Stipe’s win over Frank looking pretty good right now

[RonDante]

Not that great of a win when you consider how raw francis was


He was knocking out guys on the backend of their career on his ascension. Theres a big difference between facing a faded overeem and facing the champion. What green fighter gets a title shot? One that competes in a division as shallow as heavyweight has been historically. Look at brock for example.

Being green is a better excuse because an older fighter has more experience and you can say they have more skills from the time and work put in. Experience>little experience. Stipe was older but was the same as far as having the same skillset. He also had his best performance the fight before facing francis.

Except ngannou had been boxing for 10 years and training mma for 5 by the time he fought stipe. And stipe was never the most skilled heavyweight, so you take a stipe that struggled to take down ngannou when they were fresh, you shrink him down, you send him through 3 wars and age him up, perfect recipe for ngannou still in his prime to knock him out

 

[RonDante]

no shit. i'm pointing out how retarded that logic is, and how you can keep going backwards to find examples to support such a stupid ass statement. who gives a fuck if stipe beat ngannou 5-6 years ago? what relevancy does that have now? ngannou revenged that loss and absolutely flattened stipe. LOL. you don't have an argument. you have some sort of bizarre ass way of thinking where, "well akchually, stipe is better." LOL

Ngannou faced a weaker, smaller, less durable, less powerful stipe at 38 and you think that that what, erases the first fight? It’s like saying tito finishing liddell makes up for losing to him when chuck was in his prime

 

[Killer Kadoogan]

They've fought a total of 7 rounds. Stipe dominated 5

They're 1-1

 

[moongaze]

Stipes takedown ratio was less against Ngannou in the first fight than his career average. This idea that Ngannou didn't have good TDD in the first fight is BS.

Stipes takedown ratio was less against Ngannou in the first fight than his career average. This idea that Ngannou didn't have good TDD in the first fight is BS.

It's more about him gassing and being unprepared in his approach to the fight. His takedown defense was ok until he gasses. That's where the green comes from. The preperation. Not ever fighting at that level...championship level. Francis states the loss was the best thing that happened to him and he learned more in the loss than he did in all his fights before. That in itself proves that he was green. Years later the second fight was completely different.

You want to hang on to the notion that francis was at his peak so bad to legitimize stipes win. I know its hurting you.

 

[Killer Kadoogan]

Ngannou faced a weaker, smaller, less durable, less powerful stipe at 38 and you think that that what, erases the first fight? It’s like saying tito finishing liddell makes up for losing to him when chuck was in his prime

do you have an inner monologue?

 

[RonDante]

do you have an inner monologue?

Do you realise stipe was the worst version he’s ever been when ngannou beat him?

 

[moongaze]

Ngannou faced a weaker, smaller, less durable, less powerful stipe at 38 and you think that that what, erases the first fight? It’s like saying tito finishing liddell makes up for losing to him when chuck was in his prime

Smaller? Yes, but that's because he felt it was the best size for him to fight at. Weaker? How do you know he was weaker and less powerful? He was basically the same guy that fought francis the first time. He just didnt have the advantage of facing someone without the experience in that position of a title fight. He wasn't fighting a wild brawler that gassed in the second fight. That's why he didn't look as powerful. Prior to the second fight, stipe had his best performance and looked his best against DC 2. Stop crying.

 

[Deleted member 110072]

Except ngannou had been boxing for 10 years and training mma for 5 by the time he fought stipe. And stipe was never the most skilled heavyweight, so you take a stipe that struggled to take down ngannou when they were fresh, you shrink him down, you send him through 3 wars and age him up, perfect recipe for ngannou still in his prime to knock him out

Ngannou had been around for awhile but prior to Stipe he'd been able to blow though pretty much everyone he'd fought, I think a classic case of someone who just wasnt ready for an opponent he couldnt blow though quickly.

Stipe was probably a bit worse for the rematch but I think Francis was obviously far better, able to fight in a more measured fashion and not give Stipe the openings he had in the original match.

 

[moongaze]

Do you realise stipe was the worst version he’s ever been when ngannou beat him?

That's why he said he was in his best shape and was coming off his best performance vs DC? Stipe wasn't at his worst. Francis was at his best.

 

[MartinGibson86]

It's more about him gassing and being unprepared in his approach to the fight. His takedown defense was ok until he gasses. That's where the green comes from. The preperation. Not ever fighting at that level...championship level. Francis states the loss was the best thing that happened to him and he learned more in the loss than he did in all his fights before. That in itself proves that he was green. Years later the second fight was completely different.

You want to hang on to the notion that francis was at his peak so bad to legitimize stipes win. I know its hurting you.

Yea he learned how to be tentative af in his very next fight against Lewis lol


Stipe fought DC 3x before the rematch


"Derr Frank SAID he learned a lot" lol

 

[infinite666]

Last nights supposed loss was more of a win, and no one did shit in that black beast fight, so definitely wasn’t beaten, but in the first Stipe fight, he was beat to the punch standing, and completely dominated on the ground.

Did you watch their rematch?

 

[RonDante]

Smaller? Yes, but that's because he felt it was the best size for him to fight at. Weaker? How do you know he was weaker and less powerful? He was basically the same guy that fought francis the first time. He just didnt have the advantage of facing someone without the experience in that position of a title fight. He wasn't fighting a wild brawler that gassed in the second fight. That's why he didn't look as powerful. Prior to the second fight, stipe had his best performance and looked his best against DC 2. Stop crying.

He came in looking to wrestle ngannou, so his best size was 12 pounds smaller than the first fight, where he also struggled to take down ngannou? He wasn’t the same guy becuase he had been knocked out, then went through 2 absolute wars with DC. Ngannou didn’t gas until the late 2nd round of the first fight, so you’re telling me that (in a hypothetical) if in the second fight, he had gassed and stipe managed to steal the last 3 rounds with wrestling, would you say green ngannou again? He gassed becuase he’s 265 pounds of muscle and 6 foot 5, the second fight just didn’t go on long enough to see it

 

[Killer Kadoogan]

Do you realise stipe was the worst version he’s ever been when ngannou beat him?

why does that matter? a victory 5-6 years ago. what is your point? that stipe won 5-6 years ago? OK? do you have an inner monologue? Can you picture an apple in your mind, or is that impossible for you to do?

 

[RonDante]

That's why he said he was in his best shape and was coming off his best performance vs DC? Stipe wasn't at his worst. Francis was at his best.

So we trust the fighters words exactly? When Charles says it wasn’t him against Islam, and dariush says the same about fighting Charles, it’s the truth?

 

[moongaze]

Yea he learned how to be tentative af in his very next fight against Lewis lol


Stipe fought DC 3x between the rematches.


"Derr Frank SAID he learned a lot" lol

riiiiiight. His learning started and stopped up to the fight with Lewis.

From his own words francis said he learned more in his first fight with stipe than he did his entire career. That in itself tells you how green he was up to that point. But yeah man that was peak francis that stipe held on to and couldnt put away while sustaining arguably equal damage than he lent out.

 

[moongaze]

So we trust the fighters words exactly? When Charles says it wasn’t him against Islam, and dariush says the same about fighting Charles, it’s the truth?

I trust his words more than some internet loser with an agenda. Why would he lie in that situation? Youre grasping at straws. Dude said it was the biggest learning lesson of his career but yeah he must be lying because you said so.

 

[Vil7]

Stipe's boxing has just always been underrated. Got the better of prime(ish) JDS like 10 years ago, ko'd Werdum with a backpeddling counter, beat D.C. with hooks to the body, best up Francis for 25 minutes and got the better of most exchanges, etc.

His jab, cross, hook to the body combinations were so pretty. I was glad Stipe got that finish after Cormier turned into a zombie walking eye gouger.

 

[RonDante]

i mean, there's an order of events. stipe fans/ufc shills/corporate employees are trying to hold this one win, 5 years ago, as some sort of proof that stipe is the better boxer today. even though after that, ngannou flatlined his ass. 5-6 years ago, in a MMA match, with the threat of the takedown, stipe looked good. but ngannou already revenged that loss and KO'd him cold. something stipe never did. shill harder and cope.

You’re claiming that becuase ngannou beat the worst stipe we’ve ever seen, that he’s better than stipe, and that takedown threat is why stipe outstruck ngannou in the early rounds, even though ngannou didn’t adjust to the threat at all and just kept swinging

 

[moongaze]

So we trust the fighters words exactly? When Charles says it wasn’t him against Islam, and dariush says the same about fighting Charles, it’s the truth?

not even anywhere close to the same thing.

 

[RonDante]

I trust his words more than some internet loser with an agenda. Why would he lie in that situation? Youre grasping at straws. Dude said it was the biggest learning lesson of his career but yeah he must be lying because you said so.

What agenda? You’re the one trying to basically write off ngannou losing every round to stipe cause he was “green” even though the only improvements he showed were 3 years later when he rematches the same guy who declined much more than ngannou improved