STAR WARS: THE LAST JEDI

[Bonos]

At this point I'd feel a lot better if I knew what Lucas had intended for the last 3 movies, then I could just not care and watch whatever Disney comes up with, without as much expectation for a deep story that meshes.

Or how about this movie finally stopped the everyone is related/small universe nonsense.

You guys just wanted another generic disney machine made film. No worries though, JJ is coming back to save the franchise.

 

[Deleted member 110072]

While it's good to be inclusive .......... there is a such thing as taking a good thing going toooooo far an making it a bad thing. The total focus on girl power is really going to far in the new star wars universe.

Making sure ever nationality is well represented instead of focusing on tbe different species that made the first trilogy so great.

The Poe/Larua Dern plot to me seems like a perfect example of this to me. The idea of conflict between them with Poe being overly gungho and warlike isn't automatically a bad one but what we actually got to me was incredibly poorly written with neither character developed much and a confused irrelevant plot that depends far too much on "look see the arrogant man was wrong!" at the end.

Whilst I'm socially liberial that doesn't mean I can't see the potential for such politics to me used by Hollywood in a cynical fashion to cover a lack of quality.

 

[Lethal]

Can't say I enjoyed the movie at all unfortunately, and I already lowered my expectations after seeing the reviews. I'd go into detail about what problems I had with it, but @Tamriel Terror's post pretty much covers all the issues I had.

The theater I was in groaned during that Leia Space travel scene lol.

The movie get's a 5/10 for me. My reaction to it was "meh." The only thing they did right was the humor, everything else about the film fell short for me.

Like I said in the last thread, they really need to cover The Old Republic Era in the next trilogy. It's an interesting story that rivals the Original Trilogy, with even better characters.

 

[bosox32]

Was anyone else waiting for the reveal that the Vice Admiral was transgender?

Wood....

 

[ufcfan4]

He deserved to absolutely whoop some insane ass before he went out.. I'm talking like that Jedi bunny slash cartoon from some years ago.

He should have lit up an entire level of a ship like Anakin did the trade federation dudes at the end of Sith, after the first order killed Leia.

Here ya go- FADE IN

Leia is killed on one of the rebel ships while Snoke and Ren look on. (It should be noted that Ren did choose the light in not killing his mother, in TLJ, and that that moment has been glossed over in this thread) Luke has received a distress call, but he arrives just after the fateful attack, and sees his twin sister floating frozen and damaged out in space.

Luke crashes his (once sunken in water) x-wing through a window on the side of Snokes ship. He begins a force rage merking up the entire level of the ship, powered by the anger over the death of his twin. Luke's power is amplified, and the force is strong as he deflects laser blasts, and uses the force relentlessly on the outmatched army.

Ren and snoke, seeing what Luke is doing, decide to go on the run in their own ship (for an organic laugh) and then, finally, Luke catches up. Luke, after sustaining some damage, kills snoke after an incredibly intense, but somewhat short, battle. Then it's Kylo Ren's turn.. But Rey has just entered the room. We have a scene similar to the turn scene for Anakin to Vadar in Palpatine's room, only in a larger, colder room. Rey is yelling for the fight to stop.

A short battle between luke and a disinterested Ren occurs, and Ren is bested. Ren Kneels, awaiting the death blow. He begins screaming for it- "Do it uncle Luke! Finish my training! Please!" Rey catches Luke's attention when she screams for him to be spared- "I need him to live!" Luke's eyes glow blue somewhere between Jedi and Sith at the end of his force rage across the ship. Rey is close, and appears ready to intervene and turn on Luke at the strike of a death blow. Ren looks at Rey, sensing her feelings, and seeing in her his potential new partner in lead of the order. A new beginning. Luke winds up..

A voice appears out of the fabric- VADAR, All three hear it- "Luke, your forgiveness saved me. Fear and anger took me to the dark side. Forgiveness in a moment such as this, and belief in the power of the light brought me back. Saved me. Luke, have hope, forgive again, and please don't kill my grandson."

Luke- "He could kill too many, he has too much anger father. It must stop now."

Rey, lightly sobbing- "No."

Ren- "lies! Darth Vadar never returned to the light!"

A new voice. Leia- "Don't kill my little boy, luke. Please."

Luke, after thought, has his eyes dim, and turns off his saber, steps away, and turns his back on Kylo, facing Rey. Looking her right in the eye. Kylo stands.

Looking at rey, speaking loud enough for Ren to hear, LUKE- "Your grandfather did turn to the light, Ben. Your entire family *Rey squints* resides with the light. The power you feel the need to live up to did not pass into the dark; your bloodline is not covered in darkness, and neither are you."

Ren- "I see that now. I can feel what the light did for an injured Vadar. Your forgiveness saved one of the most powerful Sith of all time. Brought him to the light... But your hate for me was so strong, that I, as a child, *saber extends*, needed to be murdered in my sleep!!"

Before the final words were spoken, the move to strike down Luke had begun. *slow motion sequence* Rey makes a move to stop the blow from striking Luke, extending her saber. Luke force grabs her, and force pushes her hard across the long room towards the door. Luke speaks his final words as the saber slashes through him- "Forgive us Ben, we are sorry." Luke disappears into the force.

The doors Rey was pushed into by Luke explode open, and some (hopefully mostly male, with male characteristics) resistance fighters come through guns blazing. The ship is now being bombarded heavily with fire; the room is shaking. Kylo repels rebel shots easily with his saber, and by using the force as in the beginning of TFA, returning some laser blasts in the direction from which they came. He backs into an exit, and right before the doors close, he sees the force spirits of every Jedi that has passed, from qui-gon, to Luke and Leia Skywalker, standing in the middle of the large room, facing him. Rey runs through the force spirits with her hand extended, unaware of them. She yells- "Ben!!" Talking to the entirety of those in front of him, REN- "I'm sorr.." The large doors close and lock. -FADE OUT


Luke should have actually got off that damn island for 10 minutes.

I like your style.

To be honest, man, when I saw all the lasers shooting at Luke and knew Luke wasn't going to die there, I was just thinking he was going to show he'd become some sort of Keanu-esque figure where he was operating on another wavelength of the force and the blasts wouldn't even touch him.

When he was standing there unscathed and brushed his shoulder off (a little lame but kind of fun for the future gif purposes) my mind was in overdrive as to what he was going to do next. In actuality, I fully expected him to showcase some never-before-seen-Steven-Segal-real-lethal-shit with the force. Like just clenching his fist and crushing whole AT-AT Walkers like a soda can.

What they went with was more of a pulling a Kenobi. Nothing wrong with that but obviously many of us were hoping for Luke to tear shit up.

 

[ufcfan4]

You are correct, another face palm moment. Apparently the force hands out participation trophies as well.

It sort of fit with the whole Luke assertion though- whether the Jedi exist or not the light side of the Force is always there.

I'm so glad JJ Abrams didn't direct this movie.

It's true that having 2 different directors means 2 different visions, but the alternative was to have JJ Abrams just rip off 3 movies from the original trilogy instead of 1.

At least Rian Johnson told an original story. Love it or hate it, it's better than what JJ would have done, which would've been some carbon copy of Empire.

It's funny to see how different their visions were.

JJ obviously thought snoke was interesting. And Rey's parents too. And then Rian comes and says "nope" and just eliminates both.

It'd be funny if Abrams, now at the helm again, is like- think you can fuck with my mysteries huh and resurrects Snoke and makes it so Rey actually has non-asshole parents (ie Ren was lying).

I noticed Kylo was giving the Conor McG pitch to try to get Rey to join up with him. "I will change your bum life."

 

[Lethal]

Man, there was just as much of a playing the hits vibe with this as there was with TFA.

Spoiler

Canto Blight was a ripoff Cloud City
Crait was a salty version of Hoth
Jedi training on a faraway, remote planet.
Secret cave, strong in the darkside.
Main character comes to a sad realization about their parentage.

Also, a ROTJ rehash, but still. The big bad, gets killed by his apprentice, to save the good guy.

It really is my biggest problem with the last two flicks.

Yep, it copied aspects of ESB similar to TFA did with ANH, only difference is they tried to change the order here instead. It even had the same trope of the antagonist asking the protagonist to join them so they could rule the galaxy together.

 

[ufcfan4]

Yep, it copied aspects of ESB similar to TFA did with ANH, only difference is they tried to change the order here instead. It even had the same trope of the antagonist asking the protagonist to join them so they could rule the galaxy together.

Can't help but think that Rey should have taken him up on the offer and then, when they are going to consummate, given him the Gone Girl treatment only with a lightsaber.

Suddenly she's in charge of the galaxy and can make it a good place again. Hux will cave to whoever Force chokes him, no questions asked.

 

[deviake]

I like your style.

To be honest, man, when I saw all the lasers shooting at Luke and knew Luke wasn't going to die there, I was just thinking he was going to show he'd become some sort of Keanu-esque figure where he was operating on another wavelength of the force and the blasts wouldn't even touch him.

When he was standing there unscathed and brushed his shoulder off (a little lame but kind of fun for the future gif purposes) my mind was in overdrive as to what he was going to do next. In actuality, I fully expected him to showcase some never-before-seen-Steven-Segal-real-lethal-shit with the force. Like just clenching his fist and crushing whole AT-AT Walkers like a soda can.

What they went with was more of a pulling a Kenobi. Nothing wrong with that but obviously many of us were hoping for Luke to tear shit up.

At first I thought he was using some sort of force shield. I wasn't even disappointed about not seeing Luke tear through anybody, but I wanted them to demonstrate somehow that his power had gotten immense. We're given a glimpse of how powerful he is being that even Snoke seems terrified of him, so it does seem his powers are absurdly strong, but I wanted a bit more.

I noticed Kylo was giving the Conor McG pitch to try to get Rey to join up with him. "I will change your bum life."

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[deviake]

Can't help but think that Rey should have taken him up on the offer and then, when they are going to consummate, given him the Gone Girl treatment only with a lightsaber.

Suddenly she's in charge of the galaxy and can make it a good place again. Hux will cave to whoever Force chokes him, no questions asked.

I wonder if they'll try something like that in IX. Have the Rebellion get crushed while whoever is left is surrendering, have her join like they're gonna mind fuck us and have a dark ending, then she offs Kylo, takes control, and as we're expecting evil shit she collapses the Empire from the inside.

 

[JackWhite]

I like your style.

To be honest, man, when I saw all the lasers shooting at Luke and knew Luke wasn't going to die there, I was just thinking he was going to show he'd become some sort of Keanu-esque figure where he was operating on another wavelength of the force and the blasts wouldn't even touch him.

When he was standing there unscathed and brushed his shoulder off (a little lame but kind of fun for the future gif purposes) my mind was in overdrive as to what he was going to do next. In actuality, I fully expected him to showcase some never-before-seen-Steven-Segal-real-lethal-shit with the force. Like just clenching his fist and crushing whole AT-AT Walkers like a soda can.

What they went with was more of a pulling a Kenobi. Nothing wrong with that but obviously many of us were hoping for Luke to tear shit up.

Yeah, that was a major cock-tease.

I gotta see this again because I'm pretty torn. It was alright, good even, but not nearly as great as I was hoping.

 

[ufcfan4]

Yeah, that was a major cock-tease.

I gotta see this again because I'm pretty torn. It was alright, good even, but not nearly as great as I was hoping.

I simultaneously think it was good and problematic. So much of the complaints here in the thread are valid. Yet I also think there were many entertaining moments- most of which involved Luke/Rey/Ren/Snoke.

 

[Law Talkin’ Guy]

Hate leads to suffering.

Besides Oscar Isaac isn't that swarthy and Kylo Ren isn't that much of a villain.

Oscar Isaac is like a fucking Mexican or something. He’s not white. At least not white enough to be the Judge in a law suit involving Donald Trump.

Or how about this movie finally stopped the everyone is related/small universe nonsense.

You guys just wanted another generic disney machine made film. No worries though, JJ is coming back to save the franchise.

I don’t think anyone is saying that Star Wars can’t explore other characters. They did that with Rogue One and people liked it. The problem that people have here is that the “main series” is supposed to be the Skywalker saga, or at least that’s what many of us assumed. The fact that it’s not going to turn out that way I think is justifiably leaving some people disappointed.

Rian Johnson is getting to helm his own Star Wars trilogy away from the “episode __” series. That will give him plenty of opportunity to explore other characters who are disconnected from the Skywalker & Friends crew.

 

[SoCalprodigy09]

I don’t have a problem with an all inclusive cast. What concerns me is that following Luke’s death there’s not a single white male protagonist left, while the First Order is completely white men.

Why can’t they both be all inclusive?

Is Poe Latino or something?

 

[Bob Gray]

I like your style.

To be honest, man, when I saw all the lasers shooting at Luke and knew Luke wasn't going to die there, I was just thinking he was going to show he'd become some sort of Keanu-esque figure where he was operating on another wavelength of the force and the blasts wouldn't even touch him.

When he was standing there unscathed and brushed his shoulder off (a little lame but kind of fun for the future gif purposes) my mind was in overdrive as to what he was going to do next. In actuality, I fully expected him to showcase some never-before-seen-Steven-Segal-real-lethal-shit with the force. Like just clenching his fist and crushing whole AT-AT Walkers like a soda can.

What they went with was more of a pulling a Kenobi. Nothing wrong with that but obviously many of us were hoping for Luke to tear shit up.

I talked about this with a buddy of mine some time ago. he wanted to see Luke do the shit from the comics, like when he crushes an AT walker using his mind. And that shit was never gonna happen. You cant have one dude be able to murk armies, otherwise theres no threat and Jedi essentially become Superman.

 

[Amerikuracana]

I like your style.

To be honest, man, when I saw all the lasers shooting at Luke and knew Luke wasn't going to die there, I was just thinking he was going to show he'd become some sort of Keanu-esque figure where he was operating on another wavelength of the force and the blasts wouldn't even touch him.

When he was standing there unscathed and brushed his shoulder off (a little lame but kind of fun for the future gif purposes) my mind was in overdrive as to what he was going to do next. In actuality, I fully expected him to showcase some never-before-seen-Steven-Segal-real-lethal-shit wi
th the force. Like just clenching his fist and crushing whole AT-AT Walkers like a soda can.

What they went with was more of a pulling a Kenobi. Nothing wrong with that but obviously many of us were hoping for Luke to tear shit up.

I thought they did pretty well with it. Kid liked it. Was entertaining. I really can't even complain lol.. Maybe Hamill would have liked to have gone out with a little more fire, and a more Luke like treatment of his nephew would fit his younger self a lot better.

 

[Law Talkin’ Guy]

Is Poe Latino or something?

Yeah. He’s like a Contra or something.

 

[Amerikuracana]

I talked about this with a buddy of mine some time ago. he wanted to see Luke do the shit from the comics, like when he crushes an AT walker using his mind. And that shit was never gonna happen. You cant have one dude be able to murk armies, otherwise theres no threat and Jedi essentially become Superman.

One level of one ship would not do that.

 

[ufcfan4]

I wonder if they'll try something like that in IX. Have the Rebellion get crushed while whoever is left is surrendering, have her join like they're gonna mind fuck us and have a dark ending, then she offs Kylo, takes control, and as we're expecting evil shit she collapses the Empire from the inside.

I don't see how else they can do it, really. The only other real option is win Kylo Ren over to the light. He's the ruler and if he offs Hux it's difficult to imagine the First Order would oppose him and the Knights of Ren. So you turn him good and you save the world I guess.

I just worry that's going to be the mission. We're seeing too many repetitions of the OT. Last thing we need is more- He saved me from Snoke, there's still good in him. I can turn him. Kylo Ren, men want to be him, Jedi think they can change him...

Also completely unrelated but I thought that throne room scene with Snoke was sick. Great dialogue and delivery from Serkis. "Who would have thought Skywalker was so wise (amused chuckle). We'll give him the death he so craves.."

"You have the spirit of a true Jedi. Which is why you must die."

And then the fight scene with the bodyguard was solid. I'd like a gif of it, but Rey had a pretty boss move where she has her lightsaber arm clutched so she drops the saber, catches it with the other arm low, takes out the guy's legs and then goes high to finish. Pretty sweet.

 

[Bob Gray]

One level of one ship would not do that.

What?