Stipe’s win over Frank looking pretty good right now

Koro_11 said:
Last nights supposed loss was more of a win, and no one did shit in that black beast fight, so definitely wasn’t beaten, but in the first Stipe fight, he was beat to the punch standing, and completely dominated on the ground.

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By that logic, Struve/JDS > Miocic.
 
RonDante said:
What agenda? You’re the one trying to basically write off ngannou losing every round to stipe cause he was “green” even though the only improvements he showed were 3 years later when he rematches the same guy who declined much more than ngannou improved
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What agenda? He made a ton of improvements you just didn't see it because his fights were so quick. He even said most people dont know what he can do because of
MartinGibson86 said:
What was the Lewis fight, then?

That was the new improved, learned Frank lol


He learned how to be gunshy and fearful i guess
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Yeah because his improvement and learning started and stopped between his fight with stipe and the fight with lewis. the lewis fight was him still learning but also being mentally off from his previous fight. I'll hand it to you guys though. Francis learned nothing from the stipe fight and made no improvements lol no one believes this. Not even stipe fans.

Either way I got things to do man. You guys will spend all day going back and forth. I dont have the time to waste .
 
Tweak896 said:
People are acting like winning the striking with a wrestling gameplan like Stipe did in the 1st fight is the same as winning the boxing match. There's a reason Stipe was diving for takedowns like his life depended on it, it wasn't because he was better on the feet.
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It's MMA. Recognizing where you hold the biggest advantage over your opponent and exploiting it is part of the game.

Ironically Stipe wanted to stand with everyone but Ngannou in his career.
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You sure about that?

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Did the same thing to Beltran, too. Stipe averages two takedowns landed per 15 minutes. That run where he was getting nothing but early KOs sort of skewed his stats; the guy is not afraid to shoot early and often. He attempted 18 TDs against JDS the first time. Combined for something like ten attempts against DC in their trilogy -- some successful, most not.

Ngannou 1 is just the performance that stands out in everyone's mind as the time when the boxer had the most success putting on his old wrestling shoes because it had the biggest spotlight on it.
 
RonDante said:
Why not?
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A lot of guys lie about opponents theyre supposed to face or guys that supposedly ducked. Theres reason to lie. Francis wasn't stating he was supposed to fight someone/someone ducked. He was explaining his career progression and what he's learned. Theres no reason for a guy to lie about something like that. But yeah, he must have been making it up when he said that he learned a ton from the fight .
 
moongaze said:
A lot of guys lie about opponents theyre supposed to face or guys that supposedly ducked. Theres reason to lie. Francis wasn't stating he was supposed to fight someone/someone ducked. He was explaining his career progression and what he's learned. Theres no reason for a guy to lie about something like that. But yeah, he must have been making it up when he said that he learned a ton from the fight .
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I’m talking about stipe saying he’s the best prepared he’s ever been
 
TheBulge said:
Prime Stipe is the best HW we've ever seen. Only prime JDS could beat him and maybe Ubereem had a shot. Ngannou has a puncher's chance against anybody.

Also anybody who thinks the lean, light, old Stipe coming off 3 DC wars was anywhere near his prime when Ngannou beat him is as stupid as those who think Ngannou was "green" as a 31 year old knock out artist on a 6-0 run in the UFC including KO's over all time greats Arlovski and Overeem.
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Another hater that lacks the most basic logic :

- So when Ngannou destroys a 38 years old Stipe = out of prime.

- When a 35 years old Stipe got destroyed by a 39 years old DC = nothing to see here.

As for Ngannou, he lost against Stipe when he was with his fromer french coach. When he fought Stipe with his former french coach, MMA wasn't even a legal sport in France, yet Ngannou had to train in France.

Still i'm OK with this argument. I prefer to say less experienced than green.
 
Yellowcrab said:
Another hater that lacks the most basic logic :

- So when Ngannou destroys a 38 years old Stipe = out of prime.

- When a 35 years old Stipe got destroyed by a 39 years old DC = nothing to see here.

As for Ngannou, he lost against Stipe when he was with his fromer french coach. When he fought Stipe with his former french coach, MMA wasn't even a legal sport in France, yet Ngannou had to train in France.

Still i'm OK with this argument. I prefer to say less experienced than green.
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Listen meatball, I'm a fan of both Stipe and Ngannou. Yes it's possible, not every idiot on here hates on and likes another fighter. You could learn a thing or two from that. Just stating facts. Stipe was much closer to beating the best version of Ngannou than vice versa, and with the best versions of both Stipe Miocic would win.

Your comparison makes no sense. And DC didn't "destroy" Stipe, he poked him in the eye and then caught him on that blind side with a sneaky punch.
 
TheBulge said:
Listen meatball, I'm a fan of both Stipe and Ngannou.
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Nobody cares.

Stipe was much closer to beating the best version of Ngannou than vice versa, and with the best versions of both Stipe Miocic would win.
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If their second fight was competitive, you could have made a relevant argument, except that he was crushed by Ngannou so it's bullshit.

You can't explain such a disparity by any rational argument, except that Ngannou became a better fighter.

Your comparison makes no sense. And DC didn't "destroy" Stipe, he poked him in the eye and then caught him on that blind side with a sneaky punch.
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My comparison makes a lot of sense because you use the out of prime argument in a completely biased way, completing hidding the fact that Miocic got destroyed by a 39 years old Cormier and could only beat a Cormier even older than that + with back surgery.

Also, here's the actual cheater (when something actually happened surrounded by cameras, you find the evidence, but too bad you can't find any about DC) :

 
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Yellowcrab said:
Another hater that lacks the most basic logic :

- So when Ngannou destroys a 38 years old Stipe = out of prime.

- When a 35 years old Stipe got destroyed by a 39 years old DC = nothing to see here.

As for Ngannou, he lost against Stipe when he was with his fromer french coach. When he fought Stipe with his former french coach, MMA wasn't even a legal sport in France, yet Ngannou had to train in France.

Still i'm OK with this argument. I prefer to say less experienced than green.
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Dude, he was 6-0 in the UFC. He had ample training resources lol

MMA wasnt legal in NY for years
 
moongaze said:
What agenda? He made a ton of improvements you just didn't see it because his fights were so quick. He even said most people dont know what he can do because of



Yeah because his improvement and learning started and stopped between his fight with stipe and the fight with lewis. the lewis fight was him still learning but also being mentally off from his previous fight. I'll hand it to you guys though. Francis learned nothing from the stipe fight and made no improvements lol no one believes this. Not even stipe fans.

Either way I got things to do man. You guys will spend all day going back and forth. I dont have the time to waste .
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He learned a diamond chin lol


Seriously, Stipe fucking tattoo'd him right before the ko. Peobably as hard as hes hit anyone.

Stipe attempted one TD.

"Mentally off"??? Thats a good one. Probly mentally off because of the 50-40 mauling Stipe put on him
 
Yellowcrab said:
Nobody cares.
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People care more about my post than any human has ever cared about your entire life in this universe.

If their second fight was competitive, you could have made a relevant argument, except that he was crushed by Ngannou so it's bullshit.

You can't explain such a disparity by any rational argument, except that Ngannou became a better fighter.
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If their first fight was competitive, you could have made a relevant argument, except that Ngannou was crushed by Stipe so it's bullshit.

You can't explain such a disparity by any rational argument, except that Stipe became old, lost weight and was washed up from 3 DC wars in their rematch.



My comparison makes a lot of sense because you use the out of prime argument in a completely biased way, completing hidding the fact that Miocic got destroyed by a 39 years old Cormier and could only beat a Cormier even older than that + with back surgery.

Also, here's the actual cheater (when something actually happened surrounded by cameras, you find the evidence, but too bad you can't find any about DC) :

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Here it is.

Now tighten that nose around your neck next time you jump off that chair. Don't fake it for attention, make sure it actually works. I'm actually seriously not kidding, sincerely.
 
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