Something that needs to be understood by all mma fans...

Mohawk Banditó said:
Gotta assume these are like the same people who are like, "Hey, those sluts chose to fuck Weinstein. I have absolutely no concept of the career blackmail they face for not accepting to give up their bodies. It's totally standard for people to use their power to put you into the disadvantageous position of having to pick terrible options, then it's your fault for picking."
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So they didn't choose to fuck him?
 
mjfan23 said:
Was he tried for rape and sexual assault or consensual sex?
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Some chose to fuck him for movie roles. I think he raped two other chicks tho.

If you fuck someone in exchange for a movie, that's on you. Get no pity from me.

But the rape victims, they get my sympathy.
 
2004 account said:
Dont be so basic, change is needed and sometimes change comes from within, from disgruntled employees (who are deemed contractors in this case, but how do you explain then that they are locked up for a year after their contracts expire in some cases?) This and many more inconsistencies are what need changing , the system needs a reform and you shills and intolerant mods need to understand that this hot topic is here to stay and you cant silence or censor it. Its a shame yall call yourselves fans of mma, have been here for longer than a decade in some cases and yet Jake fuckin Paul is speaking up and doing more for the just cause than you are.
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It is that basic. Contract. Sign or don't. They are adults. If you are more invested in changing this than they are, this is not your tree to bark up.
 
2004 account said:
What business is it then of the people who fight for others rights, who donate to charity, who stand up for the weak, who speak out against injustice?....
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It is only injustice if the courts say it is injustice.

If it is injustice, then what about the injustice to millions of workers who get rag-dolled by their employers non-stop? About 4.3 million of them changed or quit their jobs in November last year. Fighters don't have contracts that keep them from changing jobs. They can compete with the rest of us for all kinds of jobs.

The solution is to expand the popularity of the sport so that the market will take care of itself.
 
kflo said:
I guess no one wants to answer this……no surprise…..
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It’s an interesting question, I’ve just been observing this thread because both sides, in general, have seemed to take their stance very personal. So I’ve stayed clear. But I like your posts so I’m gonna just play the opposing view.

But, back to your question, if I take the stance that fighter pay should consume 50% of the profit in general, then I would say yes it should. I think if i were to anchor my belief in just fighter pay as a percentage of revenue, I would have to believe total revenue earned for a prelim would be equally dinged in total revenue earned. Basically a main event would earn more rev substantially than the early prelims but both sets of fighters earn their respective 50%, keeping total labor costs at 50% of rev.

I don’t think it’s unreasonable to think that those things would move together with some stickiness.
 
It's Trickle Down Fuckanomics...

But get used to it... Not changin fer decades..
 
oscerthegrouch said:
Try to work for Pepsi and go into break room and have coke..... .... co promoting specially to diff sports or rival companys is dumb if Frances was so good at boxing when he went France he wouldnt had go to mma
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Good analogy. Or drive a foreign car to work for the big 3. I was told you could get your car keyed for doing that, back in the day.
 
Mohawk Banditó said:
There's always worse injustices. The biggest injustice is the constant need for people to do whatever they can get normalize injustices so we don't have to address them, often by comparing them to other injustices.
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A million wrongs don't make a right.

Funny thing is, all/most of those injustices are all rooted in the same evil. Greed and consolidated and unchecked power.
And there seems to be no easy solution.

People are drawn into a left vs right illusion when in reality neither will fix the problem. Wealth and power exist in such wild extremes that they are above the bipartisan system, or maybe more accurately, they own both sides.

Anyway...
It is good that the fighter pay situation is gaining more attention. It certainly isn't going to improve without it, the UFC isn't going to decide to take a significant slice out of their profits when the new owners are still trying to recoup on a multi billion dollar investment.
 
TempleoftheDog said:
What business is UFC fighter pay of mine? These people willingly sign contracts. If the contract is really that bad, why would you sign it? I’m a fan of the sport. I’m not their agent or their mother.
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10k posts in two years and you couldn't give a shit about fighter welfare when they take brain damage for a living. Perfect example of why the MMA fan base is the worst in all sport.
 
Luvhawky said:
It’s an interesting question, I’ve just been observing this thread because both sides, in general, have seemed to take their stance very personal. So I’ve stayed clear. But I like your posts so I’m gonna just play the opposing view.

But, back to your question, if I take the stance that fighter pay should consume 50% of the profit in general, then I would say yes it should. I think if i were to anchor my belief in just fighter pay as a percentage of revenue, I would have to believe total revenue earned for a prelim would be equally dinged in total revenue earned. Basically a main event would earn more rev substantially than the early prelims but both sets of fighters earn their respective 50%, keeping total labor costs at 50% of rev.

I don’t think it’s unreasonable to think that those things would move together with some stickiness.
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Thanks for answering because I think it’s a relevant question yet no one wants to address it because it is uncomfortable for them to answer.

It’s possible that the incremental value to espn is greater for that early prelim spot (for whatever reason - entice viewers to subscribe to espn+, etc) so they pay more. They don’t care about the names, they just trust the ufc brand and management. So they pay for the content. The fighters then are ENTITLED to 50%. It just doesn’t hold up, imo. There is a market for those fighters, and the company negotiating the deal shouldn’t be beholden to some arbitrary requirement.

But I appreciate you taking a principled stance and sticking with it, and I won’t say it’s wrong. I just have a different view. I think there has to be some grounding in the broader actual mma market for talent.

Just like it wouldn’t make sense to say the yankees have to pay 50% of their revenue back to the players when they make 2x the revenue of every other team (I’m making up the 2x part for effect :)).
 
ryun253 said:
I just want to see dudes bang.
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I always liked you ryun

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Had to look up the term 'monopsony' because it is not a very common one. Some definitions:

  • Cambridge: 'a situation in a market in which there is only one buyer for goods or services offered by several sellers'
  • Wikipedia: 'a monopsony is a market structure in which a single buyer substantially controls the market as the major purchaser of goods and services offered by many would-be sellers.'

The UFC is definitely not the only buyer for goods and services of these fighters, there are many other organisations obviously such as Bellator, M1, KSW, Rizin. I also wouldn't argue that they control the market for purchasing their services. Rather, they pay a generally higher rate than other buyers, have a higher earning ceiling, and have a higher prestige than the other organisations, and thus are the most attractive to the fighters.
 
I think that they should reduce salaries in boxing, 10 / 10 is enough for all of them.
 
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