STAR WARS: THE LAST JEDI

[BisexualMMA]

Just got back from the theaters from watching this.

Its better than Force Awakens but not as good as Rogue One. I dont know what really went on in the end there, but dont really care. I've always been a casual Star Wars fan. I knew the basics but never went full fanboy. For me, Star Wars is blending into Fast and Furious/Saw-type territory. Just too many to keep up with. I thought I knew all the Jedi powers but seems they added more. Luke was doing shit I never knew a Jedi could do.

The story was meh. Acting was pretty bad. The red salt scene was cool. Hamill looked tiny and frail. 6/10

Maybe I'm in the minority, but compared to Harrison Ford and Carrie Fisher, I thought Hamill looked quite young and capable. Certainly, of the three, the one most believably up to the task of an adventure.

 

[Guestx]

Shit, I mean why SHOULDN'T they just keep going with it? The galaxy is a big place, after all.

If someone can find enough stories to make like 50 fucking James Bond movies then surely there are more stories to be told in a galaxy-spanning saga like Star Wars.

 

[Guestx]

Maybe I'm in the minority, but compared to Harrison Ford and Carrie Fisher, I thought Hamill looked quite young and capable. Certainly, of the three, the one most believably up to the task of an adventure.

He didn't look bad for 66 years old but I did note that he didn't seem especially robust. Disney should've gotten him on a TRT regimen.

 

[BisexualMMA]

Shit, I mean why SHOULDN'T they just keep going with it? The galaxy is a big place, after all.

If someone can find enough stories to make like 50 fucking James Bond movies the surely there are more stories to be told in a galaxy-spanning saga like Star Wars.

Well, it will end up like what the UFC has done over the last ten years. It may well result in more total profit, but Star Wars movies won't be a special thing anymore. They're already starting to depart from that territory. And certainly the marginal profit per Star Wars film will diminish greatly, to the point where a Star Wars film losing money will eventually become a possibility.

Anyway, I'm not surprised it's happening and the shareholders should probably complain if it weren't.

 

[Guestx]

Well, it will end up like what the UFC has done over the last ten years. It may well result in more total profit, but Star Wars movies won't be a special thing anymore. They're already starting to depart from that territory. And certainly the marginal profit per Star Wars film will diminish greatly, to the point where a Star Wars film losing money will eventually become a possibility.

I agree with the specialness. Obviously some rare is more special than something plentiful.

But more than anything, I am interested in the world building.

I read that there were something like 140 Expanded Universe books before Disney came in and, with a wave of a hand, de-canonized all that stuff. Some of these books go back as far as 5000 years before the events in A New Hope. That feature characters and planets and storylines that often have little connection to the Skywalker saga beyond the fact that they all take place in the same universe, include Jedi, have the Force, etc.

What that tells me is that there's a ton of potential to build the Star Wars universe out through new movies. The universe is just teeming with life and history but very few of the possibilities have actually been explored on the big screen.

 

[BisexualMMA]

I agree with the specialness. Obviously some rare is more special than something plentiful.

But more than anything, I am interested in the world building.

I read that there were something like 140 Expanded Universe books before Disney came in and, with a wave of a hand, de-canonized all that stuff. Some of these books go back as far as 5000 years before the events in A New Hope. That feature characters and planets and storylines that often have little connection to the Skywalker saga beyond the fact that they all take place in the same universe, include Jedi, have the Force, etc.

What that tells me is that there's a ton of potential to build the Star Wars universe out through new movies. The universe is just teeming with life and history but very few of the possibilities have actually been explored on the big screen.

Read them, have you? Page turners they were not.

 

[Guestx]

Read them, have you? Page turners they were not.

I'm actually reading through Darth Plagueis right now, upon Ruthless's recommendation. It's interesting so far.

I've also heard good things about the Thrawn Trilogy as well as the new Aftermath series

Is it your position then that the SW universe is NOT a fundamentally solid foundation upon which to build new stories?

 

[BisexualMMA]

I'm actually reading through Darth Plagueis right now, upon Ruthless's recommendation. It's interesting so far.

I've also heard good things about the Thrawn Trilogy as well as the new Aftermath series

Is it your position then that the SW universe is NOT a fundamentally solid foundation upon which to build new stories?

No, I was pointing out another one of Rian Johnson's metaphors.

 

[Guestx]

No, I was pointing out another one of Rian Johnson's metaphors.

Oh, about that, not to put you on the spot or anything but my friend wanted me to ask you if you also believe in a flat earth.

 

[BisexualMMA]

Oh, about that, not to put you on the spot or anything but my friend wanted me to ask you if you also believe in a flat earth.

You (and/or he) think viewing Yoda destroying "the sacred Jedi texts!" as Luke whines as a metaphor for Disney sweeping away the old Star Wars canon and characters is equivalent to being a science denialist?

You or he can insult me for seeing the metaphors and intentions behind the film if you like, but I suppose if I wanted I could deride you for failing to see them and viewing the film so simply. That's actually a bit of an insult to the intelligence Rian Johnson was so intent on displaying.

 

[TheRuthlessOne]

What that tells me is that there's a ton of potential to build the Star Wars universe out through new movies. The universe is just teeming with life and history but very few of the possibilities have actually been explored on the big screen.

What I am exploring right now is the aftermath of the Jedi Civil War

Its pretty interesting hearing how the Jedi turned on each other and questioning the fundamentals that the order is built on

 

[Guestx]

You (and/or he) think viewing Yoda destroying "the sacred Jedi texts!" as Luke whines as a metaphor for Disney sweeping away the old Star Wars canon and characters is equivalent to being a science denialist?

You or he can insult me for seeing the metaphors and intentions behind the film if you like, but I suppose if I wanted I could deride you for failing to see them and viewing the film so simply. That's actually a bit of an insult to the intelligence Rian Johnson was so intent on displaying.

He really did ask that. I'm not just fucking with you. To be fair, I did tell him that you are all right, you're just off on a tangent about this film.

As for the comment about the Jedi texts, it sounds more plausible than Luke-the-child-molester because I do think he's clearly making a statement about not getting too attached to the past, but why read it as a comment about the Expanded Universe books?

You're basically making Rian Johnson out to be a really mean, spiteful, inconsiderate motherfucker.

First he makes Luke a child molester. Then he insults hardcore fans. Then he talks shit on all the authors who wrote the EU books and the people who enjoyed them.

At this point, you've basically painted him as a psychopath who cares about no one but himself and his own twisted desires.

 

[BisexualMMA]

He really did ask that. I'm not just fucking with you. To be fair, I did tell him that you are all right, you're just off on a tangent about this film.

As for the comment about the Jedi texts, it sounds more plausible than Luke-the-child-molester because I do think he's clearly making a statement about not getting too attached to the past, but why read it as a comment about the Expanded Universe books?

You're basically making Rian Johnson out to be a really mean, spiteful, inconsiderate motherfucker.

First he makes Luke a child molester. Then he insults hardcore fans. Then he talks shit on all the authors who wrote the EU books and the people who enjoyed them.

At this point, you've basically painted him as a psychopath who cares about no one but himself and his own twisted desires.

Like I said, his ego got the better of him.

He thinks he is the parent that Star Wars fans need to force them grow up, and he's giving them tough love.

 

[Guestx]

Its pretty interesting hearing how the Jedi turned on each other and questioning the fundamentals that the order is built on

The Jedi seem to always be doing this. This is why Luke's behavior in TLJ shouldn't be that surprising.

It is not something that's out-of-character for a Jedi. It's actually in line with the tradition established by earlier stories.

 

[csroster]

Read them, have you? Page turners they were not.

I forgot to mention the Yoda scene which Yoda felt so out of place I actually at first thought it was Snoke projecting a fake Yoda or like a representation of the darkness in Luke or something. So that was kinda weird.

 

[Guestx]

Like I said, his ego got the better of him.

He thinks he is the parent that Star Wars fans need to force them grow up, and he's giving them tough love.

Let me ask you this, would you feel at all bad if you somehow found out for certain that your interpretation is incorrect?

 

[BisexualMMA]

I forgot to mention the Yoda scene which Yoda felt so out of place I actually at first thought it was Snoke projecting a fake Yoda or like a representation of the darkness in Luke or something. So that was kinda weird.

I think it was one of the meta-statements that Rian Johnson decided on making early in the writing process and wrote the story around.

 

[BisexualMMA]

Let me ask you this, would you feel at all bad if you somehow found out for certain that your interpretation is incorrect?

Let's cross that bridge when you come up with the incontrovertible evidence that Rian Johnson doesn't troll his audience.

 

[Goonerview]

The average score from Sherdoggers is: 5.98

... Yes, I sat down and calculated that.

 

[Loiosh]

But it's apparently crazy to think that there was a plan to make female empowerment a part of this movie....we were all just "looking for" things to bitch about

Apparently if you make strong female characters, you have an agenda.

If you have strong male characters, you're just making a movie.