STAR WARS: THE LAST JEDI

[jlagman]

Youre smoking crack. Theres nothing redeemable by this shit movie. Its not like shit turns to gold later. This movie has no redeemable qualities and is the worst star wars film ever made

 

[jlagman]

This.

This was one of the worst films out to date. Fan boys accept everything that is star wars and will praise it no matter what

From my observations, the fan boys tend to be the ones saying, "They turned one of my icons into a pussy; they ruined my childhood!!!"

 

[Tiny]

Because as much as I initially enjoyed TFA, I didn't like the direction it was taking the new trilogy; a remake of the original trilogy. The only vaguely "enticing" things that they included in TFA ended up being red herrings in TLJ, which is part of why I liked it so much. Fuck Snoke's back story, fuck Rey's parentage, I saw those as nothing more than fan service and geek bait.

I hated Kylo Ren's character until, in TLJ, he stepped out of Vader's shadow and became his own villain.

I liked how Luke, rather than becoming some fan service, OP, secret weapon was reintroduced as a disillusioned curmudgeon, who eventually rises up to the occasion, becomes a martyr and gives the resistance their inspirational second wind. To me, that's a much better character development than a one-demnsional improvement over his former self. He goes through peaks and valleys, which give his character more depth and his decision to ultimately rejoin the light side, that much more meaningful.

Don't get me wrong, I see the flaws too, like why did Luke make a secret map if he never wanted to be found? Why didn't Admiral Holdo just tell Poe her plan in secret, the remainder of the fleet would have been better for it. How, when they've got limited fuel and time, did they manage a side mission onto the casino planet? Sure, they're problems, but it doesn't take away from my ultimate enjoyment of the movie.

As for how you felt, I'm not here to change your mind. I'm criticizing the criticisms.

Tommy Wiseau...is that you?

 

[Social Distance Warrior]

Because as much as I initially enjoyed TFA, I didn't like the direction it was taking the new trilogy; a remake of the original trilogy. The only vaguely "enticing" things that they included in TFA ended up being red herrings in TLJ, which is part of why I liked it so much. Fuck Snoke's back story, fuck Rey's parentage, I saw those as nothing more than fan service and geek bait.

I hated Kylo Ren's character until, in TLJ, he stepped out of Vader's shadow and became his own villain.

I liked how Luke, rather than becoming some fan service, OP, secret weapon was reintroduced as a disillusioned curmudgeon, who eventually rises up to the occasion, becomes a martyr and gives the resistance their inspirational second wind. To me, that's a much better character development than a one-demnsional improvement over his former self. He goes through peaks and valleys, which give his character more depth and his decision to ultimately rejoin the light side, that much more meaningful.

Don't get me wrong, I see the flaws too, like why did Luke make a secret map if he never wanted to be found? Why didn't Admiral Holdo just tell Poe her plan in secret, the remainder of the fleet would have been better for it. How, when they've got limited fuel and time, did they manage a side mission onto the casino planet? Sure, they're problems, but it doesn't take away from my ultimate enjoyment of the movie.

As for how you felt, I'm not here to change your mind. I'm criticizing the criticisms.

Disagree with most of this, but I see (somewhat) where you're coming .
from...

I can appreciate a director/film maker taking a unite and or different direction. ..if it's done well, and not in a half assed , terribly contradictory fashion..

Logan is a great example of a different approach that worked...because of the effective character development, story line etc.

Regarding kylo ren, I go back and forth on him. I can appreciate the depth of his character because he's emotionally conflicted , has daddy issues , etc...

Kylo is essentially the Severus Snape of star wars .

 

[TheSlothMan]

well, at least now we know who two of the 13 dipshits who voted "great" are.

LOL.

Complete fucking idiots I tell you. I guarantee they liked all the Transformers movies as well.

Hey! I enjoyed some of the Transformers movies so don't insult me and my fellow Transformers fans by lumping us together with fans of the fucking terrible Last Jedi!

I liked how Luke, rather than becoming some fan service, OP, secret weapon was reintroduced as a disillusioned curmudgeon, who eventually rises up to the occasion, becomes a martyr and gives the resistance their inspirational second wind.

Lol what resistance? At the end of the movie it looked like there were about 10 members of the resistance left and no one else in the galaxy responded to their distress signal.

 

[jlagman]

Disagree with most of this, but I see (somewhat) where you're coming .
from...

I can appreciate a director/film maker taking a unite and or different direction. ..if it's done well, and not in a half assed , terribly contradictory fashion..

Logan is a great example of a different approach that worked...because of the effective character development, story line etc.

Regarding kylo ren, I go back and forth on him. I can appreciate the depth of his character because he's emotionally conflicted , has daddy issues , etc...

Kylo is essentially the Severus Snape of star wars .

Kylo Ren started out as an angsty, whiney Vader wannabe and his little temper tantrums did little to convince me he was remotely worthy of taking up the Vader mantle. The only remotely interesting part of his character was that he was consiously fighting the remaining good left in him, but again, just made him even more of a wannabe.

For me, prior to Kylo and Rey teaming up against, whatever the fuck the red imperial guards are called now, and especially considering that Rey was knowingly fucking around with the dark side, I was almost convinced at the possibility of a double-turn, which resulted in strengthening each respective characters' resolve in the path they had originally chosen. After shedding his mask and Vader like personna, he did what Vader failed to do initially; kill his boss.

Ultimately, I also liked how the film blurred the lines; it somewhat did away with the overly simplistic black hats vs white hats trope. Each of the main characters did quite a bit of dabbling in elements of the other side, which was eluded to earlier during Rey's "reach out" scene, where she discovered both elements of light and dark being a part of life. And when each character finally reverts back to their initial side, after a brief alliance, they've done so on their own accord, after experiencing elements of their polar opposites.

 

[KONG-D'SNT-TAP]

The Last Jedi belongs in the same shit pile as Transformers, Independence Day 2, X-Men Apocalypse, and Alien Covenant.

The fact that you guys are defending this film, pretending it had so coherent story, good acting, etc is ridiculous.

No I wouldn’t say that. Not because the story was weak but because the movie was beautifully filmed.

Amazing set pieces, wardrobe, and cinematography. Use of colors was nice.

From a technical stand point the cinematics were damn good. The problem is the story stunk


In fact it's the most beautifully shot out of all the films. But that story line. Yikes.

 

[jlagman]

Tommy Wiseau...is that you?

I gotta give you credit for your detailed and eloquent rebuttal.

 

[jlagman]

The difference between Palpatine and Snoke is there wasn't an established universe before the OT. Since there are 6 previous films, people want to know how they tie in together, and exposition is a part of that. It's basic storytelling.

How many people, prior to the prequel trilogy and who didn't geek out and read EU, really gave a fuck about Palpatine's origins? Don't get me wrong, the prequels actually made me appreciate Palpatine more and I thought he was one of the stand outs, but who really delved that deeply into his back story? Sometimes, mystery is appealing, sometimes we don't need to see Michael Myers abused as a child, to then grow up as a deranged, nearly supernatural serial killer.

As for Snoke, his death is what made Kylo Ren actually likable for me; he succeeded where Vader failed as a villain, killed his boss and took over his position.

 

[Strange King]

From my observations, the fan boys tend to be the ones saying, "They turned one of my icons into a pussy; they ruined my childhood!!!"

Naw fan boys dont care how shitty a movie is. This movie has so many things wrong with it they overlook it. Thats a fan boy

 

[Strange King]

How many people, prior to the prequel trilogy and who didn't geek out and read EU, really gave a fuck about Palpatine's origins? Don't get me wrong, the prequels actually made me appreciate Palpatine more and I thought he was one of the stand outs, but who really delved that deeply into his back story? Sometimes, mystery is appealing, sometimes we don't need to see Michael Myers abused as a child, to then grow up as a deranged, nearly supernatural serial killer.

As for Snoke, his death is what made Kylo Ren actually likable for me; he succeeded where Vader failed as a villain, killed his boss and took over his position.

His death was one of the stupidest things of the film. He can feel his emotions but cyke i got fooled by some emotional fuck

 

[KONG-D'SNT-TAP]

The Last Jedi was a hue let down but let’s be honest here, it was the most beautifully filmed Star Wars movie to date.

That doesn’t save the film though

 

[jlagman]

His death was one of the stupidest things of the film. He can feel his emotions but cyke i got fooled by some emotional fuck

And Palpatine, the all powerful, dark side emperor, got thrown off a fucking railing by a one-handed Vader on life support. But he gets a pass for not seeing that coming, because he was distracted by the hero, right?

 

[Strange King]

Disagree with most of this, but I see (somewhat) where you're coming .
from...

I can appreciate a director/film maker taking a unite and or different direction. ..if it's done well, and not in a half assed , terribly contradictory fashion..

Logan is a great example of a different approach that worked...because of the effective character development, story line etc.

Regarding kylo ren, I go back and forth on him. I can appreciate the depth of his character because he's emotionally conflicted , has daddy issues , etc...

Kylo is essentially the Severus Snape of star wars .

Kylo has no depth at all. every movie hes had different issues and hes never solved any of them. Thats where the story sucks. It never fleshes out anything on anyone but tries to leave it to your interpretation, which is asinine because we dont have enough to work with.

The olders films gave a point and followed it to the end. This film starts off leading us down a path with a dead end in the 2nd film but tries to say be excited for the next tunnel to go down.

All we know is that kylo is a bitch and cant beat rey. Rey is unstoppable. There is no reason behind anything

 

[Strange King]

And Palpatine, the all powerful, dark side emperor, got thrown off a fucking railing by a one-handed Vader on life support. But he gets a pass for not seeing that coming, because he was distracted by the hero, right?

Yes he was fucking luke up, he didnt get killed by a trick he got killed by a badass vader. big difference. No wonder you liked this shitty film

 

[jlagman]

Yes he was fucking luke up, he didnt get killed by a trick he got killed by a badass vader. big difference. No wonder you liked this shitty film

Let me guess, you liked his pointless cameo in that shitty, unnecessary Rogue One movie too.

 

[Strange King]

To compare that snoke scene to the of return is insulting

Let me guess, you liked his pointless cameo in that shitty, unnecessary Rogue One movie too.

Of course! everyone loves darth vader. only pretentious douche bags who like the worst star wars hates it.

To compare the snoke scene to the finale of RTJ says it all. What are you still highschool? Those scenes are not comparable in any way. The snoke scene was shitty writing with no depth or consequences to it at all.

 

[minute bull]

I've tried, Brother. I really have. But I don't.

No fucking shit. I been sitting in this little support group y'all running trying to figure out which one's the sexual predator aiming to fuck one y'all while y'all in this sensitive, fragile state. I promise you unless you want it I'll still on that mother fucker fore he gets the chance.

 

[jlagman]

To compare that snoke scene to the of return is insulting


Of course! everyone loves darth vader. only pretentious douche bags who like the worst star wars hates it.

To compare the snoke scene to the finale of RTJ says it all. What are you still highschool? Those scenes are not comparable in any way. The snoke scene was shitty writing with no depth or consequences to it at all.

So what happened between Rogue One and A New Hope, did Vader's space arthritis kick in? Talk about breaking continuity.

Only a pretentious douche, who is a blind fan boy, will only harshly criticize the entry in the series he hates (probably because all of his predictions were wrong and his childhood was destroyed) and give the rest of the series a pass for some of the dumb shit that happened in the past.

 

[Deleted member 110072]

How many people, prior to the prequel trilogy and who didn't geek out and read EU, really gave a fuck about Palpatine's origins? Don't get me wrong, the prequels actually made me appreciate Palpatine more and I thought he was one of the stand outs, but who really delved that deeply into his back story? Sometimes, mystery is appealing, sometimes we don't need to see Michael Myers abused as a child, to then grow up as a deranged, nearly supernatural serial killer.

As for Snoke, his death is what made Kylo Ren actually likable for me; he succeeded where Vader failed as a villain, killed his boss and took over his position.

Part of the problem is how the characters were presented, I don't think we really needed the prequels to have a good idea of the Emperors background, he was an evil force user who had subverted a former democracy. Snoke on the other hand is this character who's suddenly appeared dispite us being told the Sith were finished, taken control of the remains of the Empire and turned the tide against the good guys, that to me demands much more explanation.

Even more importantly I think his role in Kylo's original turn demands much more explanation than Vader's turn did. The original films aren't really about Vader and the motivation we see effecting him saving his son is a perfectly understandable one. Kylo in the sequels though is a character who's motivations are key to the story, why does he turn? why does he kill his father? the answer seems to be "just because".

The problem for me really all goes back to hiring JJ Abrams, that for me was a really cheap copout by Disney.picking a guy who would deliver a safe diversion but had been proven to lack much depth to his work. TFA was basically a nostalgia fest that did very very little to actually build the story/characters/setting.

Abrams generally for me is clearly the most over rated director of the modern era.