STAR WARS: THE LAST JEDI

[Goonerview]

This was literally the only Star Wars film where I felt nothing at all during the film.

The one moment I got excited was Luke walking out alone, and then they took that away from us.

Personally, I thought the bit with Kylo Ren thinking about blowing up the spaceship with Leia on and then not going through with it was intense and struck a chord with me.

Luke walking out alone was stupid IMO. For it to only be a "force projection" was just annoying. He had a haircut and dyed his beard brown ... The whole scene was dumb. But, that's just me.

 

[Loiosh]

Like I said, the emasculation and negation of the male characters was so consistent throughout the movie that it seems clearly to me to be part of one of the theses of the film.

I think the film pursued a feminist agenda to the point that it sacrificed the integrity of the narrative to some degree in order to achieve this.

But as I'm sure anyone who has read this thread knows, I think this was at most a distant second when it comes to my issues with the film, if it even is #2.

I'm not disagreeing with you regarding the emasculation but I'd be interested to hear your list of key points where this is true.

I have

1. Poe kept in the dark and then failing.
2. Finn "saved".

 

[Goonerview]

For all my criticisms of this film, I actually liked Luke brushing the dirt off his shoulder. I thought that entire scene was executed quite masterfully. The wink to C3PO, the framing of the showdown...

Unfortunately, he was also doing it so well so he could stick it to the audience by killing Luke for no reason right after.

I will agree with you that there were issues where modern things were thrown in, at least with dialogue. I thought several of the lines were really "not very Star Wars." Things like "let's go chrome dome" and Poe referred to something as a "big ass [whatever it was]." There were a few other instances...but I think those lines could have used another pass. Then again, maybe it was intentionally more of "2017ing Star Wars up bitches."

I agree.

Finn in TFA was also guilty of doing this.

"I'm the captain now, Captain Phasma, Yeeeeh!!"

"Yo, We can't go back to Jakku!!" (he sounded like Chris Tucker here)

Rey and Finn after they destroyed that Tie fighter on their tail ...

Ugh, it's supposed to be a long time ago in a galaxy far away ... I expected a bit more "fantasy English", not "street English".

 

[Der Eisbär]

This was literally the only Star Wars film where I felt nothing at all during the film.

The one moment I got excited was Luke walking out alone, and then they took that away from us.

Same here. No emotional attachment to anything. Didn't feel shit for anyone. The one moment where I got hyped was luke walking out to face the imperials alone and eating a barage of fire and moving forward. Fuck this gay earth.

 

[Peteyandjia]

I don't lie about movies.

I really think I'm all set with ever seeing this one. I'd like to retain the Star Wars magic that's left, and it sounds like this film would only detract from that.

 

[BisexualMMA]

I'm not disagreeing with you regarding the emasculation but I'd be interested to hear your list of key points where this is true.

I have

1. Poe kept in the dark and then failing.
2. Finn "saved".

Well, I'm just going off the cuff here, but...

Every decision by a female military leader results in no loss of life, aside from the heroic self-sacrifice of the military leader herself. Leia's plan involved no rebel losses, Poe fucked it up and got everyone killed. Holdo's plan involved no rebel losses, Poe fucked it up and got everyone killed.

I mean, Holdo probably did kill people off-screen when she did her light speed thing, but her original plan seemed to be to passively pilot the ship like Gandhi until she got blown up. She only had to engage in actual offensive action because Poe and Del Toro screwed things up.

Rey gets the better of Luke in a standoff, and Luke is pathetically inferior to her, not only in that physical standoff but morally. The film really went to great lengths to tear down...arguably the greatest male hero of the 1970s and 1980s, in order to supplant him with his new female counterpart.

Merely giving Admiral Holdo purple hair is the deliberate insertion of a modern-day SJW archetype and making her correct over archaic toxic masculinity Poe.

As I mentioned, all loss of life through military campaigns is the direct result only of decisions by male military leaders. I honestly think Kathleen Kennedy's endgame might be to demonstrate that with women in charge, there wouldn't be any wars. She's at least taken a step in that direction by having one side of the conflict run exclusively by women and causing zero casualties (unless forced at the last second by males undermining their casualty-free plan).

Finn thinks Space Vegas is the greatest thing ever. Who knows what's really going on? Rose.

Maybe I'm forgetting stuff.

 

[SmilinDesperado]

Apparently if you make strong female characters, you have an agenda.

If you have strong male characters, you're just making a movie.

So you're just going to do drive-by shaming posts instead of actually discussing the subject?
Once again, you are making a statement as if Im some simpleton that is against equality or women, even though i explained my thoughts to you on the subject in a previous post that was apparently too exhausting to reply to.

Lol the writers and producers are literally wearing shirts that say "the force is female ", as if it was ever intentionally a man's only club. I have no problem with making strong female characters, but writers often do it in a special Olympics way that comes off as pandering, instead of just making a strong, good, believable character.

 

[Goonerview]

The idea of weaponising light speed .... gives me a headache.

 

[minute bull]

I don't lie about movies.

I really think I'm all set with ever seeing this one. I'd like to retain the Star Wars magic that's left, and it sounds like this film would only detract from that.

 

[Peteyandjia]

You can believe whatever you like, herr Geheimagent.

 

[Goonerview]

Luke chucking the light saber over his shoulder for a cheap giggle for the audience was ridiculous.

I don't care about any of the new characters, in the fight scenes, if Finn, Rey died, I wouldn't give a shit. I have no to little investment in them.

Finn, had potential, a stormtrooper come good, but his character is clownish and too socially acclimated for someone with his background.

Rey is just too flawless, no room for growth. What can anyone teach her?? Who is she going to defeat in the final film?? Kylo Ren??? She has already kicked his butt.

 

[TrueBias]

This was literally the only Star Wars film where I felt nothing at all during the film.

The one moment I got excited was Luke walking out alone, and then they took that away from us.

I liked yoda showing up. It was hokey, but fuck, i was starving, ill take any star wars crumbs. Then he pulled a Raiden. Mother of christ...

 

[Loiosh]

So you're just going to do drive-by shaming posts instead of actually discussing the subject?
Once again, you are making a statement as if Im some simpleton that is against equality or women, even though i explained my thoughts to you on the subject in a previous post that was apparently too exhausting to reply to.

Lol the writers and producers are literally wearing shirts that say "the force is female ", as if it was ever intentionally a man's only club. I have no problem with making strong female characters, but writers often do it in a special Olympics way that comes off as pandering, instead of just making a strong, good, believable character.

Star Wars has been infamous for decades for having virtually no female characters.

When TFA was released, there wasn't even an action figure for Rey.

Yes, the characters were bad and the story was mediocre. There was virtually nothing they did right.

Maybe you could just say that instead of just blaming the feminist agenda.

 

[TrueBias]

Luke chucking the light saber over his shoulder for a cheap giggle for the audience was ridiculous.

I don't care about any of the new characters, in the fight scenes, if Finn, Rey died, I wouldn't give a shit. I have no to little investment in them.

Finn, had potential, a stormtrooper come good, but his character is clownish and too socially acclimated for someone with his background.

Rey is just too flawless, no room for growth. What can anyone teach her?? Who is she going to defeat in the final film?? Kylo Ren??? She has already kicked his butt.

Exactly.

Yet maybe 5 people in here love that shit.

 

[Loiosh]

Well, I'm just going off the cuff here, but...

Every decision by a female military leader results in no loss of life, aside from the heroic self-sacrifice of the military leader herself. Leia's plan involved no rebel losses, Poe fucked it up and got everyone killed. Holdo's plan involved no rebel losses, Poe fucked it up and got everyone killed.

I mean, Holdo probably did kill people off-screen when she did her light speed thing, but her original plan seemed to be to passively pilot the ship like Gandhi until she got blown up. She only had to engage in actual offensive action because Poe and Del Toro screwed things up.

Rey gets the better of Luke in a standoff, and Luke is pathetically inferior to her, not only in that physical standoff but morally. The film really went to great lengths to tear down...arguably the greatest male hero of the 1970s and 1980s, in order to supplant him with his new female counterpart.

Merely giving Admiral Holdo purple hair is the deliberate insertion of a modern-day SJW archetype and making her correct over archaic toxic masculinity Poe.

As I mentioned, all loss of life through military campaigns is the direct result only of decisions by male military leaders. I honestly think Kathleen Kennedy's endgame might be to demonstrate that with women in charge, there wouldn't be any wars. She's at least taken a step in that direction by having one side of the conflict run exclusively by women and causing zero casualties (unless forced at the last second by males undermining their casualty-free plan).

Finn thinks Space Vegas is the greatest thing ever. Who knows what's really going on? Rose.

Maybe I'm forgetting stuff.

This film was a big bag of bad ideas.

 

[Loiosh]

I liked yoda showing up. It was hokey, but fuck, i was starving, ill take any star wars crumbs. Then he pulled a Raiden. Mother of christ...

Yeah, it got pretty weird.

I wasn't thrilled with him still treating Luke like a kid. This was literally Luke's last few days of being alive, and Yoda still won't give him a break.

 

[Peteyandjia]

This film was a big bag of bad ideas.

Did you happen to see Mark Hamill openly calling the new trilogy shit? And then suddenly doing a public apology & acting like he likes it now? Lol.

 

[Loiosh]

Did you happen to see Mark Hamill openly calling the new trilogy shit? And then suddenly doing a public apology & acting like he likes it now? Lol.

I heard about it from a distance, but I knew I was going to see TFA late and didn't want ANYTHING spoiled.

After seeing the film I caught him in an interview where he's pretty much saying he hates it but it's for a new generation.

I bet any sum of money that if they had just continued his story, they would have made a far better film than anything else we've seen since Return.

 

[ShinkanPo]

The space Vegas crap really ruined it for me it got too campy there.

 

[ShinkanPo]

Why is it an agenda, and not simply plot points?

This film clearly had a different take on things. It broke a lot of archetypes. It did so poorly.

Were those archetypes an agenda, or were they just how things are?

I don't think its an agenda, StarWars always have female leaders, Mon Motman, Princes Leia, Padme Amidalla.