International Smugglers are deporting immigrants

[Rod1]

Concession accepted.

Yes, i conceded a point i never made.

 

[Strychnine]

The U.S. doesn't need tax revenue from people who work the fields and do hard manual labor that citizens refuse to do.

Right?

 

[AmonTobin]

So the US government is knowingly outsourcing to smugglers to bring illegal immigrants in and out? Shouldn't they be stopping the smugglers?

 

[Stoic1]

The U.S. doesn't need tax revenue.

Now guess how much of our taxes go to fund illegals?

The U.S. House Committee on the Budget - House Budget Committee

The Official U.S. Congressional website of The Republican Budget Committee

budget.house.gov

There ya go.

TLDR: Net lifetime cost/loss of approximately $68,000 per. No net gain.

Sorry. Try again.

 

[Strychnine]

Now guess how much of our taxes go to fund illegals?

The U.S. House Committee on the Budget - House Budget Committee

The Official U.S. Congressional website of The Republican Budget Committee

budget.house.gov

There ya go.

TLDR: Net lifetime cost/loss of approximately $68,000 per. No net gain.

Sorry. Try again.

And who controls the House?

Yeah. Not skewed at all to help enable Cheeto Benito.

Why do you always fall for stuff like this?

 

[Stoic1]

And who controls the House?

Yeah. Not skewed at all to help enable Cheeto Benito.

Why do you always fall for stuff like this?

I stand corrected, Sir.

Your man on the street interviews completely outweighs my documented record complete with research, statistics, and facts.

I'm so foolish.

 

[Strychnine]

I stand corrected, Sir.

Your man on the street interviews completely outweighs my documented record complete with research, statistics, and facts.

I'm so foolish.

Facts don't care about your feelings, nor your propaganda.

Have a nice day.

 

[Stoic1]

Facts don't care about your feelings, nor your propaganda.

Have a nice day.

Congressional record is now propaganda.

Roger that.

I expect you will maintain that position if I reference something like.... the J6 inquiry?

 

[Rod1]

Congressional record is now propaganda.

Roger that.

I expect you will maintain that position if I reference something like.... the J6 inquiry?

Congressional records anything anyone says in Congress. By that logic anything AOC says is facts.


Your own source is misleading because it includes any welfare that US citizens living with illegals get.

 

[Stoic1]

Congressional records anything anyone says in Congress. By that logic anything AOC says is facts.


Your own source is misleading because it includes any welfare that US citizens living with illegals get.

I'm glad you read it, Rod.

And if that's the only flaw, okay.

 

[Rod1]

I'm glad you read it, Rod.

And if that's the only flaw, okay.

I did read it, but i guess from the POV of people who don't consider people who are sons of immigrants as real US citizens they are indeed a fiscal negative.

Your own source however says that they are indeed an economic net benefit for the economy in general, even when counting US citizen relatives costs.

 

[Stoic1]

I did read it, but i guess from the POV of people who don't consider people who are sons of immigrants as real US citizens they are indeed a fiscal negative.

Your own source however says that they are indeed an economic net benefit for the economy in general, even when counting US citizen relatives costs.

That is not what I read.

 

[Rod1]

That is not what I read.

Well you should because that's in the article.

 

[Stoic1]

I read it ear

Well you should because that's in the article

I read it earlier. Do you have a page #?

 

[Rod1]

That is not what I read.

There is no question that illegal immigration makes the U.S.economy hundreds of billions of dollars larger than it would otherwise be. More workers in thecountry means more economic activity. Based on the labor incomes of illegal immigrants andmaking a reasonable assumption about labor’s share of GDP, I estimate that illegal immigrantsmade the U.S. economy $321 billion dollars larger in 2019.46

 

[Stoic1]

There is no question that illegal immigration makes the U.S.economy hundreds of billions of dollars larger than it would otherwise be. More workers in thecountry means more economic activity. Based on the labor incomes of illegal immigrants andmaking a reasonable assumption about labor’s share of GDP, I estimate that illegal immigrantsmade the U.S. economy $321 billion dollars larger in 2019.46

Yeah.

I read that. But it later states that the net cost from the high cost of services to that demographic offsets the contributions at an actual cost to taxpayer to about $68k per. Did you read that part at the end?

 

[Rod1]

Yeah.

I read that. But it later states that the net cost from the high cost of services to that demographic offsets the contributions at an actual cost to taxpayer to about $68k per. Did you read that part at the end?

Yes, but the other part shows that the higher expense is education for US born children.

 

[Stoic1]

Conclusion
Illegal immigrants are a significant net fiscal drain -- paying less in taxes than they use in public services.

The primary reason they create more in costs than they pay in taxes is their relative low
levels of education. Based on prior research, 69 percent of adult illegal immigrants have no
education beyond high school, compared to 35 percent of the U.S.-born. As a result, they tend to
earn modest wages and make modest tax contributions even when income and payroll taxes are
taken out of their pay. This fact, coupled with the relatively heavy demands they make on public
coffers -- especially for education, health care, and means-tested programs -- is the reason they
are a net fiscal drain.
We estimate that 59 percent of illegal immigrant households use one or more major welfare
programs, costing roughly $42 billion a year. At the local level, the largest single cost is for
public education. We estimate the cost of educating the children of illegal immigrants, most of
whom are U.S.-born, totals $69 billion per year. While illegal immigrants often receive other
services for their U.S.-born children, even when we estimate the net fiscal impact of just the
illegal immigrants themselves, excluding their U.S.-born children, we still find they create a
lifetime net fiscal drain of $68,000 on average (taxes paid minus benefits received).
Even though illegal immigrants are net fiscal drains, they do pay a significant amount in taxes.
We estimate illegal immigrants pay $25.9 billion a year to the federal government.
Unfortunately, their tax contributions do not cover their consumption of public services.
The net fiscal drain is not the result of illegal immigrants being unwilling to work. In fact, we
find that illegal immigrant households are significantly more likely to have at least one worker
than households headed by the U.S.-born, and there is little evidence that immigrants come
specifically to get welfare.
Legal immigrants and U.S.-born Americans who have relatively few years of school are also a
net fiscal drain on average because they too tend to earn modest wages, make modest tax
contributions, and use social services extensively. None of this should be seen as a moral failing
on the part of low-income people. Nonetheless, it is the reason why communities across the
country worry so much about losing their middle-class tax base, as it is primarily middle- and
upper-income people who keep public coffers full.
The fiscal situation today is very different from the situation more than 100 years ago during the
last great wave of immigrants, when federal, state and local government was a much smaller
share of GDP. Also, at that time industrial jobs for the less educated were plentiful and paid, by
the standards of the day, relatively high wages. But none this is the case today. We need an
immigration policy that reflects current realities, and we need to rigorously enforce it. Otherwise,
the fiscal costs will be significant, as many communities across the country are currently finding out.

 

[Mr Holmes]

Where is this fantasy place where illegal workers get free food and accomodation?

 

[Mr Holmes]

Conclusion
Illegal immigrants are a significant net fiscal drain -- paying less in taxes than they use in public services.

The primary reason they create more in costs than they pay in taxes is their relative low
levels of education. Based on prior research, 69 percent of adult illegal immigrants have no
education beyond high school, compared to 35 percent of the U.S.-born. As a result, they tend to
earn modest wages and make modest tax contributions even when income and payroll taxes are
taken out of their pay. This fact, coupled with the relatively heavy demands they make on public
coffers -- especially for education, health care, and means-tested programs -- is the reason they
are a net fiscal drain.
We estimate that 59 percent of illegal immigrant households use one or more major welfare
programs, costing roughly $42 billion a year. At the local level, the largest single cost is for
public education. We estimate the cost of educating the children of illegal immigrants, most of
whom are U.S.-born, totals $69 billion per year. While illegal immigrants often receive other
services for their U.S.-born children, even when we estimate the net fiscal impact of just the
illegal immigrants themselves, excluding their U.S.-born children, we still find they create a
lifetime net fiscal drain of $68,000 on average (taxes paid minus benefits received).
Even though illegal immigrants are net fiscal drains, they do pay a significant amount in taxes.
We estimate illegal immigrants pay $25.9 billion a year to the federal government.
Unfortunately, their tax contributions do not cover their consumption of public services.
The net fiscal drain is not the result of illegal immigrants being unwilling to work. In fact, we
find that illegal immigrant households are significantly more likely to have at least one worker
than households headed by the U.S.-born, and there is little evidence that immigrants come
specifically to get welfare.
Legal immigrants and U.S.-born Americans who have relatively few years of school are also a
net fiscal drain on average because they too tend to earn modest wages, make modest tax
contributions, and use social services extensively. None of this should be seen as a moral failing
on the part of low-income people. Nonetheless, it is the reason why communities across the
country worry so much about losing their middle-class tax base, as it is primarily middle- and
upper-income people who keep public coffers full.
The fiscal situation today is very different from the situation more than 100 years ago during the
last great wave of immigrants, when federal, state and local government was a much smaller
share of GDP. Also, at that time industrial jobs for the less educated were plentiful and paid, by
the standards of the day, relatively high wages. But none this is the case today. We need an
immigration policy that reflects current realities, and we need to rigorously enforce it. Otherwise,
the fiscal costs will be significant, as many communities across the country are currently finding out.

This is all true. Plus they work for cash and don't pay their fair share in taxes.