STAR WARS: THE LAST JEDI

[Bob Gray]

User scores doesn't mean anything now tho right?

Only when they match what you are trying to push at the moment

Go back and read the post. It's all there for you to see. I never once mentioned internet user review scores.

Again, this is not the thread for a post from a week ago that still haunts you.

 

[TheRuthlessOne]

Go back and read the post. It's all there for you to see. I never once mentioned internet user review scores.

Again, this is not the thread for a post from a week ago that still haunts you.

Fan reception. But that doesn't mean user scores tho right?

No of course not

You are a flip flopping can and I now know to never read anything you type

All of those are good movies. At least if we go by by box office, critic reviews and fan reception. I suppose there's some other metric you're going to bring up that's worth more than all of those.

It's not like Fox has been pumping out all these R rated, adult classics.

 

[Bob Gray]

Fan reception. But that doesn't mean user scores tho right?

No of course not

You are a flip flopping can and I now know to never read anything you type

I can honestly say I hope you never do again. Starting now.

 

[TheRuthlessOne]

I can honestly say I hope you never do again. Starting now.

You are pathetic and dont worry I wont ever respond to you again

 

[Bob Gray]

You are pathetic and dont worry I wont ever respond to you again

Well, that didn't take long. Maybe starting now?

 

[Redhawks100]

The character never really experiences any moral struggle in TFA though and again develops abilities as needed to overcome whatever stands in her way without assistance.

The "handicapping" of Kylo was incredibly cheap for me, its thrown in as an excuse but the film never really commits to it, Kylo doesn't fight like a badly injuried person in the confrontation with Rey and your left with no doubt its her abilities that carry the day.

The core of a Mary Sue is really a character that works almost totally by wish fulfilment which to me is Rey down to a T. The character feels like it belongs more in a Starwars theme park ride to me which I spose you could say means it belongs in TFA which is really along those lines, a film utterly beholden to previous attachment to Starwars. I felt this style of film making was just about tolerable with one Star Trek film as at least there you could argue there was pushing into parody with some character to it but I think has been shown to be terrible at setting up a franchise.

Disney goofed picking JJ as a safe option to pump out a formula film for me when they really needed someone who would try and build up a proper reintroduction to the franchise. Not helped by just how much a load of net comentators where claiming he was suitable for the role.

I never put much in the whole handicap theory but Rey was getting her ass kicked and pushed back until Kylo had her at then edge and offered to teach her. That’s when she closed her eyes and channeled the force to beat Kylo. I feel like it could’ve been established better by JJ but I see it like when Luke destroyed the Death Star and Obi-Wan telepathically tells him to use the force.

TLJ was much worse with the whole “Mary Sue” thing though. The “training” wasn’t enough to explain her destroying multiple Praetorian guards. Rian had the chance to flesh things out and calm the Mary Sue accusations but he didn’t.

 

[Tiny]

I never put much in the whole handicap theory but Rey was getting her ass kicked and pushed back until Kylo had her at then edge and offered to teach her. That’s when she closed her eyes and channeled the force to beat Kylo. I feel like it could’ve been established better by JJ but I see it like when Luke destroyed the Death Star and Obi-Wan telepathically tells him to use the force.

TLJ was much worse with the whole “Mary Sue” thing though. The “training” wasn’t enough to explain her destroying multiple Praetorian guards. Rian had the chance to flesh things out and calm the Mary Sue accusations but he didn’t.

Remember that part where she bests luke the fucking guy she is trying to learn from?

Wasnt that awesome in a not so awesome and rather shitty way?

Libtard sjw fans everywhere celebrated though, im sure.

 

[BisexualMMA]

Remember that part where she bests luke the fucking guy she is trying to learn from?

Wasnt that awesome in a not so awesome and rather shitty way?

Libtard sjw fans everywhere celebrated though, im sure.

Bet you wish somebody had posted a fan theory that Luke would turn out to be pathetic and useless, so Rian Johnson would have felt obliged to prove you couldn't predict that either.

 

[Deleted member 110072]

I never put much in the whole handicap theory but Rey was getting her ass kicked and pushed back until Kylo had her at then edge and offered to teach her. That’s when she closed her eyes and channeled the force to beat Kylo. I feel like it could’ve been established better by JJ but I see it like when Luke destroyed the Death Star and Obi-Wan telepathically tells him to use the force.

TLJ was much worse with the whole “Mary Sue” thing though. The “training” wasn’t enough to explain her destroying multiple Praetorian guards. Rian had the chance to flesh things out and calm the Mary Sue accusations but he didn’t.

Which is really worse for me, basically becoming more competent simply because the plot demands her to "come back". There was never any sense that Luke was anywhere close to Vader in A New Hope, he just about managed to survive(with Hans help) long enough to get off a force assisted shot at the Deathstar whilst Vader was blasting half the Rebel attack by himself. Kylo as a physlogically weaker character than Vader is one thing but in terms of abilities I think Last Jedi was handicapped by what occurred at the end of Force Awakens.

I wouldn't say that Rey killing some guards is on the same level as defeating a well trained Sith and at least we'd seen SOME training of her take place since then. Granted I still think not nearly enough which really feeds into part of the problem with both making her powerful and Luke's story, he doesn't have much to teach her ability wise and Disney or Johnson seem unwilling to really have Luke shift the Jedi towards something else philosophically meaning his isolation has no real purpose but defeatism.

 

[GtehMVP]

Thats a different interpretation of the term than Ive heard, which basically makes it a label put on a character that is basically perfect and never experiences any struggle.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Sue

But in Force Awakens, I dont think she met your criteria. She had help at nearly every turn, and even her victory was when the villain was "handicapped".

Now, in TLJ, she doesnt even need those handicaps. Kylo was trained by fucking Luke Skywalker AND Snoke and Rey seems to be pretty much at his level.

In TFA she's alone but a self sufficient teeny bopper amongst a hive of scum and villainy on Tattooine, errr Jakku. With no training, she beats up multiple men with her staff (doesn't need her hand held btw), flies the Falcon on her first try like a boss, fixes it better than Han, speaks Wookie, uses mind tricks, defeats Kylo by mashing the A button/using only thrusting strikes... She's a strong independent wimmins I tells ya, or as it's also known, another poorly written Mary Sue

I hated her acting in TFA, but she was better in the TLJ, only her character was worse. With a day or two of training at best, she defeats a Jedi Master (Jake), pwns Snoke's elite guards with stellar swordsmanship while needing to save the highly trained Kylo, not to mention she moves/holds untold tons of rubble to wrap this hot mess up.

Rey is a shining example to young girls everywhere. You can come from nothing, do nothing, and still become the most important/powerful person in the world, so long as you have a vagina. Fuck these movies!

 

[KONG-D'SNT-TAP]

Trying to add some positivity to this movie right now instead of the gripe fest we’ve been having.

This movie is cinematically the most beautifully filmed Star Wars movie to date.

Sets, locations, CGI, scene shots, cinematography, score, the colors used all beautifully done in this movie.

 

[GordoBarraBJJ]

I also like How Rey beat Luke . . .

No training at all and she has

Beat Kylo
Beat Luke
Beat and killed some elite guards

All without any formal training.



<{cruzshake}> This movie.

 

[BisexualMMA]

Trying to add some positivity to this movie right now instead of the gripe fest we’ve been having.

This movie is cinematically the most beautifully filmed Star Wars movie to date.

Sets, locations, CGI, scene shots, cinematography, score, the colors used all beautifully done in this movie.

Colors are great, machine, creature and prop design is good and consistent with past films. Sound design is great. Acting is pretty solid throughout. Most of the CGI is great and integrated nicely. The music is good.

But...that still doesn't change the core of the film and its reason(s) for existing in the form it does.

 

[KONG-D'SNT-TAP]

Colors are great, machine, creature and prop design is good and consistent with past films. Sound design is great. Acting is pretty solid throughout. Most of the CGI is great and integrated nicely. The music is good.

But...that still doesn't change the core of the film and its reason(s) for existing in the form it does.

Yes yes Bi I know that but I wanted to add some positivity to the movie.

The things you and I listed were both done exceptionally well.

Cinematically speaking this movie is amazing and the score is much better than Force Awakens.

I don't wanna beat a dead horse you know?

 

[BisexualMMA]

Yes yes Bi I know that but I wanted to add some positivity to the movie.

The things you and I listed were both done exceptionally well.

Cinematically speaking this movie is amazing and the score is much better than Force Awakens.

I don't wanna beat a dead horse you know?

I won't stop you. I don't often view a movie with such disdain, but I think this really is a special case.

 

[GtehMVP]

Colors are great, machine, creature and prop design is good and consistent with past films. Sound design is great. Acting is pretty solid throughout. Most of the CGI is great and integrated nicely. The music is good.

But...that still doesn't change the core of the film and its reason(s) for existing in the form it does.

TLJ really reminds me of Star Wars Battlefront 2. Both look and sound amazing, better than anything I've ever seen from either's medium. Sadly, at their cores are hollow experiences. It's almost poetic with two high profile products from two prominent fields of entertainment, in the same universe, being so shallow.

I agree with the acting too. Rey and Kylo were far better in this film and they have incredible chemistry on screen, as do Finn and Rose. Poe should be growing towards being Han Solo/Wedge 2.0 as a character, but he's nothing but a one dimensional emasculated joke, with Finn and Hux being worse cases. Rose just comes across a token fat diversity chick and don't get me started on Admiral Gender studies. She's such a capable actress and could have become the new Mon Mothma if they let Leia suicide herself instead, though that should have been Admiral Ackbar's role, if only for the Allah Ackbar/it's a trap memes lol

 

[BisexualMMA]

TLJ really reminds me of Star Wars Battlefront 2. Both look and sound amazing, better than anything I've ever seen from either's medium. Sadly, at their cores are hollow experiences. It's almost poetic with two high profile products from two prominent fields of entertainment, in the same universe, being so shallow.

I agree with the acting too. Rey and Kylo were far better in this film and they have incredible chemistry on screen, as do Finn and Rose. Poe should be growing towards being Han Solo/Wedge 2.0 as a character, but he's nothing but a one dimensional emasculated joke, with Finn and Hux being worse cases. Rose just comes across a token fat diversity chick and don't get me started on Admiral Gender studies. She's such a capable actress and could have become the new Mon Mothma if they let Leia suicide herself instead, though that should have been Admiral Ackbar's role, if only for the Allah Ackbar/it's a trap memes lol

I've never played Battlefront 2, or any other Star Wars game for that matter, so I'm not up to speed. What are the criticisms of that game that make it hollow?

 

[YellowBanenoo]

Two dipshits trying to convince themselves that this piece of shit was good.

Raise your fuckin standards. Your like is the reason these movies have gotten worse since the 80s. Your easily sold on a label.

Damn bro

 

[Goonerview]

Also, from TFA, Chewbacca walking past Leia ...

They hadn't met/seen in each other in decades, they saved the entire galaxy together ... but not so much as a "hey".



Did the directors even watch the OT?

 

[BisexualMMA]

Also, from TFA, Chewbacca walking past Leia ...

They hadn't met/seen in each other in decades, they saved the entire galaxy together ... but not so much as a "hey".



Did the directors even watch the OT?