Something that needs to be understood by all mma fans...

[Mohawk Banditó]

Seriously, I agree fighters are massively underpaid, but so are many other people in other fields, but I don't see anyone constantly bickering about those. Also, the topic is kinda tiresome.

This is an MMA forum. People aren't going to post here about how teachers and police are underpaid.

Unless you mean you don't hear those arguments at all. In which case, I'd say: what the fuck are you talking about? Do you live in this world?

I mean, you can easily say "I like chocolate, iphones, and diamonds but the people who basically work as death slaves in jungles, factories, and mines willingly work there and their lives don't affect me so why should I care?"

Everyone willingly works, but the work can still be shitty. Why do I constantly get this retarded parroting of the same idiotic concept of that can only be held by ignorant children or disillusioned boot-licking adults? Not everyone loves their jobs or think they're treated fairly. It is actually the majority feeling because the majority are correct in that workers are not treated fairly. Not in a market where top pay is over 400 times the worker on average when production and inflation are constantly increasing. You're shitting on people being unhappy for legitimately being unhappy because you're also unhappy. But you willingly work too, so I guess just shut up and take your boss' dick?

Enjoy that life

 

[Sasha]

Fighters should get paid more and get a higher percentage of overall revenue. However, you sign a contract, it's on you. I see both sides of this argument. I side with the fighters but ultimately, I want to watch fights, talk about them and not read a million threads about the same thing. It is what it is.

That's all there is to say really.

 

[Orochimaru 大蛇丸]

With the time & energy you've been putting into your crusade for higher fighter pay on this karate forum should have been used outside in the real world. Maybe message Fighters on social media and set up event where you go to the UFC Offices/Apex or a UFC event and hold up signs striking for your cause. Deep down inside you don't care and will willingly watch a UFC event cheering your ass off at fighters expense like the rest of us consumers of this product. A true fan indeed.

Give it a rest, it's all good and all for everyone to be aware of the shady business that the UFC does, but in the end it's the fighters decisions to sign that contract with the UFC willingly knowing what comes with the territory.

It's no different than WWE fans hating Vince McMahon 20 years ago, they just enjoy hating the boss, or the big corporation. It's a part of the entertainment for them.

 

[Sasha]

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[Mohawk Banditó]

There are a lot worse injustices going on in the world lol

There's always worse injustices. The biggest injustice is the constant need for people to do whatever they can get normalize injustices so we don't have to address them, often by comparing them to other injustices.

There it is

At least you admit it, bud

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

The whole point of understanding the monoposony power of the UFC is that it answers this very question. People willingly sign unjust contracts because their choices are artificially limited. Their willingness to make the best of a bad situation does not negate the unjust nature of that situation.

Gotta assume these are like the same people who are like, "Hey, those sluts chose to fuck Weinstein. I have absolutely no concept of the career blackmail they face for not accepting to give up their bodies. It's totally standard for people to use their power to put you into the disadvantageous position of having to pick terrible options, then it's your fault for picking."

 

[Sasha]

Of course they deserve more. But that is literally their agent’s job. It’s not my problem. And the obsession with fighter pay in here is literally the craziest thing I’ve ever seen in over two decades on the internet and reading forums for several different sports.

It’s not even as simple as just not clicking on specific threads bitching about fighter pay. It’s almost impossible to read any thread at all these days without somebody mentioning it. It’s fucking bizarre.

Yeah I totally agree but let's get back on the holy topic
FIGHTER PAY

Sometimes, when I wonder if something is right or wrong, I ask myself "how much would Dana pay a fighter to do that ?"
And then I have my answer.

 

[Substance Abuse]

The Shills are out in force. Holyshit!!!

You're a shill who's shilling for the other shills against the anti-shills, you shill.

 

[20falarVerdades]

This is an MMA forum. People aren't going to post here about how teachers and police are underpaid.

Unless you mean you don't hear those arguments at all. In which case, I'd say: what the fuck are you talking about? Do you live in this world?

I mean, you can easily say "I like chocolate, iphones, and diamonds but the people who basically work as death slaves in jungles, factories, and mines willingly work there and their lives don't affect me so why should I care?"

Everyone willingly works, but the work can still be shitty. Why do I constantly get this retarded parroting of the same idiotic concept of that can only be held by ignorant children or disillusioned boot-licking adults? Not everyone loves their jobs or think they're treated fairly. It is actually the majority feeling because the majority are correct in that workers are not treated fairly. Not in a market where top pay is over 400 times the worker on average when production and inflation are constantly increasing. You're shitting on people being unhappy for legitimately being unhappy because you're also unhappy. But you willingly work too, so I guess just shut up and take your boss' dick?

Enjoy that life

Yes, highly-skilled individuals whose skills are in equally high demand get the biggest slice of the pie. It's just how power laws work.

You are not paid for how much value you generate, you are paid for your perceived value, and that's capitalism, its all about competition

 

[mjfan23]

What business is UFC fighter pay of mine? These people willingly sign contracts. If the contract is really that bad, why would you sign it? I’m a fan of the sport. I’m not their agent or their mother.

There’s only two stances you can have on inequality and inequity: you either enable it or disrupt it. You are an enabler!

Especially odd considering you are Canadian.

 

[TerrorTimmy]

What business is UFC fighter pay of mine? These people willingly sign contracts. If the contract is really that bad, why would you sign it? I’m a fan of the sport. I’m not their agent or their mother.

Apparently empathy isn't something you're familiar with. That's a defining trait of sociopaths.

I'm sure you're a wonderful, balanced individual who cares deeply for others. Absolutely. Definitely. Probably. Maybe.

 

[mjfan23]

You're a shill who's shilling for the other shills against the anti-shills, you shill.

Shill out guys before this mod cards someone

 

[Swarthy]

You're a shill who's shilling for the other shills against the anti-shills, you shill.

Shills to the left of me shillers to the right.

 

[kflo]

What business is it then of the people who fight for others rights, who donate to charity, who stand up for the weak, who speak out against injustice?


Its called empathy and you clearly lack it, borderline sociopathic pov you have there bro (is bones your favorite fighter btw?)

one thing is simply not caring and not participating in the adult discussion, another is to take the energy and time to take a stance against the fighters.

Who truly provides you fans with entertainment ? Its the fighters. What if you had a family member that is fighting, would you support them in that case?
Why even side with a multi billion dollar dictatorship of a company? What do you get from it?


Get your priorities straight people, it ain't hard to put yourself in the fighters shoes and understand that the system needs changing.

A different system wouldn’t automatically be better for the majority of fighters..

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

Yes, highly-skilled individuals

HAHAHAHA grow up

Oh. That's rude and nasty.

Enjoy that life.

Ah, I see ya edited. No, it's not rude. It's not even arguable. It's just factual. "Holding back progress." That's what that point of view is.

There’s only two stances you can have on inequality and inequity: you either enable it or disrupt it. You are an enabler!

Especially odd considering you are Canadian.

There's a weird phenomenon with human nature when it comes to normalizing shit. You think you can just remove yourself from it, but inaction usually causes you to become indifferent to it. And then the more you hear about some bullshit over and over, the more you actually find yourself becoming annoyed by it, and a resentment grows until you're almost actually fighting against it. All it takes is a constant overexposition of something for you to become not only not caring, but jaded to and ultimately oppositional to it. Weird psychology shit how that can happen to anyone. Anyone.

You're a shill who's shilling for the other shills against the anti-shills, you shill.

Hi, how ya doin?

 

[Poirierfan]

Fighters should get paid more and get a higher percentage of overall revenue. However, you sign a contract, it's on you. I see both sides of this argument. I side with the fighters but ultimately, I want to watch fights, talk about them and not read a million threads about the same thing. It is what it is.

Touche Amigo.

 

[Orochimaru 大蛇丸]

There's always worse injustices. The biggest injustice is the constant need for people to do whatever they can get normalize injustices so we don't have to address them, often by comparing them to other injustices.


At least you admit it, bud

Lol I really don't know why this stuff is so personal to so many of you guys. Almost everyone responding to the thread more or less agrees fighters aren't treated fairly and need a union, most of us have discussed it at length before. Some of us just don't want to discuss it nonstop and see 100 threads regurgitating the same shit every day.

That's not "normalizing injustices" I just don't get on Sherdog to be whine about fighter pay in an echo chamber every day like many seem to. When the Francis interview with Ariel came out, I was discussing it all day because it was relevant, and new information was presented. Almost a week later all the points have been made, we all get it, it gets old. And it's frankly negative, and not fun to talk about.

 

[Substance Abuse]

HAHAHAHA grow up


Ah, I see ya edited. No, it's not rude. It's not even arguable. It's just factual. "Holding back progress." That's what that point of view is.


There's a weird phenomenon with human nature when it comes to normalizing shit. You think you can just remove yourself from it, but inaction usually causes you to become indifferent to it. And then the more you hear about some bullshit over and over, the more you actually find yourself becoming annoyed by it, and a resentment grows until you're almost actually fighting against it. All it takes is a constant overexposition of something for you to become not only not caring, but jaded to and ultimately oppositional to it. Weird psychology shit how that can happen to anyone. Anyone.


Hi, how ya doin?

Awaiting the Belloltor card tonight and some beers. How about you, my friend?

 

[Substance Abuse]

Shills to the left of me shillers to the right.

 

[kflo]

The whole point of understanding the monoposony power of the UFC is that it answers this very question. People willingly sign unjust contracts because their choices are artificially limited. Their willingness to make the best of a bad situation does not negate the unjust nature of that situation.

There’s an inherent question of who owns the revenue. Fighters aren’t limited in where they can go. They are limited in the revenue they can draw depending on where they go.

Wmma fighters automatically took a smaller share of revenue when the ufc added wmma. It added choice to wmma fighters, increased pay all around, but their share of revenue went down. Was it bad for wmma? Same for FLW……