Something that needs to be understood by all mma fans...

[2004 account]

You must not have been heard much as a child or something if you feel voicing your opinion on mma forums, social media, and other outlets etc is worthless.

Said some random fuck with no feeling of self worth lol

 

[UFCIsNOTRigged]

There is no middle ground.

The UFC is a monopsony that used its buying power to acquire nearly every promotion that presented a non-insignificant risk to its market share.

Operating a monopsony in the way the UFC has is illegal. and has been used by them to suppress fighters wages, make it financially unviable for competition to arise; and in doing so artificially lowered the bargaining power of its contracted fighters.

The UFC has only been able to get away with this because of how niche MMA was up until 2015-2016. Once the UFC became the mainstream entity it is today a new political administration came into power. As has been well documented Dana has a long business and personal relationship with the former president.

The UFC will eventually face massive civil penalties for this and likely a lawsuit similar to the one the NFL faced; both of those are years and years away.

But no Dana is not simply performing his fiduciary duty by operating a monopsony.

OP I wrote ^ over half a year ago and I am far from the first,

You seem to be the one who has been ignorant to the UFC's market practices. Instead of telling others to educate themselves perhaps you should first educate yourself since this is a topic there have been hundreds of threads about.

Monopsony is an introductory microeconomic concept taught to grade school children in beginners economics courses, this is not exactly verbiage that only an economist can understand.

What exactly was the point of posting this fan video? Do you believe this is some kind of pressing social issue? Are you aware that the average minor league baseball player made less than $15,000 in 2019 while the MLB made over $10 Billion dollars?

The world economy has been decimated over the past two years, average folks do not care that professional athletes are voluntarily signing contracts that are not in their own best interest, they are just trying to put food on the table and provide for their families.

@2004 account you are grandstanding while displaying your own economic illiteracy and calling those who do understand basic economic concepts UFC shills. This is one of the most out of touch threads I have ever seen on Sherdog and I mean that literally.

 

[Fraz]

We need to band together and start giving the fighters all of our money

 

[Lemmy Caution]

What business is UFC fighter pay of mine? These people willingly sign contracts. If the contract is really that bad, why would you sign it? I’m a fan of the sport. I’m not their agent or their mother.

You're a nasty person.

 

[Lemmy Caution]

With the time & energy you've been putting into your crusade for higher fighter pay on this karate forum should have been used outside in the real world. Maybe message Fighters on social media and set up event where you go to the UFC Offices/Apex or a UFC event and hold up signs striking for your cause. Deep down inside you don't care and will willingly watch a UFC event cheering your ass off at fighters expense like the rest of us consumers of this product. A true fan indeed.

Give it a rest, it's all good and all for everyone to be aware of the shady business that the UFC does, but in the end it's the fighters decisions to sign that contract with the UFC willingly knowing what comes with the territory.

Moronic argument. Anyone not feeding the hungry in the world doesn't care about the hungry?

 

[2004 account]

OP I wrote ^ over half a year ago and I am far from the first,

You seem to be the one who has been ignorant to the UFC's market practices. Instead of telling others to educate themselves perhaps you should first educate yourself since this is a topic there have been hundreds of threads about.

Monopsony is an introductory microeconomic concept taught to grade school children in beginners economics courses, this is not exactly verbiage that only an economist can understand.

What exactly was the point of posting this fan video? Do you believe this is some kind of pressing social issue? Are you aware that the average minor league baseball player made less than $15,000 in 2019 while the MLB made over $10 Billion dollars?

The world economy has been decimated over the past two years, average folks do not care that professional athletes are voluntarily signing contracts that are not in their own best interest, they are just trying to put food on the table and provide for their families.

@2004 account you are grandstanding while displaying your own economic illiteracy and calling those who do understand basic economic concepts UFC shills. This is one of the most out of touch threads I have ever seen on Sherdog and I mean that literally.

Are u feeling OK bro? A lot of projection there for someone that essentially agrees with me lol go take a nap bro

 

[2004 account]

Nice but you don't get to decide what a True Fan is.

But do keep at it.

Ok cashew, whatever u say but please stop @Ing me in your threads. I never asked to be part of your sherdog mailing list. I watch all the events I can without reminders.

 

[froggyluv]

Stopped reading at:

Monopsony is an introductory microeconomic concept taught to grade school children in beginners economics courses, this is not exactly verbiage

..enough with the verbal gymnastics and tryna impress everyone with the Queens English

 

[JustBleed69]

TS, you need to understand that they are adult and still sign the contract.

Get over it.

You truly are in the brotherhood of shitty arguments, aren'tcha?

 

[IndyCovaHart]

I just want to see dudes bang.

a/s/l

 

[UFCIsNOTRigged]

Are u feeling OK bro? A lot of projection there for someone that essentially agrees with me lol go take a nap bro

Projection?

You posted a fan video as if it is a revelation that the UFC is a monopsony. They teach this concept to 15 years old, if you did not know what a monopsony was before watching the video thats on you for not understanding basic economic concepts.

You seem to be the one bent out of shape. Why do you care so much about how much money athletes you watch on TV are being paid?

Do you care this much about equality for marginalized groups, economic equality, and civil rights? Or only whether entry level UFC fighters get paid $15,000 to show instead of $12,000?

 

[JosephTessaro]

What business is it then of the people who fight for others rights, who donate to charity, who stand up for the weak, who speak out against injustice?


Its called empathy and you clearly lack it, borderline sociopathic pov you have there bro (is bones your favorite fighter btw?)

one thing is simply not caring and not participating in the adult discussion, another is to take the energy and time to take a stance against the fighters.

Who truly provides you fans with entertainment ? Its the fighters. What if you had a family member that is fighting, would you support them in that case?
Why even side with a multi billion dollar dictatorship of a company? What do you get from it?


Get your priorities straight people, it ain't hard to put yourself in the fighters shoes and understand that the system needs changing.

I don't think @TempleoftheDog said anything wrong or bad, and I have said the same thing in other threads regarding fighter pay. He isn't siding with the UFC either.

I am an MMA fan. Not just a UFC fan. I like watching fights. I watch because I like the entertainment value. I don't really care about how much a fighter makes because that's their business. I really don't care how much the UFC makes either.

If I want to make more money, I look to see what other opportunities there are out there and decide to take one if it means more income for myself and my family. Fairly simple.

Don't sign the contract if you are unhappy with it.

 

[Billthebutcher]

lol.
a true fan pays for UFC ppvs.
and doesn't whine about fighter pay or raised ppv prices, because UFC loses $$ while "true fans" are exploiting ways to watch UFC content for free.

 

[Lemmy Caution]

We need to band together and start giving the fighters all of our money

That makes no sense. The UFC could easily double the pay, but chose not to.

What we need to do is stop paying for UFC events. Just as we need to stop buying from Amazon, a company that killed (if not murdered) half a dozen employees last year.

People need to vote with their money. It's the only thing companies care about. Spotify just lost $4 billion in one day.

Of course, you can't compare real companies to a shoddy outfit like the UFC. But the principles are the same.

 

[Kb7]

Moronic argument. Anyone not feeding the hungry in the world doesn't care about the hungry?

Moronic comparison. You think people who live in a 3rd World countries dying from starvation chose to be in that environment? No, they were born into that environment or put into that environment. Off course people care about someone who is starving but some people just don't have the resources to help while others do. There is food banks and food drives for that very purpose.

Fighters literally chose this path to be in the UFC, willingly knowingly what pay will be. If they wanted a better paying job, they should have put their time and energy into a proper occupation or a proper sport with higher pay scale NFL, Soccer, MLB, NBA etc.

 

[UFCIsNOTRigged]

What business is it then of the people who fight for others rights, who donate to charity, who stand up for the weak, who speak out against injustice?


Its called empathy and you clearly lack it, borderline sociopathic pov you have there bro (is bones your favorite fighter btw?)

one thing is simply not caring and not participating in the adult discussion, another is to take the energy and time to take a stance against the fighters.

Who truly provides you fans with entertainment ? Its the fighters. What if you had a family member that is fighting, would you support them in that case?
Why even side with a multi billion dollar dictatorship of a company? What do you get from it?


Get your priorities straight people, it ain't hard to put yourself in the fighters shoes and understand that the system needs changing.

What injustice are you speaking out over?

That professional athletes you watch on television are signing employment agreements that stipulate they be paid a level of compensation that you personally do not agree with?


You are a real principled guy and definitely not a buffoon who has never worked a day in their life.

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[Kryptt]

Ok cashew, whatever u say but please stop @Ing me in your threads. I never asked to be part of your sherdog mailing list. I watch all the events I can without reminders.

Certainly but cashew?

lmao pathettic!

And done...

 

[TempleoftheDog]

Certainly but cashew?

lmao pathettic!

And done...

Being on your pbp thread mailing list is an honour (even if I had to ask why I wasn’t on it to begin with). I’m informed of pretty much any mma event in any promotion around the world (even if I don’t watch them all). At least I hear about them.

You do good work. Keep it up.

 

[UFCIsNOTRigged]

I just want to point out that while TS seems absolutely enthralled by the fighter pay issue and these injustices being done to professional mixed martial artists, he's also the same guy who was joking about the Bare Knuckle Fighter who passed months ago. There's a real disconnect.

@2004 account

Why were you mocking the tragic death of Justin Thornton?

So it is okay if combat athletes like Justin Thornton suffer miserable deaths, as long as combat athletes in your favorite promotion are paid more?

Please explain your lack of empathy for us UFC shills?

 

[Joshuagilbert91]

Yeah, I think fighters should make more. Some have, others haven't. But at the end of the day, the fighter signed the contract. I'm sure he had his agent look over it, so there's really no room to complain if they haven't earned a bump to their pay. Just my opinion though.