STAR WARS: THE LAST JEDI

If you have seen STAR WARS: THE LAST JEDI, how would you rate it?


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Hey Bisexualmma here’s another one for ya: J J Abrams had a white man weilding a burning cross call his former slave a traitor and slashed him like a slavemasters whip along his back - all because he fell for a white woman.

Man even in this photo, the parents have no personality compared to the kids.

And the grandkid
 
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I listen to a film podcast called the Slashfilmcast and one of the hosts--who is a long-time Star Wars fanatic--says he thinks TLJ is the best Star Wars movie of all time. Not the best since the OT. Just the best. Period.

I don't share that view but it just goes to show you there are people out there who really do love this movie.

I am one of those people.
 
I am one of those people.
A buddy of mine is in the same boat. Life long Star Wars fan and thinks it's better than Empire. Hey, whatever floats your boat. For me personally, practically nothing Luke did makes any sense for the character.
 
A buddy of mine is in the same boat. Life long Star Wars fan and thinks it's better than Empire. Hey, whatever floats your boat. For me personally, practically nothing Luke did makes any sense for the character.

How old is he and when did he start watching? From the prequel era or did he see any originals in theater?

It seems that’s where the divide is.

I didn’t see Star Wars in the theater but my parents did and I had the toys and watched it on tv. Couldn’t wait to go see empire in theater and when it did come out it was awesome.
Same with Jedi.

I saw phantom in theater and left like wtf, and didn’t see the other prequels. Watched them haphazardly on tv.

Lost interest until tfa and took my son to see it, same with Rogue.

While tfa left some to be desired it had that want to watch to it, wating for luke to appear.

The interesting back sorry curiosity with Rey, the lightsaber etc.

Then at the end her giving luke (to quote kevin smith “his dick back”), and waiting for tlj for luke to have a saber in his hand fucking shit up

For me, in the recent history the story of Star killer is more Star Wars than any of the new shit we have.

Not only did I hate tlj, it made tfa worse for me too because none of it matters now.
 
I got legit more angry with TLJ after rewatching TFA this evening.

I can't believe Rian ripped up everything JJ set up for him. JJ has no other option but to continue along the lines Rian left this franchise, damage control for the next episode will be minimal. And if he makes Poe gay, I'm done with Star Wars.
 
I can't believe Rian ripped up everything JJ set up for him. JJ has no other option but to continue along the lines Rian left this franchise, damage control for the next episode will be minimal.

I really wonder exactly how JJ is going to handle the situation. He could try to retcon without retconning.

I guess by that I mean he could accept what Rian Johnson did but at the same time bring the story back in line with something that is more traditionally Star Wars. I mean, he's not going to bring Luke back to life, but he can bring the spirit of the story back to its roots.
 
I really wonder exactly how JJ is going to handle the situation. He could try to retcon without retconning.

I guess by that I mean he could accept what Rian Johnson did but at the same time bring the story back in line with something that is more traditionally Star Wars. I mean, he's not going to bring Luke back to life, but he can bring the spirit of the story back to its roots.

This trilogy is bizarre. JJ Abrams makes the first one. Rian Johnson spends the second one negating and mocking the first one. And then JJ is brought back to... ?
 
This trilogy is bizarre. JJ Abrams makes the first one. Rian Johnson spends the second one negating and mocking the first one. And then JJ is brought back to... ?

It is a bit strange, mostly in that JJ is coming back.

Here's what I don't fully understand: If Disney was so happy with Rian Johnson to give him a spin-off trilogy, then why did they not just give him the next mainline film in the franchise? How did it end up director-less? (Because from what I've read, the reason JJ came back was because they didn't really have anybody lined up to direct it after Trevorrow got fired.)
 
He had a lightsaber fight you crybaby. Just cause he was astral projecting doesn’t mean you didn’t get to see one.
He did a Matrix dodge and then let Kylo chop his astral projection. It lasted 11 seconds
That wasn't a fucking light saber fight, doofus.
 
It is a bit strange, mostly in that JJ is coming back.

Here's what I don't fully understand: If Disney was so happy with Rian Johnson to give him a spin-off trilogy, then why did they not just give him the next mainline film in the franchise? How did it end up director-less? (Because from what I've read, the reason JJ came back was because they didn't really have anybody lined up to direct it.)

Well, I'm gonna be partly retreading old ground, but I think part of the reason Rian Johnson spent the whole movie either tearing characters down, killing them off unceremoniously, or having them go in circles and achieve nothing, was that he chickened out of the challenge of writing creatively for established characters and storylines.

He may have never come up with ideas for Luke, Snoke, Rey, Kylo, etc. that he thought were above being called predictable or derivative, so he just set about firebombing things because it was "unexpected."

I don't know if he has ideas for the third one that would be satisfying or worthy. He managed to spend a whole Star Wars movie creating almost nothing. You can like Holdo and Rose if you want, but they aren't exactly creative high points of the Star Wars universe when it comes to characters. In a world with perhaps the most inspired creature designs of all time, he added two women.

Maybe he'll be better at making his own trilogy from scratch (I am skeptical) but I really don't think he's up to the task of building upon the work of others. What James Cameron did with Aliens and Rambo 2, what Coogler did with Creed...those were works of reverence and creation.

As I said earlier, Rian Johnson did the opposite. He's being praised at the moment for being "unpredictable" in doing so. But I think this praise will fade, while praise will grow for some of his other...achievements with this movie.
 
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That was the OT Yoda. The stoic prequel Yoda was boring.

While there is a lot of negative feedback, there are plenty of people liking TLJ more than any other entry besides the OT (Rogue One is all over the place in rankings). So i'm not crazy for liking it.

In hindsight TFA is the worst imo. TLJ was a success despite its baggage.
I will take boring Yoda over crackhead Yoda. He did not fit the tone of that sequence at all

Yea, i know there are plenty of people that legit like this movie. But for the life of me, i honest to god can't understand why.
 
Well, I'm gonna be partly retreading old ground, but I think part of the reason Rian Johnson spent the whole movie either tearing characters down, killing them off unceremoniously, or having them go in circles and achieve nothing, was that he chickened out of the challenge of writing creatively for established characters and storylines.

He may have never come up with ideas for Luke, Snoke, Rey, Kylo, etc. that he thought were above being called predictable or derivative, so he just set about firebombing things because it was "unexpected."

I don't know if he has ideas for the third one that would be satisfying or worthy. He managed to spend a whole Star Wars movie creating almost nothing. You can like Holdo and Rose if you want, but they aren't exactly creative high points of the Star Wars universe when it comes to characters. In a world with perhaps the most inspired creature designs of all time, he added two women.

Maybe he'll be better at making his own trilogy from scratch (I am skeptical) but I really don't think he's up to the task of building upon the work of others. What James Cameron did with Aliens and Ramno 2, what Coogler did with Creed...those were works of reverence and creation.

As I said earlier, Rian Johnson did the opposite. He's being praised at the moment for being "unpredictable" in doing so. But I think this praise will fade, while praise will grow for some of his other...achievements with this movie.

I see it as a small, self-contained story. It's job is primarily to put the old guard to rest while paving the way for the new characters to lead the franchise from here on out. Even Leia, though she survives, gives way at the end for Poe to take the lead.

As for Praise for Johnson fading, it will be interesting see how opinions on this film and his work evolves over time.
 
I will take boring Yoda over crackhead Yoda. He did not fit the tone of that sequence at all

Yea, i know there are plenty of people that legit like this movie. But for the life of me, i honest to god can't understand why.

I can't remember if we talked about this, but did you like the prequels, or no?

Also LOL @ Crackhead Yoda!
 
I can't remember if we talked about this, but did you like the prequels, or no?

Also LOL @ Crackhead Yoda!
I didn't watch any SW movies until about 5 hears ago, so I don't have the same childhood attachment to these movies as many others do.
I didn't think the prequels were good movies, but i didn't hate them either. They had some good stuff mixed in that kept me watching. Terrible dialogue, but then we got the John Williams score and Darth Maul.
I generally liked Revenge of the Sith despite its flaws.
And id probably rank all of the prequels above TLJ. It was that bad for me.
 
Poe Dameron and Han Solo are in a house that’s on fire. Who gets out first?

Poe, because his shit’s already packed

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I got legit more angry with TLJ after rewatching TFA this evening.

I can't believe Rian ripped up everything JJ set up for him. JJ has no other option but to continue along the lines Rian left this franchise, damage control for the next episode will be minimal. And if he makes Poe gay, I'm done with Star Wars.

Check out above.
 
I didn't watch any SW movies until about 5 hears ago, so I don't have the same childhood attachment to these movies as many others do.
I didn't think the prequels were good movies, but i didn't hate them either. They had some good stuff mixed in that kept me watching. Terrible dialogue, but then we got the John Williams score and Darth Maul.
I generally liked Revenge of the Sith despite its flaws.
And id probably rank all of the prequels above TLJ. It was that bad for me.

Well at least you liked Revenge of the Sith. I think it's the best SW movie in the entire canon. At least so far.
 
I see it as a small, self-contained story. It's job is primarily to put the old guard to rest while paving the way for the new characters to lead the franchise from here on out. Even Leia, though she survives, gives way at the end for Poe to take the lead.

As for Praise for Johnson fading, it will be interesting see how opinions on this film and his work evolves over time.

When I was a kid, the school had this public speaking contest every year, where every kid had to write and deliver a 5 or 10 minute speech about whatever they wanted. So some kids would research some topic they were passionate about, dig up lots of facts and in some cases deliver them charismatically, and sometimes make the whole class or school interested in the topic. Sharks, baseball, whatever. There would be maybe four rounds to the whole thing. First in your class, to get a top ten, then again to get a top three, then top three from every class, and then a final five in front of the whole school or something like that. Maybe three rounds.

Anyway, one year we had a kid write a speech about "how hard it is to come up with a topic for this speech contest." And at first it sounds like, wow, what an unexpected and fresh idea. But all he did was ramble for five or ten minutes about how he watched TV and couldn't think of anything, and then he went to bed and couldn't think of anything, and then he had breakfast and couldn't think of anything, he went to the library and flipped through books and nothing seemed like the right topic, and then he asked the teacher for ideas and none of them worked, and then he went to the movies and couldn't think of anything, and then he rode his bike around and couldn't think of anything...

And in the first round of the contest, everybody laughed for the first minute or two at the topic, and liked the rest well enough. And he got through to the next round, and the second time we heard it it was like, yeah kinda funny. And it kept losing steam as it got from round to round and people had heard it before, and they realized that he'd really written nothing of substance and just chickened out of the assignment and listed a bunch of dumb ass things he did while not thinking of a topic.

But it was kind of fresh and unexpected, so he ended up making it to the final round that year.

And then the next year, ten fucking kids wrote a speech about how hard it was to write their own speech.

This is kind of what I'm talking about when I reference the danger of rewarding Rian Johnson here.

And to be honest, I think what he did was even worse in some ways. Some of the mocking of the fans in his own movie is kind of like standing up in front of the class and delivering a speech about "why our teacher Mr. Wilson is a f****t." You can research it well and make perfect, brilliant arguments, but you still might get a zero.
 
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