So what happened with the Wall?

[Jack V Savage]

That's not the point. Of course a wall would work to stop people from walking over to the US. A mine field would be even better and cheaper.
But it's not the most efficient way, the most efficient way is to go after employers. Going after employers would not only curb walk-in migration but also all other kinds of illegal immigration, be it by land, boat or air.

Israel case is a bit different, they're not even trying to stop illegal migration, they're trying to stop suicide bombers and other kinds of terrorists. You can't stop a car loaded with explosives by going after employers. A simple fence would also not be enough.

A better example, I believe, would be Hungary. They stopped the migrant flow with a fence and police. But they actually had a serious problem at the time, over a million migrants were trying to cross there on their way to Germany and they were laying destruction in their path. If a similar thing was happening in the US, a fence backed by cops would be more effective than a huge concrete wall.

Good post, but the broader point was just that people are dishonestly treating criticism of rhetoric (which, NB, is empty) and obviously inefficient, symbolic means as if it were criticism of the idea of increased border security, which is actually uncontroversial from a policy standpoint.

 

[Scheme]

That's not the point. Of course a wall would work to stop people from walking over to the US. A mine field would be even better and cheaper.
But it's not the most efficient way, the most efficient way is to go after employers. Going after employers would not only curb walk-in migration but also all other kinds of illegal immigration, be it by land, boat or air.

Israel case is a bit different, they're not even trying to stop illegal migration, they're trying to stop suicide bombers and other kinds of terrorists. You can't stop a car loaded with explosives by going after employers. A simple fence would also not be enough.

A better example, I believe, would be Hungary. They stopped the migrant flow with a fence and police. But they actually had a serious problem at the time, over a million migrants were trying to cross there on their way to Germany and they were laying destruction in their path. If a similar thing was happening in the US, a fence backed by cops would be more effective than a huge concrete wall.

A wall doesn't only help prevent illegal immigrants working in US, but also in preventing contraband from entering the country and criminals from entering and flight risks from leaving.

There's a big problem growing in the US with MS-13 on the up and rise, and all the cartel violence that makes South/Central America the deadliest places on the planet. Latin America has something like 80% of the most violent cities in the world in the top 50 in terms of homicide rate, which is crazy when you stop to think about it.

When to the south of you is literally the most dangerous zones in the world, I would think a wall would be more popular.

Also with the whole heroin epidemic going on and drug deaths being at an all time high, it will be useful to cut the supply of these things off, the main supplier being from Mexico/South America.

 

[MicroBrew]

GOP corporate donors don't want the Wall. NeoCons are opposed to curbs on illegal immigration.
It's the grass roots that want the Wall. Trump is president now, so why the eff would he care about the grass roots.

 

[D3thr0n3d K1ng]

actually, the wall did work. the problem was Ming dynasty collapsed from the inside due to civil war and peasant uprising.

Yeah it was 'the Ming dynasty collapsing form inside'.

Thats why 20% of all Chinese or more trace their ancestry to the guy in post #121.

 

[D3thr0n3d K1ng]

GOP corporate donors don't want the Wall. NeoCons are opposed to curbs on illegal immigration.
It's the grass roots that want the Wall. Trump is president now, so why the eff would he care about the grass roots.

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The oligarchs who support the GOP benefit from all the illegal laborers from Latin America who pour in and are willing to work for MW. Even the ones who dont hire them benefit as they help to depress wages by being willing to work for that when Murkans wont. Remember the thread someone posted weeks back about a company being busted for this?

Trump and the oligarchs just tell the morans what they want to hear and the morans eat it up like they always have. Its always 'dont blame us that your wages suck and you cant afford anything while we live like kings, its all the blacks/mexicans/latinos/irish/gays/ fault!!! get mad at them!!'

And the peasants eat that zhit up like pigeons feeding from the oligarchs hands.

 

[The Best JG]

That's not the point. Of course a wall would work to stop people from walking over to the US. A mine field would be even better and cheaper.
But it's not the most efficient way, the most efficient way is to go after employers. Going after employers would not only curb walk-in migration but also all other kinds of illegal immigration, be it by land, boat or air.

Israel case is a bit different, they're not even trying to stop illegal migration, they're trying to stop suicide bombers and other kinds of terrorists. You can't stop a car loaded with explosives by going after employers. A simple fence would also not be enough.

A better example, I believe, would be Hungary. They stopped the migrant flow with a fence and police. But they actually had a serious problem at the time, over a million migrants were trying to cross there on their way to Germany and they were laying destruction in their path. If a similar thing was happening in the US, a fence backed by cops would be more effective than a huge concrete wall.

Labour is expensive in the states. They would have to hire cheap mexican labour to man the wall

 

[oleDirtyBast4rd]

what about the claim that millions of illegals voted in the election? whatever happened to that?

They directly effect representstion in border states. Keep pretending they need to cast a ballot to do so.

 

[HIMBOB]

On Chinese made plywood. Most of the actual wood used to make the plywood is from Russia and North America. The government claims dumping and there is some evidence to support the claim. I suspect it will hurt some Chinese cities a bit but the jobs are unlikely to come back to US. It only took us about 10 days to switch our supply line to Mexico and much of the industry was already shifting away from China to Vietnam and Thailand because China had become too expensive

So if you thought a retroactive tax was coming why didn't you switch earlier?

Also you seem very factual and impartial towards this legislation. It sounds like a terrible idea, whats your view?

 

[oleDirtyBast4rd]

"Tesla's enormous battery in Australia is responding to outages in record time"

If Elon Musk can set up a backup battery system for South Australia's power grid, in way less than a year, what is Trump's excuse?

In March, Musk, who is known for setting high goals and only sometimes meeting them, vowed on Twitter to deliver a battery system for South Australia's struggling grid within 100 days or it would be free. By early July, the state had signed a deal with California-based Tesla and the French-based energy company Neoen to produce the battery. And by Dec. 1, South Australia announced it had switched on the Hornsdale battery.

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-tesla-battery-australia-20171226-story.html

Hahahaha are you admitting that the government fucks everything up and should have less control over our daily lives?

 

[kenetics]

They can't find Americans to build it lol. Work to hard .

 

[woodguyatl]

So if you thought a retroactive tax was coming why didn't you switch earlier?

Also you seem very factual and impartial towards this legislation. It sounds like a terrible idea, whats your view?

So if you thought a retroactive tax was coming why didn't you switch earlier?

Also you seem very factual and impartial towards this legislation. It sounds like a terrible idea, whats your view?

Even with charging an extra 65% in case of a tariff Chinese ply was still cheapest. Almost every sheet of ply in the US comes from China so no importer has a competitive advantage. A 200% tariff will mean some other countries with no or lower duties will be cheaper. The US makers still can’t compete though.

We did have a plan in place in case things didn’t go our way with the DOC which we executed a few weeks ago.

Technically it is not legislation it is a Commerce ruling. Whether the ruling is corrrect or not doesn’t matter a lot since all importers are playing by the same rules. If the goal is to create/protect US jobs though a blanket tariff on all ply imports high enough to make US makers competitive would be the way to go.

Also China was a pain. For instance, we paid someone to watch every sheet of plywood get loaded into the containers, sealed, and then followed the container to port to prevent the plywood from getting swapped for lower quality stuff en route.

 

[Bloodworth]

It's an old scam. Run on racial resentment, deliver oligarchy.

Lol, you don't think the u.s has a south American iillegl immigrant crisis with poor border control?
He ran on a subject other candidates would not even bring up.

President Trump is doing what any real citizen would want.

 

[Bloodworth]

I heard the Chinese had great success with theirs.

Chinese, Jewish, wall around the Vatican.

Throughout history a wall was the cheapest, most effective and symbolic feature a society could have.

How many millions were just freed up by spanking the u.n

 

[7437]

Lol, you don't think the u.s has a south American iillegl immigrant crisis with poor border control?
He ran on a subject other candidates would not even bring up.

President Trump is doing what any real citizen would want.

its not a crisis.

 

[Bloodworth]

its not a crisis.

Maybe not crisis level, but there is a serious problem. A guy in c.a. deported multiple times on felonies entered a last time and killed. Citizen

Major job sectors like fast food, construction, house keeping, nursing, landscaping and restaurants have been taken over.

The money they send out of the country is on a damaging level.
No other immigrant group has sent cash out of the u.s. like the ones today.

But getting back to the illegal who entered 5 times.
A very large percentage of times these people cross over with a gun.
For protection and a quick sale for cash when they arrive.

In 2018 in a future modern country there should be better accountability for the border and who is in the country.
It's common sense

 

[Big Nasty Edison]

Major job sectors like fast food, construction, house keeping, nursing, landscaping and restaurants have been taken over.

Then maybe we should have tougher punishments for hiring illegal workers?

A very large percentage of times these people cross over with a gun.
For protection and a quick sale for cash when they arrive.

Source?

 

[tonni]

Those Palestinians have not even living continuously in that land

 

[MMAViewer]

A wall doesn't only help prevent illegal immigrants working in US, but also in preventing contraband from entering the country and criminals from entering and flight risks from leaving.

There's a big problem growing in the US with MS-13 on the up and rise, and all the cartel violence that makes South/Central America the deadliest places on the planet. Latin America has something like 80% of the most violent cities in the world in the top 50 in terms of homicide rate, which is crazy when you stop to think about it.

When to the south of you is literally the most dangerous zones in the world, I would think a wall would be more popular.

Also with the whole heroin epidemic going on and drug deaths being at an all time high, it will be useful to cut the supply of these things off, the main supplier being from Mexico/South America.

What about alcohol then? Do you realise that it causes more deaths than anything you've mentioned? How did prohibition, or how would awall work on that one?

 

[MMAViewer]

They directly effect representstion in border states. Keep pretending they need to cast a ballot to do so.

Source? Because a direct effect is something you can show and prove.
You are wrong, the idea that illegal immigrants are who representatives get their marching orders from is ignorant.

 

[oleDirtyBast4rd]

Source? Because a direct effect is something you can show and prove.
You are wrong, the idea that illegal immigrants are who representatives get their marching orders from is ignorant.

Our number of representatives are calculated using the census data. The census counts all people including illegal immigrants. Thus illegal immigrants directly effect representation