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@chickenluver was so interesting to hear little snippets about the next film. Overheard him talking about a raid scene, discussing seamus heaney's Beowulf, conversations he was having with historians of that period of Icelandic history etc.
 
And what would the point of that have been? Why would you find this more satisfying? To me, this is a completely reductive ending.
You can't explain why with any degree of detail so i don't really take the opinion seriously
 
As usual you answer zero questions in return, ok, I'm done...
you put the burden of proof on others because you can't justify one way or the other

the difference between the source material and what they did wasn't detailed enough for you? I call BS
 
I already covered my problem with your ending, ie. a complete lack of interest.
except it isn't "my" ending, it's the implication of several parts in the film (the visions replacing Dafoe with the white haired Pattinson ring a bell?)

The only reason you reject it is because you're visibly butthurt by anything you associate with me. I outlined two directions the film could have resolved: the source material Poe-styled telltale heart ending or the
Pattinson = Dafoe
ending which was referenced repeatedly by your favorite director himself
 
meanwhile you STILL fail to justify the ending they chose, you can't touch anything related to the Lighthouse bulb with a ten foot pole as if you're afraid analyzing it might ruin your blind appreciation for the filmmaker

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The Blood on Satan’s Claw (1971)
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Despite the dreadful, cheesy title, this film is up there with some of the best examples of 'folk horror' (indeed, it is typically considered one of it's progenitors). As such, it is a film which effectively plays upon the psychological disconnect between the superstitious past and supposedly rational present. There is a real element of horror in the film too of course. It is literally about a ploughman uncovering the earthly remains of Satan and thereby unleashing the forces of evil upon this godly 17th century village. However, I think the film is interesting more because of it's broader themes than as a frightening film. Indeed, like a lot of 70s horror, by current standards it is not particularly 'scary' at all. Although don't get me wrong, there are some scenes which are deeply uncomfortable and unsettling, though not 'scary' in any sense.

In any case, I think there is something a bit cheap and a bit boring in the modern expectation that the only purpose of "horror" is to make you jump, or your heart pound. Horror, to me at least, works best when the frightening, supernatural elements have effective interplay with the other dramatic, or thematic components. In fact it's these other elements which are often most important. In this film there are also important themes of reason and rationality vs superstition and ignorance (witch hunting for instance), of class divisions, sexuality, and so on. Some of it is subtle, yet still present. All of this is bound up within this folkloric horror tale and within the purely dramatic elements. In it's depiction of Village hysteria and it's association with 70s folk horror it obviously draws some connection with Witchfinder General (1968), among others.

Blood on Satan's Claw is not a perfect film, but it is effective at creating a general mood or atmosphere, grounded by it's setting in the 17th century. It also evokes a particular sense of place, very much rooted in the English countryside. Of course, it is also rooted in English/British folklore and a sense of the past. This countryside setting is not idyllic, but a source of malevolence. The evil which is unearthed comes from the land and the soil itself. Like all great folk horror, it is a film which successfully explores the inherent anxieties and disconnects between the pre-modern and (post)modern worlds.

@europe1 you never post in here these days you swine, seen this one?
 
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The Blood on Satan’s Claw (1971)
3UnvmI2efghXaIRDpQxEyX8gK3N.jpg


Despite the dreadful, cheesy title, this film is up there with some of the best examples of 'folk horror' (indeed, it is typically considered one of it's progenitors). As such, it is a film which effectively plays upon the psychological disconnect between the superstitious past and supposedly rational present. There is a real element of horror in the film too of course. It is literally about a ploughman uncovering the earthly remains of Satan and thereby unleashing the forces of evil upon this godly 17th century village. However, I think the film is interesting more because of it's broader themes than as a frightening film. Indeed, like a lot of 70s horror, by current standards it is not particularly 'scary' at all. Although don't get me wrong, there are some scenes which are deeply uncomfortable and unsettling, though not 'scary' in any sense.

In any case, I think there is something a bit cheap and a bit boring in the modern expectation that the only purpose of "horror" is to make you jump, or your heart pound. Horror, to me at least, works best when the frightening, supernatural elements have effective interplay with the other dramatic, or thematic components. In fact it's these other elements which are often most important. In this film there are also important themes of reason and rationality vs superstition and ignorance (witch hunting for instance), of class divisions, sexuality, and so on. Some of it is subtle, yet still present. All of this is bound up within this folkloric horror tale and within the purely dramatic elements. In it's depiction of Village hysteria and it's association with 70s folk horror it obviously draws some connection with Witchfinder General (1968), among others.

Blood on Satan's Claw is not a perfect film, but it is effective at creating a general mood or atmosphere, grounded by it's setting in the 17th century. It also evokes a particular sense of place, very much rooted in the English countryside. Of course, it is also rooted in English/British folklore and a sense of the past. This countryside setting is not idyllic, but a source of malevolence. The evil which is unearthed comes from the land and the soil itself. Like all great folk horror, it is a film which successfully explores the inherent anxieties and disconnects between the pre-modern and (post)modern worlds.
look at you hiding
 
look at you hiding

Or, look at me reviewing films I watch as I have been doing for the past several pages and for the last several years.

Already told you, I'm done...perhaps your style is good for the off topic forum, you can keep posting there.
 
Or, look at me reviewing films I watch as I have been doing for the past several pages and for the last several years.

Already told you, I'm done...perhaps your style is good for the off topic forum, you can keep posting there.
you never delivered your unpacking of the ending and now you want to lead discussion elsewhere
 
The Blood on Satan’s Claw (1971)
3UnvmI2efghXaIRDpQxEyX8gK3N.jpg


Despite the dreadful, cheesy title, this film is up there with some of the best examples of 'folk horror' (indeed, it is typically considered one of it's progenitors). As such, it is a film which effectively plays upon the psychological disconnect between the superstitious past and supposedly rational present. There is a real element of horror in the film too of course. It is literally about a ploughman uncovering the earthly remains of Satan and thereby unleashing the forces of evil upon this godly 17th century village. However, I think the film is interesting more because of it's broader themes than as a frightening film. Indeed, like a lot of 70s horror, by current standards it is not particularly 'scary' at all. Although don't get me wrong, there are some scenes which are deeply uncomfortable and unsettling, though not 'scary' in any sense.

In any case, I think there is something a bit cheap and a bit boring in the modern expectation that the only purpose of "horror" is to make you jump, or your heart pound. Horror, to me at least, works best when the frightening, supernatural elements have effective interplay with the other dramatic, or thematic components. In fact it's these other elements which are often most important. In this film there are also important themes of reason and rationality vs superstition and ignorance (witch hunting for instance), of class divisions, sexuality, and so on. Some of it is subtle, yet still present. All of this is bound up within this folkloric horror tale and within the purely dramatic elements. In it's depiction of Village hysteria and it's association with 70s folk horror it obviously draws some connection with Witchfinder General (1968), among others.

Blood on Satan's Claw is not a perfect film, but it is effective at creating a general mood or atmosphere, grounded by it's setting in the 17th century. It also evokes a particular sense of place, very much rooted in the English countryside. Of course, it is also rooted in English/British folklore and a sense of the past. This countryside setting is not idyllic, but a source of malevolence. The evil which is unearthed comes from the land and the soil itself. Like all great folk horror, it is a film which successfully explores the inherent anxieties and disconnects between the pre-modern and (post)modern worlds.

Think I remember Eggers said this was a big influence on him.
 
Think I remember Eggers said this was a big influence on him.

Have never heard him mention this one specifically but wouldn't be surprised, folk horror in general is obviously a big influence on his work. Aster too it must be said!
 
Been in a folk horror mood of late; Satans Claw along with Witchfinder General and The Wicker Man seem to be the big three from the 70s, but there's a host of other made for TV ones. Might rewatch The Wicker Man tomorrow though, my gf has never seen it.
 
Yes actually listened the other day! Do they mention that one specifically? Must've missed it. Really interesting discussion between the two in any case, particularly in terms of the nature of "genre" and categorising their films I thought.

It might have been on The Witch directors commentary track or another interview.
 
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