Shogun, Mousasi, Romero...

[LetThemBleed]

I'm one of the biggest Mousasi Nut huggers on this site, i'm usually in every thread about him - I've never once seen someone argue that he's "The most dangerous opponent for Jon Jones" or the MW GOAT. One of the best MW's in the world? Sure, i'l put him in the top 5 all day every day. The Greatest Middle Weight of All time? Nah.

That's all I ask mate, a sliver of rationality. Anyone who doesn't think Moose is a great fighter is wrong, he's proven that over a long career especially for someone so comparatively young. He's also an exciting fighter to watch but ffs can we stop acting like he's the MW GOAT or that he's the biggest threat to Jones. Not too much to ask I imo.

 

[GordonMMARamsey]

Disagree- again timing and circumstances. This machida fight the way it was talked about is hysterical. I had moose losing 48-47 in a chess match where he outsruck him 66-35 but lost fight on significant strikes.....its why I use mute button. Jacare 2 was the best thing that happened to him. He changed EVERYTHING around after that ( like most elites do when they suffer early setbacks in UFC). Instead of having brother take care of everything, he actually put together a team headed by Kops and FINALLY TRAINED like an elite.....not to mention the " hulking jacare " he fought wasn't quite the same fighter Whitaker got to fight. See pre jacare-boetsch-lol....even Michael f%$king Bisping was all over his " size difference " on his pod after some " warning ".that occured. They're 1-1 and jacare is not a better fighter than mousasi and Gegard would be a decent favorite over him today just like he will against machida ( which isnt saying much at this point).
I'll take todays mousasi over prime and clean jacare ..... everytime. If I'm wrong then I'll turn out to be wrong.
If I have no legs to stand on then what I can I possibly say. I actually do try to be fair.
People lack a certain basic common sense when it comes to this game and certain fighters evolving and some dont.

People reference fights 4-5 years ago which in most cases .....mean nothing-

That was then ... this is now.
If things happened in reverse ( he came toUFC, ,started on fire and got title shot but lost and then started to exchange wins and losses - and was released after a 2 fight skid cause he was demanding a better contract then you wouldn't hear jack shit from me.
Fortunately- that's not the case. He was 12-3 under zuffa umbrella and only fighter in UFC history to leave promotion on 5 fight stoppage streak ( well 4 and the complete 15 minute prison rape of poor Thales Leites........ the same BJJ practitioner who walked down bisping fir 25 minutes in a split decision only a few months earlier. In fact- the main event that night was originally mousasi bisping but the aging Anderson came in and the brit was quickly relieved of opponent change. Think if that didnt happen- agsin, timing and circumstances. Mousasi mollywhops bisping as a 3- 1 favorite and in turn , bisping doesn't get late change title call. OH, THE DOMINO EFFECT of the 185 division. Who knows what happens after that. Maybe Gegard still here. ..maybe he wins title ....maybe not .

* timing and circumstances

Sorry for the essay.

Nobody will read this. They'll skip it and say "But he lost to King Mo a decade ago" and "He couldn't even beat Jardine"


Either people have figured it out by now or they never will.

 

[GordonMMARamsey]

That's all I ask mate, a sliver of rationality. Anyone who doesn't think Moose is a great fighter is wrong, he's proven that over a long career especially for someone so comparatively young. He's also an exciting fighter to watch but ffs can we stop acting like he's the MW GOAT or that he's the biggest threat to Jones. Not too much to ask I imo.

Who has ever claimed he's the biggest risk to Jones? I've never seen a single serious post saying this. Stop acting like every Mousasi fan is out here making that claim. You have made several posts in here talking about Mousasi fans being annoying and making these claims - fact is you might have read one post saying that and now you're being a tool claiming it's every single one of them.

 

[KillerIsBack V2]

conor

 

[LetThemBleed]

Who has ever claimed he's the biggest risk to Jones? I've never seen a single serious post saying this. Stop acting like every Mousasi fan is out here making that claim. You have made several posts in here talking about Mousasi fans being annoying and making these claims - fact is you might have read one post saying that and now you're being a tool claiming it's every single one of them.

I never remotely said every single fan was making such stupid claims. I am saying there was a thread that suggested Moose was the MW Goat where multiple posters agreed with those sentiments. Hell look back a few pages here there is a guy suggesting Moose has a better MW resume than Anderson Silva and is therefore the MW Goat. Moose's irrational fanboys irk me.

 

[GordonMMARamsey]

I never remotely said every single fan was making such stupid claims. I am saying there was a thread that suggested Moose was the MW Goat where multiple posters agreed with those sentiments. Hell look back a few pages here there is a guy suggesting Moose has a better MW resume than Anderson Silva and is therefore the MW Goat. Moose's irrational fanboys irk me.

So where are the posts claiming he's the biggest thread to Jon Jones?

 

[GordonMMARamsey]

I never remotely said every single fan was making such stupid claims. I

You sure about that?

Don't argue with a Moose fan mate. Apparently he's the uncrowned MW GOAT. These guys are impossible to argue with. Kinda sad in a sense because I actually like Moose and he always puts on good fights, win or lose, but god his fanboys irk me.

 

[GoshiShun17]

No, stupid. He didn't. He said just like every other great, he has some losses. He didn't compare the opponents, or how they lost. Just that they both lost. And he's right.


Stipe - lost fights
DC - lost fights
GSP - lost fights
Anderson - lost fights

Basically every great in the history of the sport aside from two have lost fights.

Hey!!! Angry Mousasi fan!!! Don't call me stupid!!! No shit everyone loses fights. That's a pointless statement.

Like if you were to tell me that you don't think Melvin Guillard was a great fighter and point out some of his losses and I respond with "Anderson and Fedor have their losses too" it would be a silly response.

Now obviously Gegard is much greater than Melvin. In fact I don't believe I discredited the greatness of any of the guys in my OP. But he hasn't dominated for years the way Anderson and Fedor did.

As fars as skills go, Mousasi is a guy capable of beating just about any middleweight I could think of right now but he has had a few bumps in the past and I find it silly when some members, maybe not yourself, act like he's an absolute lock to beat/destroy everyone not named Jon Jones or Romero. In fact I've already stated I think he'd beat Romero but I feel other guys definitely give him trouble.

That's why I'm surprised that there are 1 or 2 people in this thread saying that Fedor was overrated. He fought and defeated damn near all the top guys of his era for years. If you don't think he is GOAT that's fine but he isn't overrated IMO.

 

[GordonMMARamsey]

Hey!!! Angry Mousasi fan!!! Don't call me stupid!!! No shit everyone loses fights. That's a pointless statement.

Like if you were to tell me that you don't think Melvin Guillard was a great fighter and point out some of his losses and I respond with "Anderson and Fedor have their losses too" it would be a silly response.

Now obviously Gegard is much greater than Melvin. In fact I don't believe I discredited the greatness of any of the guys in my OP. But he hasn't dominated for years the way Anderson and Fedor did.

As fars as skills go, Mousasi is a guy capable of beating just about any middleweight I could think of right now but he has had a few bumps in the past and I find it silly when some members, maybe not yourself, act like he's an absolute lock to beat/destroy everyone not named Jon Jones or Romero. In fact I've already stated I think he'd beat Romero but I feel other guys definitely give him trouble.

That's why I'm surprised that there are 1 or 2 people in this thread saying that Fedor was overrated. He fought and defeated damn near all the top guys of his era for years. If you don't think he is GOAT that's fine but he isn't overrated IMO.

No, it's not a pointless statement and you are stupid. He didn't compare their losses. He compared the fact that they have losses and you tried to change his argument to fit your narrative.

He could have compared their resumes like you're implying he did, and then you would have had an argument. I mean you say he never dominated the way Anderson did. During Andersons run he was 33-4 before he lost to Weidman. Through Mousasi's first 37 he was 32-3-2. Since that time Mousasi is 13-4. However Anderson is 1-6-1. If someone attempted to make those comparisons you're right it would be silly to because Silva fought some tougher guys during that time. But they didn't.

 

[daniel san]

Not sure what to call Shogun - he was probably the best LHW for a very short period of time but he's been out of his prime ever since. Not sure if injuries can be blamed for everything, to me he is a bit like BJ Penn, a bit too arrogant to take fighting seriously. Shogun has often showed up with no gas tank and love handles but does anyone seriously think that's due to his knee injuries? I'm a huge Shogun fan but I will have to admit that injuries may have played a part in his short reign but was not the main reason behind his decline.

Mousasi is of course also very overrated. One of the best MWs ever but he has never been close to being the best even if many fans seem to think so.

 

[GoshiShun17]

No, it's not a pointless statement and you are stupid. He didn't compare their losses. He compared the fact that they have losses and you tried to change his argument to fit your narrative.

He could have compared their resumes like you're implying he did, and then you would have had an argument. I mean you say he never dominated the way Anderson did. During Andersons run he was 33-4 before he lost to Weidman. Through Mousasi's first 37 he was 32-3-2. Since that time Mousasi is 13-4. However Anderson is 1-6-1. If someone attempted to make those comparisons you're right it would be silly to because Silva fought some tougher guys during that time. But they didn't.

First of all your mother is stupid and you're an angry, cock kissing buffoon. Second, it was a silly response. No shit they have losses captain obvious.

 

[GordonMMARamsey]

First of all your mother is stupid and you're an angry, cock kissing buffoon. Second, it was a silly response. No shit they have losses captain obvious.

So why didn't you respond with that? Instead you attempted to argue that he compared who they lost to. Maybe you failed to comprehend the post, maybe you knew the point he was making and thought nobody would notice if you tried to twist his words.



Is "cock kissing buffoon" supposed to be an insult?

 

[GoshiShun17]

Is "cock kissing buffoon" supposed to be an insult?

Yes, you lint licker, unless you enjoy kissing cocks, in which case I'm not judging and I apologize.

 

[LetThemBleed]

You sure about that?

I said his fanboys I think there’s an important distinction between fan and fanboy, the latter oft has an irrational opinion for instance that Moose is the MW goat. And for the record yes these fanboys who believe that are indeed delusional and are impossible to deal with.

 

[LetThemBleed]

So where are the posts claiming he's the biggest thread to Jon Jones?

Search any thread about the biggest threat to Jones. Guaranteed you’ll find at a minimum one such claim.