Shogun, Mousasi, Romero...

[GoshiShun17]

Valentina Shevchenko is more overrated here than the 3 guys in the title combined and cubed.

LOL are you comparing her to men??? If not then her resume speaks for itself compared to other women.

Gastelum short stocky extensions almost put him out several times. Moose runs a clinic on him or just takes him to ground and pounds him out which would be easiest path. Izz can be slick ( on feet)- I'll give him that.

I respect your opinion and the fact that you usually try and provide evidence to back your opinions but I disagree with you on this.

First of all, Gastelum is a much better inside boxer than Mousasi, with stronger and faster hands. He's also got better footwork and is much better at slipping punches. They are just different fighters.

Secondly, Israel himself has much better footwork than the often flat footed Mousasi. And if you aren't seeing his striking ability from his bouts in the UFC, go check out his kickboxing matches against the top guys. I've yet to see him get outclassed.

Also let's not act like Israel is easy to takedown

 

[mjfan23]

Not the three you mentioned for sure

 

[RaZer Cruz]

I don’t see people calling TJ Dillashaw as one of the greatest of all time.

Where have you been mate? people were ranking him as the greatest BW ever before his PED test.

 

[Only Here for Attachments]

LOL are you comparing her to men???

In terms of hype, sure because she gets more than either of these 3 guys. It is 2019 after all.

 

[Zebra Cheeks]

I disagree to an extent. Is it too early to safely say that Adesanya will be a fighter who'll be comparable to Anderson Silva in some years? A 100 percent.
Is it however true, that Israel Adesanya already has displayed very high levels of striking in the UFC, that are most likely the best in his divison and arguably amongst the very best of all active fighters inside the UFC?
Also true.
Now hear me out, that is not to say that Israel will win his next fight nor is it to say that he'll become an all-time great or legend, but both the skills, as well as his improvements during his time in the UFC have already shown that he's a very capable fighter with big potential.

I also think that Anderson Silva - who in my opinion undoubtetly is amongst the GOATs in this sport - is not the flawless fighter or striker many people think he is.
Adesanya isn't flawless either of course, but Adesanya already does some things better than Silva has during his best years.

Adesanya doing things better than Silva did can be attributed to the evolution of the sport. Relative to his competition Silva was dominant for years against some stiff competition. We’re not seeing that kind of domination from Adesanya. What I’m seeing from Adesanya is his first top 5 test pushed him to the absolute brink. You can call that a tip of the cap to KG, or, you can recognize that Adesanya did not look in control the entire fight. He was flying by the seat of his pants.

I’m not saying he won’t be a legend in his own right, I just think fans are doing him a disservice trying to make him out to be the second coming of Silva

 

[Kvothe_the_kingkiller]

Conor got the most....and yet he did crush a lot of cats, so it was deserved. So when a guy deserves a hype level of 8.5 and gets an 11, does that put him into the "most hyped" category? Hard to say.

Brock got the second most, but the hype died down after two severe beatdowns.

I can see why people say Shogun was overhyped. But here's a question: where do you rank him after Jon Jones? Is he tied for 2nd with Rampage, Wandy, Chuck and Hendo? Is he 7th? 3rd or 4th? I can understand any of those answers. So is a guy who's possibly 2nd best LHW ever but had a mediocre middle career with multiple surgeries really "overhyped"? Because isn't that really what his fans are saying; that he's right up there in the best ever category (excluding Jones of course)....and that his mediocre middle career was hampered by surgeries.

Mousasi is a great fighter in the classic sense, but his losses to Jacare & Machida will forever haunt him. And by 'classic sense' I mean guys that fight 50 or 60 times usually have a few bad losses. I swear, in today's day and age, some sherdoggers would mock Sugar Ray Robinson for his loss to La Motta....

And about Romero....that's a strawman. People think he's very good (because he is), and many think he should have got the nod in Whittaker 2. But the mock backlash cliche is "Romero never lost....according to his fans". It's a silly cliche. TS can do better than to use a mocking strawman cliche as foundation for a counter argument.

 

[Alanf7]

Romero is a 41 year old retards. It’s amazing that he’s doing this at this age. Imagine if he was 28.

 

[GoshiShun17]

Shogun, Mousasi and Romero are actually underrated. TS is just a hater and a moron.

How am I a hater? I enjoy all of those fighters and recognize their skills. I just personally don't believe they are capable of what many here do. But I'm not discrediting any of them.

 

[Franklin U.]

KG has dropped every MW he's fought. Time to give his striking some respect.

Dont get me wrong, Gas has serious power ( In fact a little more power than moose but technician and size/reach well beneath). The one time KG fought elite mw, he dropped his opponent once but was well down on scorecards before getting subbed. Bisping doesn't count cause hes not elite and Kelvin was an actual -280 favorite over him in his final fight just to validate. Then came Izzy who I still dont know what to make of.I do believe he s evolved with each fight( I'd consider him elite at this point)and his fight through 4 rounds were awesome then the 5th came and Izz showed me something.
I respect KG a ton - just wish he could cut the weight off his " particular dense" frame and not effect his fight advantages ( power being one) at 170 come fight night.

 

[Where you at Georges?]

Healthy active pre hendo s Shogun beats God.

 

[DanAndroid]

The answer is BJ Penn.

 

[electricfuneral]

stupid thread.

Shogun is a world champ with a storied career.

 

[revoltub]

Fedor

 

[Franklin U.]

LOL are you comparing her to men??? If not then her resume speaks for itself compared to other women.

I respect your opinion and the fact that you usually try and provide evidence to back your opinions but I disagree with you on this.

First of all, Gastelum is a much better inside boxer than Mousasi, with stronger and faster hands. He's also got better footwork and is much better at slipping punches. They are just different fighters.

Secondly, Israel himself has much better footwork than the often flat footed Mousasi. And if you aren't seeing his striking ability from his boots in the UFC, go check out his kickboxing matches against the top guys. I've yet to see him get outclassed.

Also let's not act like Israel is easy to takedown

Let's put izzy aside ( still alot to be determined). I can post this cause their fights were on top of each other. Gegard Mousasi was the first and only fighter to completely move forward and outclass Chris Weidman on feet. Chris was lost in second round .This was his bread and butter even though his wrestling/grappling background- keeping fighters at the end of his punches ----not only won him title but a few defenses before Rockhold fight. Then Chris got to fight Kelvin- lol-. No disrespect to Gastelum( who has gotten better since) but outside that one punch that dropped Chris, he was handled everywhere.
Again, the fights were on top of each other and if Gastelum ever had a great chance to defeat an elite middle.... it was then.

I'm not going to insult you - not my style but think before you post.
By the by, Kelvin has become a pretty good boxer ( and was) but inside,outside,*jabs, *IQ, hooks ,uppers and crosses, hes beneath Mousasi. I'll give him power edge but it's of an innocuous nature .

 

[GoshiShun17]

Let's put izzy aside ( still alot to be determined). I can post this cause their fights were on top of each other. Gegard Mousasi was the first and only fighter to completely move forward and outclass Chris Weidman on feet. Chris was lost in second round .This was his bread and butter even though his wrestling/grappling background- keeping fighters at the end of his punches ----not only won him title but a few defenses before Rockhold fight. Then Chris got to fight Kelvin- lol-. No disrespect to Gastelum( who has gotten better since) but outside that one punch that dropped Chris, he was handled everywhere.
Again, the fights were on top of each other and if Gastelum ever had a great chance to defeat an elite middle.... it was then.

I'm not going to insult you - not my style but think before you post.
By the by, Kelvin has become a pretty good boxer ( and was) but inside,outside,*jabs, *IQ, hooks ,uppers and crosses, hes beneath Mousasi. I'll give him power edge but it's of an innocuous nature .

I know your style. Like I said, I always respect your opinions because you always try to bring evidence rather than simple insults. I still think your boy is/was overrated by many on these forums. Not at all by the general public or "casual fan" just here. At least by my observation.

 

[GoshiShun17]

This is the weirdest reply ever. He didn't even directly compare them via their resume. Hey guess what buddy? my great grand dad is dead and so is Muhammad Ali, doesn't mean I think my great grand dad is top 3 boxers of all time.

He compared Mousasi's losses to Anderson's and Fedor's which in itself is ridiculous IMO because when they were at the top of their games, they went on 2 of the most incredible runs we'll ever see. Mousasi is losing while at the top of his game.

 

[Kvothe_the_kingkiller]

Well @GoshiShun17 , it sure is easy to pick out "all those others" who think (or more likely, once thought) something that turned out to be wrong and laugh at them, Monday Morning Quarterback style.

Question for you: in hindsight, who have you overrated? Extra credit: who do you likely overrate today?

My answer: I've overrated Vinny Magalhaes, John Dodson, and Mousasi. Recently like most I either overrated Cormier or underrated Stipe. And for extra credit, today I likely overrate RDA.

 

[Franklin U.]

I know your style. Like I said, I always respect your opinions because you always try to bring evidence rather than simple insults. I still think your boy is/was overrated by many on these forums. Not at all by the general public or "casual fan" just here. At least by my observation.

I respect yours... and ,lol, if you were to call him that word based on " Franklin u' admitted bias ( but stand by most of what I post)" then I could, ironically, call it reasonable. I know people think I swing on his ------.

 

[Kvothe_the_kingkiller]

I respect yours... and ,lol, if you were to call him that word based on " Franklin u' admitted bias ( but stand by most of what I post)" then I could, ironically, call it reasonable. I know people think I swing on his ------.

Who's that, Mousasi? (It's hard following this particular convo).

The problem isn't that he isn't great. He is. The problem is that people overhyped him in 08, 09, 10, 11, and then held onto that after his losses to Machida & Jacare.

Now, he had just come off several years of surgeries and relatively low activity. Fighting Machida was daft. First fight in the UFC coming off surgeries and low activity, against a guy who timing is everything. Mousasi's timing and his was bound to be off, and it was, and he got embarrassed.

I have a harder applying context (what others might call "justifying") his loss against Jacare. He just simply lost to a better fighter.

That gave us real insight into Mousasi's skillset. He's great. But he wasn't far and away better than the best MW's of his era. He is/was only merely right there with them. Luke, Chris, Yoel, Jacare, Machida, Whittaker....and yes, Gegard. He may or may not be at the bottom end of that class.

But damn. Those two losses.

 

[King in the North]

Not sure I would consider any of the fighters listed in the OP as overrated.


Shevchenko is my answer.