* Stipe refusing to fight until contract is re-negotiated !

Final Say said:
or... instead of any of this...

demand more money and dont fight until you get it


lol hes the best heavyweight on the planet and has the belt. you pay him or he doesnt fight.

its called 'business'.
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It wouldn't be good 'business' for the UFC to not make him honor what the two parties agreed on when signing, In that case the UFC wouldn't be in 'business' at all bc all of the fighters would do it and the UFC would be broke bc fightings breaking contracts. Lol
 
Goonerview said:
Right, time to set the record straight. Cuz what you said is BULLSHIT.

1. UFC 163: Before Conor McGregor, Aldo headlined against Korean Zombie, Buyrate : 180,000

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFC_163

Aldo got $260,000 show money http://thesportsdaily.com/mma-manifesto/ufc-163-fighter-salaries-attendance-gate/

2. UFC 169: Next fight, Aldo was the CO-MAIN event (lol!!) against Ricardo Lamas, Buyrate: 230,000

Jose Aldo's salary: $120,000 to show money http://www.bjpenn.com/mmanews/estimated-fighter-purses-for-ufc-169-event/

Pretty f**king low, right???

3. UFC 194: After that, Aldo headlined against McGregor at UFC 194, Buyrate: 1,400,000.

Not to mention, the more exposure and selling of more merchandise, etc.etc. Almost 8 TIMES larger than his last headline event. the only variable is that he was fighting Conor McGregor.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFC_194

Aldo's purse: $400,000 . More than twice than his headline last fight.

Conclusion:
Aldo's salary increased as a direct result of fighting McGregor.

Conclusion:
Stop spreading lies, because YOU are wrong. PERIOD.
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Hey, you're fucking up unfounded opinions when you spend time researching a topic and qualify your assertions with hard facts. Knock it off.
 
Mask Of Winters said:
And this would be a bad thing exactly how...?

Besides, that's not the point. The point is, other WMMA fighters weren't better off because Ronda any more than male fighters ae because Conor. No other fighter is making more money because of those two other than those two, period.
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Want more proof???

Holly Holm.

Before her fight with Ronda Rousey.

1. UFC Fight Night (LOL!!), didn't even main event, DIDN'T EVEN CO-MAIN EVENT, She was third on a UFC fight night card (F**KING LOL).

Earnings: $50,000

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFC_Fight_Night:_Mir_vs._Duffee

Not a PPV, so no buyrate. and only $412,000 at the gate .... LMAO.

2. UFC 193, PPV headliner v Ronda Rousey.

Buyrate: 1,100,000.

Earnings: $180,000

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFC_193

not to mention more fans:
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3. UFC 196: After her popularity increase from fighting Ronda, her salary increased A LOT.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFC_196

Buyrate: 1,300,000 (ok McGregor was headlining)

Earnings: $500,000

(10 times!!, YES, TEN TIMES higher than her purse from two fights ago ... hmmm, you don't suppose this has anything to do with her fighting Ronda Rousey, do you??)

Conclusion: the exposure and fans that McGregor and Rousey bring to the sport, makes other fighters richer.

Conclusion: you are wrong ... again, PERIOD.
 
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WimpLo2 said:
Wow, you're acting like a contract isn't a legally binding agreement. Do you say this when you sign a contract as well and you don't feel like honoring it?
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I'm not a prize fighter, nor a world champion. The happenings of my regular joe job are in no way comparable to Stipe's situation.
 
LiveFreeorDie said:
They are worth it because they come from first world countries with fans with disposable incomes.
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Disposable income, as a result of free market capitalism. Property rights and a system that enforces contracts.
 
John Barker said:
It wouldn't be good 'business' for the UFC to not make him honor what the two parties agreed on when signing, In that case the UFC wouldn't be in 'business' at all bc all of the fighters would do it and the UFC would be broke bc fightings breaking contracts. Lol
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Not really. Its just like the NFL, contracts are guaranteed (you start doing bad and you are cut). Holding out on a contract that isn't guaranteed is fair play if the guy doing it is holding the right cards. HW belt with defenses and 4 straight first round finishes qualify as "right cards".

If fighters start getting guaranteed contracts regardless of success like the NBA then I will agree it would be bad business but a UFC contract? Its different.
 
Final Say said:
or... instead of any of this...

demand more money and dont fight until you get it


lol hes the best heavyweight on the planet and has the belt. you pay him or he doesnt fight.

its called 'business'.
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Then i'd just strip him of the belt and make him fight out his contract. Build up new fighters that will accept a pay on their level.

Stipe doesn't generate enough money in revenue to be asking for a huge payday.
 
Goonerview said:
He should be asking and negotiating for more money anyway. It doesn't hurt to ask.

You deserve what you can negotiate.
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100% agree but you gotta be realistic.

If the company wastes all their money on a handful of people that won't leave much for the rising stars to keep the divisions thick and plentiful.

Bellator is going to experience that harsh reality with how they are over paying the UFC traitors.

Ideally of course everyone makes good money but not enough for them to want to retire. I'm against over paying as i want our sport to keep the best fighting as long as possible. Just make sure they are well taken care of when they retire but that won't happen w/ WME.
 
Irishwhiskey119 said:
100% agree but you gotta be realistic.

If the company wastes all their money on a handful of people that won't leave much for the rising stars to keep the divisions thick and plentiful.

Bellator is going to experience that harsh reality with how they are over paying the UFC traitors.

Ideally of course everyone makes good money but not enough for them to want to retire. I'm against over paying as i want our sport to keep the best fighting as long as possible. Just make sure they are well taken care of when they retire but that won't happen w/ WME.
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My bottom line is, you don't get what you deserve ... you get what you negotiate.

Be man enough to ask for more.
 
Defeat Unknown said:
I'm not a prize fighter, nor a world champion. The happenings of my regular joe job are in no way comparable to Stipe's situation.
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But he does have a contract. And if he is refusing to honor the contract the UFC can easily strip him and Move on. And they would not really be wrong in doing so. If they are offering him several fights and he keeps saying no, The ball is in his court. The UFC is doing what they are required to do on their end.
 
The guest said:
The UFC is horrible at promoting fighters. Unless they can shit talk. The UFC is just useless.

Dude from Ohio, who happens to moonlight as a Paramedic/firefighter. And he's knocking out the biggest names in the sport, in the FIRST fuckin round. One win away from a UFC record.

If you can't sell that. You're not very good at your fuckin job.

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I'm certain the last guy they built from ground up was Rashad Evans.
 
Goonerview said:
My bottom line is, you don't get what you deserve ... you get what you negotiate.

Be man enough to ask for more.
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Yea i guess but the UFC needs to be smart enough to not give in and pay him what he's worth.

Not what people who do not look at all of the numbers think he should have.
 
Strip Stipe of the belt if he refuses to fight. The A-Hole needs to fulfill his contract and then negotiate a new contract.
 
BVG said:
But I thought conors success was great for fighter pay?
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I'm pretty sure the UFC can strip him for refusal to fight if he already has a contract. The only question is if they will.
 
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