Star Wars

[Aegon Spengler]

The nuttiest thing about Rose stopping Finn from Russel Case sacrifice play is that she could have easily killed herself and Finn in the process. One of those actions in a film that makes absolutely no sense unless the character has access to the future or the script to know that everything that needs to go right will go right.

I was thinking something similar when watching the remake of The Magnificent Seven recently (and it's an awesome Fuqua film)

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Chris Pratt's character resolves himself to take out the gatling gun that is wreaking havoc on the good guys. His plan is basically to get close enough to light dynamite and blow up the gun. What basically happens is that he gets close, gets shot more than once, then the villains mock him as he is slumped over, barely alive. He puts a cigarette in his mouth, seemingly asking for one last smoke and one of the villains obliges him and lights it. But Pratt, skilled at sleight of hand, instead uses it to light the dynamite and blows up the gatling and several of the villains.

Heroic moment. But it had me thinking- at any point in that sequence, he could have got one shot killed, head shotted and then his plan is completely thwarted. Everything had to work out just right for that to even make sense or work. But I can give Pratt's character and the logic there at least some credit because it was full on desperation move. Film adequately conveyed that they would all die anyway if he couldn't pull that off so you might as well go for it.

But with Rose/Finn it was inane and actually kind of selfish. What if Finn actually could take out that canon? Chances are he was going to get murked before he even got close, but suppose there was a chance he could do so and save everyone. Rose took that chance away and also nearly killed herself and could have killed Finn.

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She risked her life to save him. It makes perfect sense for a heroic character to attempt something like that. This is not one of those “that makes no sense” kind of moments in a film. It’s in fact quite consistent narratively and and based on what we know about Rose’s character and drives.

 

[looktwice]

Never seen it, never will.

 

[Mike]

The prequels were an abomination and are barely even movies. They are more like a collection of video game cut takes loosely inspired by Star Wars.

The news ones are at least coherent movies. They have a rational progression and characters decisions make sense. Luke betraying what he used to be is something believable. It happens to lots of young idealists as they age.

Luke changing wasn't the issue. It was the lack of any reason or context. He literally did a complete 180 and they didn't even say things happened offscreen to cause that change. One brief flashback that still doesn't make much sense. Maybe they could have cut back on some of the other REALLY stupid subplots and fleshed out Luke's backstory more.

 

[ShinkanPo]

The last intended Star Wars was Episode III. The story ends with Return of the Jedi. They had a chance to expand on that but blew it.

A saga of modern mythology who's cultural significance is in danger of irreparable damage by sub-par movie cash grabs.

This


There is so much bullshit in TFA and TLJ.


Fuck Mass Kanata I hate that character now.

 

[ShinkanPo]

Luke changing wasn't the issue. It was the lack of any reason or context. He literally did a complete 180 and they didn't even say things happened offscreen to cause that change. One brief flashback that still doesn't make much sense. Maybe they could have cut back on some of the other REALLY stupid subplots and fleshed out Luke's backstory more.

Did we ever get to learn how Mass Kanata the fuck get a hold of Luke's/Ana boy's Light Saber?


Or they are just so cheap and just wanted that Saber to there just for Nostalhia$ sake?

I feel like SW is starting to become a parodydy of it self.

 

[ShinkanPo]

Samuel Jackson's GOAT Character. He is the only reason 80% of All Star Wars even watch the movies at all. Mace Chopped Jango's Head off with a single swing.

And beat Sidious in a Saber duel.


Vapaad mother fucker!

 

[BisexualMMA]

I actually liked the prequels. Granted they had some terrible parts but nothing as bad as the Ewoks.

Prequels had me begging for the sensible, coherent maturity of the Ewoks.

 

[BisexualMMA]

Did we ever get to learn how Mass Kanata the fuck get a hold of Luke's/Ana boy's Light Saber?

Maybe she won it playing Call of Duty or whatever the fuck she was doing in that selfie Skype chat in The Last Jedi.

 

[ShinkanPo]

That point in ANH where Luke is zeroing in on the chasm and Kenobi's voice speaks to him and urges him to use the force gets me amped every time. Great moment.

Yep in the force theme plays in the background..


Pure awesome...


I feel the force theme is under rated

 

[Mike]

Did we ever get to learn how Mass Kanata the fuck get a hold of Luke's/Ana boy's Light Saber?


Or they are just so cheap and just wanted that Saber to there just for Nostalhia$ sake?

I feel like SW is starting to become a parodydy of it self.

All those plot points set up during TFA were just buried or shit on in TLJ. Some people seem OK with that, and I'm not sure how. I've even heard the reasoning that Abrams answers would have been stupid, or he had no answers planned. When we know that he left notes and materials for RJ and he just set them on fire because he could.


Maybe those questions would have had stupid answers, maybe great ones, we'll never know now.

 

[Mike]

Maybe she won it playing Call of Duty or whatever the fuck she was doing in that selfie Skype chat in The Last Jedi.

Haha that shit bugged me too. They call her and she's in the middle of a pitched battle, and nobody seems to know why or give a shit. Stuff Happening, the movie.

 

[ShinkanPo]

Maybe she won it playing Call of Duty or whatever the fuck she was doing in that selfie Skype chat in The Last Jedi.

Haha funny scene but felt out of place in a way.


Hey did you ever watch The Clone Wars CGI animation series?

One thing that really triggered me in that series is the fact that there are a bunch episode featuring Jar Jar.

I was like WTF The series started airing in 2008 and Jar Jar got shit on since 1999. Now Why the fuck Dave Felony would still include Jar Jar in that series.


Are they really trying to annoy the fans? Are they fucking autistic?

 

[Hardshins]

Prequels had me begging for the sensible, coherent maturity of the Ewoks.

Some people have a religious zealot hatred for the prequels.The prequels aren't that bad. No one hates star wars more than star wars fans .... Ironic

 

[BisexualMMA]

Some people have a religious zealot hatred for the prequels.The prequels aren't that bad. No one hates star wars more than star wars fans .... Ironic
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Rian Johnson hates it more.

 

[TheSlothMan]

She risked her life to save him. It makes perfect sense for a heroic character to attempt something like that. This is not one of those “that makes no sense” kind of moments in a film. It’s in fact quite consistent narratively and and based on what we know about Rose’s character and drives.

Well, it certainly fits her character of being a moron.

What would have made this scene really great is if while she's giving her stupid speech to Finn about sacrificing yourself for people you love, the cannon fired and just obliterated all of what remained of the rebels.

 

[Mike]

They focused pretty intently on that. He nearly murdered his nephew, because of a vision he had. His nephew had an overwhelming darkness inside him. He even murdered his own father.

When they revealed that I found myself thinking about Han’s death...imagining Han and Leia honouring old Ben Kenobi by naming their son after him. The happiness of that moment, the hope for the future that he represented. Then for Luke to see him as a monster...Luke changed his mind at the last minute but it was too late. “Once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny”.
His mistake cost his students their lives and drove Ben into a violent rage. All this after all Luke had accomplished.

I do still think the old Luke we remember would never have given up, never stopped trying... seeing as he still saw good in his father even after his father stood by and watched a planet get blown up and had the power to prevent it - but giving up on yourself:hating yourself vs giving up on someone else are very different, and it happens all the time. It makes sense, even though it’s sad and not what anyone wanted to see. The skywalkers are doomed to tragedy.

There’s also room for more. I’m sure we will learn more about Lukes choices post attempted nepoticide in the next film as well.

Yeah but Ren hadn't done anything yet when Luke tried to murk him. Having Luke turn emo and say he regrets it, in no way changes that it's completely out of character for him. This is a guy that never stopped trying to redeem Vader, and was willing to die against the emperor and let evil win, rather than betray his ideals.


Maybe something happened that changed him. Maybe he became full of himself after becoming the last of the jedi. Maybe a leadership role just wasn't for him. Maybe, like a lot of good people, he struggled to maintain his own sense of goodness without evil to fight. Maybe he took a wife and had a kid and they died. There are many, many reasons they could have set up and left largely offscreen, where you could still say I can buy that. That COULD drastically change someone.


The problem is, they don't even bother to try. Like many other areas in the movie, important details are left onscreen for you to fill in with your imagination. Meanwhile, precious screen time is devoured by dumbshit retarded plotlines like Holdo vs Poe, or The Adventures Of Plucky Asian On Casino Planet. Cut some of that goofy nonsense down, and spend 10 minutes explaining wtf happened to change Luke into an entirely different person.

 

[IIIIIIII]

hahaha. thank you.

 

[BisexualMMA]

Hey did you ever watch The Clone Wars CGI animation series?

One thing that really triggered me in that series is the fact that there are a bunch episode featuring Jar Jar.

I was like WTF The series started airing in 2008 and Jar Jar got shit on since 1999. Now Why the fuck Dave Felony would still include Jar Jar in that series.

Are they really trying to annoy the fans? Are they fucking autistic?

Nah, I've never seen any of the series. They shouldn't have doubled down on Jar Jar. It was the wrong thing to do.

I did see the Christmas special though. That's the only thing I've ever seen other than the movies.

 

[Mike]

Well, it certainly fits her character of being a moron.

What would have made this scene really great is if while she's giving her stupid speech to Finn about sacrificing yourself for people you love, the cannon fired and just obliterated all of what remained of the rebels.

I did legit laugh when she makes her stupid speech about love, and he looks at her like a crazy bitch he met on tinder. Love.... I don't even know you. Our entire journey is me trying to get back to this other girl I'm tryin to bang

 

[Mike]

Nah, I've never seen any of the series. They shouldn't have doubled down on Jar Jar. It was the wrong thing to do.

I did see the Christmas special though. That's the only thing I've ever seen other than the movies.

You ever play the Kotor games? Can't remember if you're much of a gamer. They have a better story than the prequels or the new trilogy