STAR WARS: THE LAST JEDI

[Dragonlordxxxxx]

I'll never begrudge someone for enjoying their perceived eye candy lol. I'm curious as to what happens with her too, I just think her journey there is bland. It's not Daisey's fault, she's just another poorly written female character. I don't know why writers are so afraid to make women as weak and pathetic as we all are at times on our life journey.

I have no issue with her being uber powerful. One Punch Man is the best written superhero in some time and he's the most powerful of them all. Flashbacks of weakness and his despair at having no challenge fleshes him out.

Anyways, I'm rambling. Rey is only one concern for how lackluster the Last jedi is. My biggest disappointment is Poe, he had great potential to be Wedge with an on screen story arc. I don't even know how I'd describe him after this.

No problem. We're not going to agree on everything but at least from what I gather we agree like 95% on TLJ.

Great review again bro, thanks for putting it together

Thanks. Appreciate it.

 

[Dragonlordxxxxx]

I gave the movie 1/10.

You may say I'm being overly critical, but I have never watched a movie and had it leave such a negative impression as TLJ did.

I'm not going to write a full review at this time because there is far too much to critique. Instead, for the time being I will touch on my biggest gripe of the film...

Too much of film focused on terrible characters making terrible decisions. Poe, Fin, and Rose completely ruined this movie for me. Knowing that they, and the similar characters that are to come, are the future of Star Wars discourages me from any enthusiasm I used to have for the upcoming Star Wars films. If I was one of those actors I would feel ashamed of my role in all of this.

At least you explained why. There's a lot of trolls that just like to give 1/10 without even seeing it.

 

[MiniCraque]

A lot of kids use the force in extremely minor ways before they are trained.


In the past the power set would be visible and then Jedi temple would be contacted so a Jedi can come evaluate the situation.


The kid using the force to grab the broom is no different. This is one gripe that is unfounded. Think of it like mutant powers.

If anything I love the fact that they are breaking away from the bloodline tradition where you only get to impact the universe if you are a Skywalker or a Solo. The reveal about Rey's family largely plays into that, even if some people are so self-absorbed that they think its only purpose was to undo JJ Abrams and tell them to go fuck themselves.

 

[Dragonlordxxxxx]

When the other two rebels ships were blown away during the "exciting" chase portion, I was thinking why couldn't they have come up with a sensible plan of transferring all the personnel from the two ships that were low on fuel and go to Holdo's ship which had a lot more fuel.

Instead, we got "Oh no, I'm out of fuel. Oh well. Deuces."

 

[minute bull]

When the other two rebels ships were blown away during the "exciting" chase portion, I was thinking why couldn't they have come up with a sensible plan of transferring all the personnel of the two ships that were low on fuel and go to Holdo's ship which had a lot more fuel.

I think that's what they did, leaving behind a sacrificial pilot each time.

The low-speed pursuit made little sense as a sub-plot, but it's really just a countdown-timer. Like the warrior's wife and child in APOCALYPTO or "Ten Little Indians" being sung in the episode of THE SIMPSONS where Homer gets fat but has to save the plant from meltdown.

Sure, I think they should have added a bit more weight to it in order to reinforce the idea the Resistance is on its last legs; and Finn/Rose seemed too much like a time-out from the important aspects of the non-Rey stuff. Let's stop to learn the ever evolving realities of war. This is the part of the fiction we don't need. I also think bloodying people up in torture is a mistake -- you can't have too much war-reality or else people start with the logic questions because now we're operating on general military tactics rather than STAR WARS military tactics.

 

[Fedorgasm]

I posted this back when we first learned of the last jedi's title. I think it would've made a much better movie than the one we got...

This should be the darkest star wars ever. This is the 2nd in the trilogy so the bad guys should win, and all hope is lost to the good guys.


When the movie starts, Luke has already been training Rey for at least a year. But we find something has changed in Luke. He's not the person we remember.

Later on it's revealed that Luke was so distraught over his pupils turning to the dark side that he was forced to try a radically different approach.

Luke didn't go into exile, instead he went on a quest for knowledge about the living force. He learned that the force naturally wants to be in balance. So by Luke being such a powerful light side Jedi, the pull to the dark side would be that much stronger in order to balance itself. The pull was so strong that his students couldn't resist it and they turned into Sith.

Luke decides that the only way for the dark side to stop luring in good people would be if Luke himself becomes perfectly balanced between the dark and light sides of the force. If he was equally powerful in each, then the force would be in balance, with neither the darkness nor the light feeling the need to "recruit" warriors to their side.

The one obstacle in this goal is Snoke. Snoke continues to gain strength on the dark side, which is throwing off the balance that Luke is trying to achieve. Now that the dark side is stronger, then the light side has produced another "chosen one" in an effort to achieve balance. That chosen one is Rey, which explains why she is so strong with the force even without training.

Kylo Ren meanwhile has major guilt issues over killing Han and he's more confused than ever. He hears Leia is mortally wounded in a battle and he goes to see her. With her dying breath she offers him forgiveness. Kylo leaves and returns to serve Snoke, but we can see the internal conflict within him, and a desire to maybe not be so evil.

Luke believes that the balance he wishes to achieve cannot be done with multiple force wielders. (10 jedi and 10 sith do not equal balance) It would be too hard because some of them would die off, some would be stronger than others, and so there would never be balance. Luke decides that he's the only one powerful and disciplined enough to keep the force balanced and he must do it alone.

So he sets out to eliminate Snoke and Kylo. Rey helps him kill Snoke, then it's time for Kylo to die. But instead of killing Kylo, Luke attacks Rey instead! He explains that all force wielders must be eliminated so he's the only one left to control the balance. And he kept her alive because he needed her help to kill Snoke. But now that Snoke's dead he certainly doesn't need her help killing a pansy like Kylo, so it's time to eliminate her.

Rey proves to be more powerful than he anticipates, and though he finally does manage to kill her, he is injured in the process. Kylo escaped while the two were fighting, and Luke decides to tend to his wounds rather than chase Kylo.

Besides, there's plenty of time to catch Kylo later. He's weak, he's immature, he's unfinished, and yet, he's the galaxy's last hope of defeating Luke.

The audience is left wondering how the hell a weakling like Kylo can defeat Luke, especially with nobody to train him.
And there's also some ambiguity because we have to ask ourselves if we even WANT Kylo to defeat Luke. After all, what if Luke's right? What if he's the only one that can keep the force in balance and end all the wars and constant violence?

to be resolved in episode 9....

STAR WARS: THE LAST JEDI (New Footage from D23 Reel)

 

[nefti]

When the other two rebels ships were blown away during the "exciting" chase portion, I was thinking why couldn't they have come up with a sensible plan of transferring all the personnel of the two ships that were low on fuel and go to Holdo's ship which had a lot more fuel.

Instead, we got "Oh no, I'm out of fuel. Oh well. Deuces."

They did evacuate, the captian of the medical ship said so

 

[Dragonlordxxxxx]

I think that's what they did, leaving behind a sacrificial pilot each time.

The low-speed pursuit made little sense as a sub-plot, but it's really just a countdown-timer. Like the warrior's wife and child in APOCALYPTO or "Ten Little Indians" being sung in the episode of THE SIMPSONS where Homer gets fat but has to save the plant from meltdown.

Sure, I think they should have added a bit more weight to it in order to reinforce the idea the Resistance is on its last legs; and Finn/Rose seemed too much like a time-out from the important aspects of the non-Rey stuff. Let's stop to learn the ever evolving realities of war. This is the part of the fiction we don't need. I also think bloodying people up in torture is a mistake -- you can't have too much war-reality or else people start with the logic questions because now we're operating on general military tactics rather than STAR WARS military tactics.

They did evacuate, the captian of the medical ship said so

Ah, thanks. I must have missed that part.

 

[Amerikuracana]

He deserved to absolutely whoop some insane ass before he went out.. I'm talking like that Jedi bunny slash cartoon from some years ago.

He should have lit up an entire level of a ship like Anakin did the trade federation dudes at the end of Sith, after the first order killed Leia.

Here ya go- FADE IN

Leia is killed on one of the rebel ships while Snoke and Ren look on. (It should be noted that Ren did choose the light in not killing his mother, in TLJ, and that that moment has been glossed over in this thread) Luke has received a distress call, but he arrives just after the fateful attack, and sees his twin sister floating frozen and damaged out in space.

Luke crashes his (once sunken in water) x-wing through a window on the side of Snokes ship. He begins a force rage merking up the entire level of the ship, powered by the anger over the death of his twin. Luke's power is amplified, and the force is strong as he deflects laser blasts, and uses the force relentlessly on the outmatched army.

Ren and snoke, seeing what Luke is doing, decide to go on the run in their own ship (for an organic laugh) and then, finally, Luke catches up. Luke, after sustaining some damage, kills snoke after an incredibly intense, but somewhat short, battle. Then it's Kylo Ren's turn.. But Rey has just entered the room. We have a scene similar to the turn scene for Anakin to Vadar in Palpatine's room, only in a larger, colder room. Rey is yelling for the fight to stop.

A short battle between luke and a disinterested Ren occurs, and Ren is bested. Ren Kneels, awaiting the death blow. He begins screaming for it- "Do it uncle Luke! Finish my training! Please!" Rey catches Luke's attention when she screams for him to be spared- "I need him to live!" Luke's eyes glow blue somewhere between Jedi and Sith at the end of his force rage across the ship. Rey is close, and appears ready to intervene and turn on Luke at the strike of a death blow. Ren looks at Rey, sensing her feelings, and seeing in her his potential new partner in lead of the order. A new beginning. Luke winds up..

A voice appears out of the fabric- VADAR, All three hear it- "Luke, your forgiveness saved me. Fear and anger took me to the dark side. Forgiveness in a moment such as this, and belief in the power of the light brought me back. Saved me. Luke, have hope, forgive again, and please don't kill my grandson."

Luke- "He could kill too many, he has too much anger father. It must stop now."

Rey, lightly sobbing- "No."

Ren- "lies! Darth Vadar never returned to the light!"

A new voice. Leia- "Don't kill my little boy, luke. Please."

Luke, after thought, has his eyes dim, and turns off his saber, steps away, and turns his back on Kylo, facing Rey. Looking her right in the eye. Kylo stands.

Looking at rey, speaking loud enough for Ren to hear, LUKE- "Your grandfather did turn to the light, Ben. Your entire family *Rey squints* resides with the light. The power you feel the need to live up to did not pass into the dark; your bloodline is not covered in darkness, and neither are you."

Ren- "I see that now. I can feel what the light did for an injured Vadar. Your forgiveness saved one of the most powerful Sith of all time. Brought him to the light... But your hate for me was so strong, that I, as a child, *saber extends*, needed to be murdered in my sleep!!"

Before the final words were spoken, the move to strike down Luke had begun. *slow motion sequence* Rey makes a move to stop the blow from striking Luke, extending her saber. Luke force grabs her, and force pushes her hard across the long room towards the door. Luke speaks his final words as the saber slashes through him- "Forgive us Ben, we are sorry." Luke disappears into the force.

The doors Rey was pushed into by Luke explode open, and some (hopefully mostly male, with male characteristics) resistance fighters come through guns blazing. The ship is now being bombarded heavily with fire; the room is shaking. Kylo repels rebel shots easily with his saber, and by using the force as in the beginning of TFA, returning some laser blasts in the direction from which they came. He backs into an exit, and right before the doors close, he sees the force spirits of every Jedi that has passed, from qui-gon, to Luke and Leia Skywalker, standing in the middle of the large room, facing him. Rey runs through the force spirits with her hand extended, unaware of them. She yells- "Ben!!" Talking to the entirety of those in front of him, REN- "I'm sorr.." The large doors close and lock. -FADE OUT


Luke should have actually got off that damn island for 10 minutes.

 

[sickc0d3r]

Ok, this will be my first attempt to organize thoughts here, having just seen it a couple of hours ago. I've said I really liked it, so I'll talk about the things that I can remember that make it a great movie for me. I found it fresh and unpredictable at times, somewhat predictable or cheesy at others, but overall well done and every prominent character was a pleasure to watch.

Spoiler

Rey and Luke. Most of us expected what you'd expect to expect, I mean, thanks to Lucas we know the formula. We should see a bunch of cool Jedi crossfit routines and some griping in between wise sayings and shitty food. Instead, Rey found bitter old Luke and an ideology that is flawed. I loved that he was chilling at the origin of the Jedi, keeping the old lore in books and trees, spearfishing and drinking walrus milk until he dies. When you learn that everything you devoted your life to has a habit of ruining people's lives and often it is your fault, you might get a little psychotic. I get it.

Best of all Yoda agrees. And I mean the real Yoda, the mischievous, funny, and smarter than everyone else Yoda. Not the boring dross of a character they gave us in the prequels. He says let it go, the Jedi no longer need to be tied down by the old religion that has failed them so many times. As it does with all things, time forces us to evolve. We learn here that Hubris can be anyone's downfall.

Rey discovering the anomaly that she is, and then making a connection with Ren while growing suspicious of Luke, was a masterful turn by the mind manipulator Snoke. I know I am supposed to care that as a result this segment somewhat parallels ESB but I don't. Why should I? I enjoyed where this was going and wanted to watch it play out, sign of a good story.

Poe's story is also fleshing out, and he learns a hard lesson about hubris himself. The measured and calculating approach by Holdo is a contrast to his brash heroism. The slow fleet chase through the galaxy was a test of patience, and Poe's decisions resulted in deaths. Ballsy move by the story writers, imo.

Finn and his little crush were a subplot that was great if for no other reason than to introduce Benicio Del Toro's character. That guy has potential and stole all the scenes he was in. Somebody should make him a star. I also like that they are chipping away at the so called "good guys" versus "bad guys" with his revelation about the weapons that are sold to both sides. Maybe time to start thinking on your own, people. Money and power runs the universe, always has, always will. But this subplot serves to deliver the other message, which is that we can't win by hating the enemy, we can only win by loving each other.

And finally there is Kylo. Once again, Driver kills it, then grabs it by its haunches and humps it into submission. We are told several times, by Luke and by Snoke alike, that Ren has unmatched raw power, at least until Rey came along. Yet he's easily manipulated by Snoke, bested by Rey in a sword fight, and generally a disappointment so far. What gives? As it turns out, the sneaky little fuck has more ambition than we gave him credit for. He knew he'd have to kill Snoke and when he saw his chance, he was able to trick him and kill him. Essentially Snoke was killed by his own Hubris. There is no ceiling for this Ren kid.

I enjoyed the revelation about Rey's parents as well. No acceptable answer was given. Are they really nobodies or is there still a bloodline involved that we don't know about. Maybe even they didn't know. Or perhaps he was lying and she just can't see it clearly. In any case, I think it is clever writing that got Kylo back into a position where their eventual showdown makes sense again. He is now looking like a conniving little backstabber with a shitload of potential that will do the dark side proud some day.

So... Snoke dead, Rey and Kylo growing in power and understanding, and that rivalry making headway, Poe evolving into a capable leader, and Finn possibly turning into a libertarian. DJ the pirate is out there, too. All great story lines. I really, honestly, do not see what's not to like. I hope it breaks box office records. Bring on the next one. If I can't have more Bladerunner....

Oh, the Luke thing. It probably wasn't what I would have gone with, but it's a good way to send him off in peace with a middle finger to Ren. And again, an unexpected and fresh take on the ways of the force, and returning balance. Snoke died, so did Luke. Rey and Ren remain.

P.S. The Porgs were not overused at all, and they were funny little guys. Fine moments of comedy relief there. Aggravated Chewie has always been the best Chewie. Yep, I really liked the Porgs.

Can't type no more, plus I need a break to ponder it some more... errr, search my feelings. I'm still processing a lot of what I saw and I am sure I forgot a lot. Sickcoder out!

 

[D3THRONED]

I posted this back when we first learned of the last jedi's title. I think it would've made a much better movie than the one we got...



STAR WARS: THE LAST JEDI (New Footage from D23 Reel)

Honestly way better than what we got. Hell even my theories running wild for 2 years were way better.

 

[Senzo Tanaka]

Went 7/10. It was fine and it's hard to talk about anything without spoiling. I can certainly see what Mark Hammil disagreed with. Part of me likes what they did with the character but part of me hates it. I'm going to need to see it multiple times to really get a feel for it.

Definitely some nitpicks with the movie but overall it's certainly not bad and does have some excellent moments along with some breathtaking wide shots and visuals. I do think Force Awakens was a better film. More practical effects, better pacing, better humor, better dialogue. Yes, it's a soft-reboot but that's what you needed for a new Star Wars movie and I felt that it respected the characters. With Last Jedi, it felt like it was throwing out a lot of lore, myth and rules out the door and wanted to be a Marvel movie at times.

I'm happy JJ Abrams is coming back for 9. Rian Johnson had an interesting take but ultimately, I think he was too careless. Abrams seemed to have a greater appreciation of the franchise.

 

[HeroesNeverTap]

RE: the kid with the broom. I was disappointed he didn't do this.

Confirmed: Turbo is a Jedi.

 

[Da Speeit]

Worse than Phantom Menace. I've decided. Phantom Menace was stupid. This was just bad.

 

[Da Speeit]

Went 7/10. It was fine and it's hard to talk about anything without spoiling. I can certainly see what Mark Hammil disagreed with. Part of me likes what they did with the character but part of me hates it. I'm going to need to see it multiple times to really get a feel for it.

Definitely some nitpicks with the movie but overall it's certainly not bad and does have some excellent moments along with some breathtaking wide shots and visuals. I do think Force Awakens was a better film. More practical effects, better pacing, better humor, better dialogue. Yes, it's a soft-reboot but that's what you needed for a new Star Wars movie and I felt that it respected the characters. With Last Jedi, it felt like it was throwing out a lot of lore, myth and rules out the door and wanted to be a Marvel movie at times.

I'm happy JJ Abrams is coming back for 9. Rian Johnson had an interesting take but ultimately, I think he was too careless. Abrams seemed to have a greater appreciation of the franchise.

lmao "Some nitpicks" the whole fucking plot makes no sense.
Some nitpicks hahaha

The humor was terrible.

 

[Da Speeit]

SPOILERS DON'T READ BELOW THIS IF YOU'RE A CUCK

"Some nitpicks"
You know, like Luke, the one character who is able to see the moral good in anybody, wanting to murder his nephew in his sleep bc he had a bad dream or some shit
Rey feeling like shit knows Han Solo in the first movie but is no one in second
Snoke being built up and killed with no backstory
Luke "not wanting to be found" BUT LEAVING A FUCKING MAP FOR SOMEONE TO FIND HIM

Fuck me there are literally dozens, i have to go to bjj and choke someone about this, i can't type this out.

I fucking bought out a whole row at a movie theater at got 2 hours sleep for a 12 hour shift today just to see this steaming pile of garbage. I should have just left after Leia went full Man of Steel and gotten my ass some sleep.

 

[Amerikuracana]

SPOILERS DON'T READ BELOW THIS IF YOU'RE A CUCK

"Some nitpicks"
You know, like Luke, the one character who is able to see the moral good in anybody, wanting to murder his nephew in his sleep bc he had a bad dream or some shit
Rey feeling like shit knows Han Solo in the first movie but is no one in second
Snoke being built up and killed with no backstory
Luke "not wanting to be found" BUT LEAVING A FUCKING MAP FOR SOMEONE TO FIND HIM

Fuck me there are literally dozens, i have to go to bjj and choke someone about this, i can't type this out.

I fucking bought out a whole row at a movie theater at got 2 hours sleep for a 12 hour shift today just to see this steaming pile of garbage. I should have just left after Leia went full Man of Steel and gotten my ass some sleep.

You bought the row? Nice. Your expectations were too high. But some of your compaints are legit. I was mad at first, saw it again, and realized it wasn't as bad as I thought. The more i think about Luke, and what they did with him, the more annoyed I do get, however. It was a movie to get kids involved in a story. That's what Disney does. My 10 year old liked it, and so did my grown child semi-girlfriend who isn't into star wars. She thought it was great. It wasn't made just to please hardcore adults, and once that realization is met, you can watch the movie with different eyes.

 

[Katsumi Yamada]

Why are there never any cool aliens? Have there ever been any?
All of the aliens just seem to be comedy relief.
Chewbacca is the closest thing to an actual character.
It's kind of bizarre that it's pretty much always been just humans as the main characters.

Ackbar...they should have replaced Haldo with Ackbar.

People actually give a fuck about him.

Would not have any negative effect

 

[D3THRONED]

SPOILERS DON'T READ BELOW THIS IF YOU'RE A CUCK

"Some nitpicks"
You know, like Luke, the one character who is able to see the moral good in anybody, wanting to murder his nephew in his sleep bc he had a bad dream or some shit
Rey feeling like shit knows Han Solo in the first movie but is no one in second
Snoke being built up and killed with no backstory
Luke "not wanting to be found" BUT LEAVING A FUCKING MAP FOR SOMEONE TO FIND HIM

Fuck me there are literally dozens, i have to go to bjj and choke someone about this, i can't type this out.

I fucking bought out a whole row at a movie theater at got 2 hours sleep for a 12 hour shift today just to see this steaming pile of garbage. I should have just left after Leia went full Man of Steel and gotten my ass some sleep.

Im just as salty about it.

 

[The Clinch]

The crank call is in character for Poe however, at the beginning of tfa he has a similar interaction with Kylo. Cracking jokes as he’s about to interrogate him.

“Who talks first, you ? Me? What’s up with the mask?”

So that I thought was following his character

Yeah it didn't really bother me as much as others here, just seems that Poe is a bit of a wise ass.

Although I'm behind, I've the whole comic book run based on the character. Unlike most of the Star Wars Marvel comics, Poe's book wasn't a miniseries.