Something that needs to be understood by all mma fans...

[Substance Abuse]

Not big on the bellator card. I'm not a big fan of wrestling, but the Royal Rumble is always worth a casual watch and that's tonight.

Whatever floats your boat. Enjoy your night man. I'll gonna get a good buzz, lol.

 

[Orochimaru 大蛇丸]

At least you didn't deny it. No need to get in your feelings. Carry on.

"Mod Abuse"

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

I have something to tell you...

I can't tell if you're suggesting that checking out one match in the entirety of a year makes someone not a casual (which would be pretty fucking dumb of you, lesbe honest), or if you're suggesting it's not worth it (which... I mean, yeah, I might not disagree with that)

The Royal Rumble is often the biggest event for casuals, cuz it never needs stories, you don't need to follow it, and it's a good opportunity for a pooled gamble. You telling me you've never heard of Rumble parties? Groups of people who don't watch any wrestling will get together with a few people who do, then pool some money, get assigned numbers, and the winner walks off with the pot.

I never watch football, don't give a shit about the games. Dislike the sport as a whole. But there's always gonna be someone watching the superbowl and you can bet on it. Watching it doesn't make me a football fan

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

I just want to point out that while TS seems absolutely enthralled by the fighter pay issue and these injustices being done to professional mixed martial artists, he's also the same guy who was joking about the Bare Knuckle Fighter who passed months ago. There's a real disconnect.

I'm pretty sure true_fan is a troll account, but I don't keep a running tick of users and their gimmicks. Maybe I'm getting him mixed up with the dozen or so "___ fan" users I've seen and forgot.

 

[froggyluv]

PR tip to the plantiffs:

Nobodys and i mean nododys gonna award THIS guy 1.8 Billion dollars

..get this guy in as The Face of the Movement fast

 

[Black Paladin]

I just want to see dudes bang.

Okay.

 

[Orochimaru 大蛇丸]

The thing is, my job is underpaid. Many jobs are underpaid. Taking the opinion that you shouldn't care about others should mean that they don't care about mine, and nothing goes anywhere. I'm not under any impression that posting about it on a forum will change things, but it does certainly reveal the people who don't give a shit if it doesn't.

Look, all problems are relative. The biggest problem in your life being smaller than the biggest problem in someone else's doesn't make it less of a problem for you. Having someone tell you that, trivializes your life. When someone takes the stance people parrot here about 'bigger problems' when talking about your own problems, they're just telling you they think you're insignificant.

I get what you're saying, maybe I shouldn't have posted that, because yeah I ultimately agree with you. Sometimes with all the shit going on in the world though, it seems a little silly to spend hours talking about Francis deserving 30 million and not 7 million lol. Especially on Sherdog where I come to have fun, not talk about negative, depressing shit.

And I don't like the attitude many people have where if you question anything you get a bunch of people down your throat calling you a bootlicker or whatever. I don't know if people have always been like that, or if it's worse now, but that mentality has turned me off from discussing politics, or anything in that realm, because if you have a nuanced point of view on anything both sides accuse you of being an extremist on the other side, and "against them." Even if you more or less agree with them, if you say anything that could be perceived as questioning them you're on the other side.

 

[Jorge Luis Borges]

There’s an inherent question of who owns the revenue. Fighters aren’t limited in where they can go. They are limited in the revenue they can draw depending on where they go.

Wmma fighters automatically took a smaller share of revenue when the ufc added wmma. It added choice to wmma fighters, increased pay all around, but their share of revenue went down. Was it bad for wmma? Same for FLW……

1. Fighters are definitely limited in where they can go. Only a few MMA orgs completely control the domestic market.
2. Very solid point about WMMA and the lighter weight classes.
3. I think one of the reasons a predetermined revenue split makes more sense in league sports is that all (or most) of them have a stable number of teams, set roster sizes, and relatively stable revenue. Every time they fire three guys, they are going to immediately hire three more at relatively similar salaries.
4. Individual sports that treat athletes like contractors generally payout a low percentage of revenue to the athletes. The UFC is not even the worst in this category, although it is among the worst. Women's tennis for example is worse. The obvious problem seems to be the lack of collective bargaining for athletes, although I think there are other contributing factors as well.

 

[true_fan]

@true_fan

110%

 

[true_fan]

...How the ufc has a monopsony (because there is way too much ignorance and complacency about the subject on here) and this video not only does a good job describing what it is, it lays out the entire explanation of how the ufc is doing its fighters dirty with their contracts, policies and pay.


A true fan cares about the fighters well being, unlike the ufc and their shills.

Yes my brother I agree and approve this post! Yours truly @true_fan

 

[Substance Abuse]

"Mod Abuse"

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

Is abusing mods also "mod abuse?" Cuz I do have a pointed stick..

 

[mjfan23]

It's crazy you actually think you're disrupting something by being a dick to people on Sherdog

You must not have been heard much as a child or something if you feel voicing your opinion on mma forums, social media, and other outlets etc is worthless.

 

[Kryptt]

...How the ufc has a monopsony (because there is way too much ignorance and complacency about the subject on here) and this video not only does a good job describing what it is, it lays out the entire explanation of how the ufc is doing its fighters dirty with their contracts, policies and pay.


A true fan cares about the fighters well being, unlike the ufc and their shills.

Nice but you don't get to decide what a True Fan is.

But do keep at it.

 

[kflo]

1. Fighters are definitely limited in where they can go. Only a few MMA orgs completely control the domestic market.
2. Very solid point about WMMA and the lighter weight classes.
3. I think one of the reasons a predetermined revenue split makes more sense in league sports is that all (or most) of them have a stable number of teams, set roster sizes, and relatively stable revenue. Every time they fire three guys, they are going to immediately hire three more at relatively similar salaries.
4. Individual sports that treat athletes like contractors generally payout a low percentage of revenue to the athletes. The UFC is not even the worst in this category, although it is among the worst. Women's tennis for example is worse. The obvious problem seems to be the lack of collective bargaining for athletes, although I think there are other contributing factors as well.

Mma is a global market though.

I don’t disagree with a lot of what you say of course.

And people have to accept that there is a market beyond the ufc that is a reference point for fighter salaries. The yankees aren’t going to pay 50% of their revenue towards their players because they are competing with franchises for talent that make a fraction of what they do. And the players aren’t “entitled” to 50% of their revenue just because they sign with the team that has the highest revenue.

 

[Substance Abuse]

Is abusing mods also "mod abuse?" Cuz I do have a pointed stick..

 

[Shaddows]

The video is good. I love the information.
Thank you!

 

[Darbo]

What business is UFC fighter pay of mine? These people willingly sign contracts. If the contract is really that bad, why would you sign it? I’m a fan of the sport. I’m not their agent or their mother.

Massively myopic post.

 

[Kb7]

Dont be so basic, change is needed and sometimes change comes from within, from disgruntled employees (who are deemed contractors in this case, but how do you explain then that they are locked up for a year after their contracts expire in some cases?) This and many more inconsistencies are what need changing , the system needs a reform and you shills and intolerant mods need to understand that this hot topic is here to stay and you cant silence or censor it. Its a shame yall call yourselves fans of mma, have been here for longer than a decade in some cases and yet Jake fuckin Paul is speaking up and doing more for the just cause than you are.

And what exactly are you doing besides bitching about it constantly on a Karate Forum? You been creating threads like these while belittling anyone calling them shills and what not when they don't agree fully to your conviction. If you truly were all in on your crusade you wouldn't be here, you would be picketing, holding up signs at UFC events bringing to the forefront to those fans going to events. Instead you're here & you will still be here years from now crying about something us fans really have no control over.

 

[Kryptt]

And what exactly are you doing besides bitching about it constantly on a Karate Forum? You been creating threads like these while belittling anyone calling them shills and what not when they don't agree fully to your conviction. If you truly were all in on your crusade you wouldn't be here, you would be picketing, holding up signs at UFC events bringing to the forefront to those fans going to events. Instead you're here & you will still be here years from now crying about something us fans really have no control over.

No one will grab their flag and go...

Which is basically why I use most threads like this for gifs and spittle...