So what happened with the Wall?

oleDirtyBast4rd said:
Are you pretending that representatives don't really matter and we shouldn't care that Illegals are directly effecting our democracy?
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So let me get this straight... You believe that the only impact illegals are having on our democracy involves their inflation of the census and therefore, potentially, on a state's allotted number of representatives?
 
ultramanhyata said:
So let me get this straight... You believe that the only impact illegals are having on our democracy involves their inflation of the census and therefore, potentially, on a state's allotted number of representatives?
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I NEVER said the ONLY impact illegals have are on representation did I?

You seem to be trying to get me to say something else that you can attack because you have nothing for what I have said thus far. You don't have any issue with illegals directly effecting our democracy?
 
oleDirtyBast4rd said:
I NEVER said the ONLY impact illegals have are on representation did I?

You seem to be trying to get me to say something else that you can attack because you have nothing for what I have said thus far. You don't have any issue with illegals directly effecting our democracy?
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You always try to avoid clearly outlining a position in order to leave yourself room to move goal posts. It indicates a person who is less interested in arriving at correct conclusions and more interested in not getting proved incorrect.

Here's why I am not too concerned about your version of the "impact on democracy" that illegals are having.

From the US Census Bureau:

Can the number of members/seats in the U.S. House of Representatives be increased?

Yes, the number of House seats can be increased by legislation enacted by Congress. However, the number of House seats has remained constant at 435 since 1911, except for a temporary increase to 437 at the time of admission of Alaska and Hawaii as states just prior to the apportionment in 1960.

https://www.census.gov/population/apportionment/about/faq.html#Q12
 
ultramanhyata said:
You always try to avoid clearly outlining a position in order to leave yourself room to move goal posts.
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<TrumpWrong1>
My position was clearly stated and defended.

ultramanhyata said:
Here's why I am not too concerned about your version of the "impact on democracy" that illegals are having.

From the US Census Bureau:

Can the number of members/seats in the U.S. House of Representatives be increased?

Yes, the number of House seats can be increased by legislation enacted by Congress. However, the number of House seats has remained constant at 435 since 1911, except for a temporary increase to 437 at the time of admission of Alaska and Hawaii as states just prior to the apportionment in 1960.
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Would it matter to you if just 1 seat was added due to illegals?
 
Edison Carasio said:
Wow.

1. You really don't understand how going after the American companies that knowingly hire illegal workers is the cheapest, easiest and most effective way to prevent the problems associated with illegal immigration, do you? If illegal immigration hurts job growth ITS BECAUSE AMERICANS ACTIVELY HIRE THEM AND EMPLOY THEM OVER OTHER AMERICANS. If jobs and wages are such a big deal to you then you should be considering companies willingly hiring illegals over citizens as borderline traitors.

2. LOL you made the claim about guns. YOU have to back up YOUR claim with YOUR sources. You don't write a college paper and tell your professor to google your sources cited.

You have truly earned this:

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Ok genius, Trump goes after all the companies tomorrow.
What is your suggestion now you do with these illegals fresh kicked out of work?

Pretty popular gun running case to source would be fast and furious.

Illegal gun crossing was such a problem that they started the investigation.
 
MicroBrew said:
Why? With Trump as head honcho, he could have fast-tracked it through. It didn't a year for Trump to change with US policy and authorize the US embassy moving to Jerusalem , which takes a lot of diplomatic capital and overcoming tremendous international pressure.
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Foreign policy is always easier for a president to unilaterally change. Traditionally, that is always how it has worked.

Trump is not getting any help on building the wall from the GOP-controlled Congress, so he ought to declare it a national security issue and build it himself. Unilaterally.
 
oleDirtyBast4rd said:
<TrumpWrong1>
My position was clearly stated and defended.



Would it matter to you if just 1 seat was added due to illegals?
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This is embarrassing. Why is it so hard for you to admit you lacked information and then, when provided with that information, to revise your position?
 
ultramanhyata said:
This is embarrassing. Why is it so hard for you to admit you lacked information and then, when provided with that information, to revise your position?
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Damn you're pathetic... Can you point out when I revised my position?

Also, you ignored my question to you
 
Illegals will always have a place in this country and the reason goes all the way up to major corporations. While they typically do not hire illegals, the number of illegals in the country directly impacts their bottom line. Corporists or Corporate Apologists (old name for the GOP) are doing everything in their power to protect and advance the agenda of large corporations.

It works like this, if you remove illegal immigrants from the equation and fill that role with American workers then products that were once cheaper will rise in cost due to the American worker not wanting to be paid minimum wage for certain jobs and because there will be a shortage of entry level workers.

The price of common goods has now increased which directly impact the middle class as they are paying more for common goods. The middle class will demand an increase in pay to off set the rise in goods which will directly impact the bottom line of corporations.
 
Bloodworth said:
Ok genius, Trump goes after all the companies tomorrow.
What is your suggestion now you do with these illegals fresh kicked out of work?

Pretty popular gun running case to source would be fast and furious.

Illegal gun crossing was such a problem that they started the investigation.
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<{vega}>
If these illegal workers are here working and sending money back home, and they suddenly find thier means to make money gone, they often leave on thier own.

Stop feeding a stray cat, and it'll stop coming around. It's not that hard to understand if you use you're thinking brain.
 
Edison Carasio said:
<{vega}>
If these illegal workers are here working and sending money back home, and they suddenly find thier means to make money gone, they often leave on thier own.

Stop feeding a stray cat, and it'll stop coming around. It's not that hard to understand if you use you're thinking brain.
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Im sure a lot would leave. Unfortunately lots would turn to crime as well
 
Edison Carasio said:
<{vega}>
If these illegal workers are here working and sending money back home, and they suddenly find thier means to make money gone, they often leave on thier own.

Stop feeding a stray cat, and it'll stop coming around. It's not that hard to understand if you use you're thinking brain.
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So your thinking brain and it's defense is after you fire them, they will return home. Ha ha ha ha
 
oleDirtyBast4rd said:
Im sure a lot would leave. Unfortunately lots would turn to crime as well
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The question I would ask you since I don't know the answer is that when unemployment is high in America do Americans turn to crime to offset the loss of work? Just because an illegal immigrant into this country illegally doesn't mean that they would easily turn to crime like robberies or drugs or things of that nature. A lot of illegals that I have met are just here to have a better life and they aren't just criminals looking for work.
 
Ophydian said:
The question I would ask you since I don't know the answer is that when unemployment is high in America do Americans turn to crime to offset the loss of work? Just because an illegal immigrant into this country illegally doesn't mean that they would easily turn to crime like robberies or drugs or things of that nature. A lot of illegals that I have met are just here to have a better life and they aren't just criminals looking for work.
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Yes, its no secret that when people are down on their luck or struggling financially that many turn to crime.

Im not suggesting because they are illegals they would be more likely to turn to violent crime
 
oleDirtyBast4rd said:
Im sure a lot would leave. Unfortunately lots would turn to crime as well
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So you'd be ok with the companies breaking the law so that illegals don't turn to crime..
You think companies should get all the corporate welfare, incentives, loopholes and amnesty from hiring illegals.
Damn the GOP did a good job brainwashing your shallow ass.
 
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