing his writings about his time in Judah and his interactions with the man who came to be know as Jesus survived more or less in it's original form into the Early Middle Ages when it was taken by monks to a monastery where the current canonical story of Jesus was created, and the actual history of the real man and Pontius Pilate destroyed."

But I couldn't find any evidence for this. So the questions now is why should anyone take your claims seriously? You refuse to engage anyone challenging your claims and you refuse to provide evidence for what you claim. If you had any evidence you would have shut every one up already.

 

[lfd0311]

Yes I do.

I went back and read your posts. This is your claim:

"It is a well documented fact that Pontius Pilate's diary containing his writings about his time in Judah and his interactions with the man who came to be know as Jesus survived more or less in it's original form into the Early Middle Ages when it was taken by monks to a monastery where the current canonical story of Jesus was created, and the actual history of the real man and Pontius Pilate destroyed."

But I couldn't find any evidence for this. So the questions now is why should anyone take your claims seriously? You refuse to engage anyone challenging your claims and you refuse to provide evidence for what you claim. If you had any evidence you would have shut every one up already.

Now respond to my last post

 

[dontsnitch]

Yes I do.

I went back and read your posts. This is your claim:

"It is a well documented fact that Pontius Pilate's diary containing his writings about his time in Judah and his interactions with the man who came to be know as Jesus survived more or less in it's original form into the Early Middle Ages when it was taken by monks to a monastery where the current canonical story of Jesus was created, and the actual history of the real man and Pontius Pilate destroyed."

But I couldn't find any evidence for this. So the questions now is why should anyone take your claims seriously? You refuse to engage anyone challenging your claims and you refuse to provide evidence for what you claim. If you had any evidence you would have shut every one up already.

What is the meta claim being challenged? The Bible's historicity? The historical Jesus? Inerrancy? All of the above?

 

[meauneau]

Now respond to my last post

I took your word for it when you said you posted the evidence. But when I went back and read your posts I saw no evidence. Hence you are a fraud.

No one here has any reason to take you seriously. You like to make baseless claims and beat around the bush when asked to provide evidence. Now I see why. As far as anyone is concerned, all miraculous and supernatural claims about Jesus are more probably false than true. It is always more likely that the testifiers were deceived or deceiving than that a supernatural event took place.

If we add to this the fact that every religion in the world makes similar miraculous and supernatural claims which contradict those of Christianity it makes it even less likely that Christianity has any truth to is.

 

[Black Helicopters]

Bunch of dumbass replies on the first page.

 

[lfd0311]

I took your word for it when you said you posted the evidence. But when I went back and read your posts I saw no evidence. Hence you are a fraud.

Jesus Christ. If you can't read, just stop posting. It's becoming very tedious. I'm not here to explain ad nauseam why you can't understand simple things and how you didn't understand what I said.

No one here has any reason to take you seriously. You like to make baseless claims and beat around the bush when asked to provide evidence. Now I see why. As far as anyone is concerned, all miraculous and supernatural claims about Jesus are more probably false than true. It is always more likely that the testifiers were deceived or deceiving than that a supernatural event took place.

See above. Your inability to 1.) just read the conversation before you start talking and 2.) just have 8th grade level reading comprehension are not my fault.

If we add to this the fact that every religion in the world makes similar miraculous and supernatural claims which contradict those of Christianity it makes it even less likely that Christianity has any truth to is.

Case in point. You're an idiot.

 

[Fawlty]

I'll provide a little help. It has to do with the origins of his name, and where the modern name came from. You can start there, and do your own work. That's your punishment for acting like you're some sort of authority on literally every subject, and that you have some ability to talk down to everyone when you're relatively uninformed on most topics.

Man, you did not come off well through this. It really doesn't work to call me uninformed when you post some wacky fringe theory and then refuse to provide any evidence at all. I have never claimed to be any sort of expert on this.

 

[meauneau]

Jesus Christ. If you can't read, just stop posting. It's becoming very tedious. I'm not here to explain ad nauseam why you can't understand simple things and how you didn't understand what I said.

See above. Your inability to 1.) just read the conversation before you start talking and 2.) just have 8th grade level reading comprehension are not my fault.

Case in point. You're an idiot.

You think I am going to go through 32 pages to find your baseless claims?

If you had anything of substance to post you would have posted it already rather than run around in circles refusing to engage in a substantial discussion. The majority of your posts are "go back read the thread/learn to read/you didn't understand what I said". You have nothing to contribute to the topic and everyone can see this.

 

[lfd0311]

Man, you did not come off well through this. It really doesn't work to call me uninformed when you post some wacky fringe theory and then refuse to provide any evidence at all. I have never claimed to be any sort of expert on this.

Nice try. If didn't constantly come off as such a superior douche, like people have to justify things to you, then the conversation would not have gone this way. Your "No Bible scholars that I know of" nonsense is absurd. Simply posting that shows how little you know about it, yet you're still going to behave as if you're an authority. I told you what I was talking about. So do your own work, because I feel no need to justify my knowledge to you and your assumed intellectual high ground with no obvious justification for it.

 

[lfd0311]

You think I am going to go through 32 pages to find your baseless claims?

If you had anything of substance to post you would have posted it already rather than run around in circles refusing to engage in a substantial discussion. The majority of your posts are "go back read the thread/learn to read/you didn't understand what I said". You have nothing to contribute to the topic and everyone can see this.

When I'm not even claiming the stupid things you're saying, yes. Maybe you should go back and read again. That why you can figure out why you're stupid. That way maybe you can learn to not just dive in with both feet before you even understand what's being talked about.