Serena Williams cries "discrimination" over drug testing

[Deleted member 504083]

It's possible the fast twitch thing has been debunked. I was just saying what I learned. I'm no biologist/nutritionist, and I don't keep up with that stuff.

I'm not disagreeing that Serena gets tested a lot because she's at the top. She also gets tested a lot because of her physique. She has the sort of body that we all associate with steroid use.

 

[drstrangelov]

I think she's being discriminated against for being so much better than everyone else. I don't think there's any doubt that "random" screenings aren't actually required to be random in the sense that you'd expect. They aren't based on any random drawing or algorithm, they're just unscheduled.

 

[Madmick]

@panamaican

It appears I was correct about Serena's assumption, and by extension her intention (to beg the question). Here is the Deadspin article covering the incident that apparently spawned this whole thing; the second time Serena outright refused to take a doping test. It turns out Laura Wagner of Deadspin was the one who opened the rift:
Deadspin > An Anti-Doping Agent Occupied Serena Williams’s Property And Everyone Is Being Squirrelly About It
"Occupied". LOL, the lady is already pushing triggers.

According to a USADA database, Williams has been tested five times so far in 2018. This total—which doesn’t include the June 14 test mission, which did not come to fruition—is more than twice that of other top American women’s tennis players. According to the USADA database, Sloane Stephens was tested once; Venus Williams was tested twice; Madison Keys was tested once; Coco Vandeweghe was tested twice; Danielle Collins was tested zero times; Alison Riske was tested zero times; Bernarda Pera was tested zero times; and Taylor Townsend was tested zero times. Williams was also tested more than any of the top five American male players.

After I presented this data to Williams’s camp and the USADA, the tenor of their responses changed. A spokeswoman for Williams called the testing “invasive and targeted”:

"Over her 23-year career in tennis, Serena Williams has never tested positive for any illegal substance despite being tested significantly more than other professional tennis players, both male and female – in fact, four times more frequently than her peers. She has vocally supported, respected and complied with USADA testing throughout her entire career. While she willingly continues to submit to testing, there is absolutely no reason for this kind of invasive and targeted treatment."

“I never knew that I was tested so much more than everyone else,” the seven-time Wimbledon champion said. “Until I read that article I didn’t realize it was such a discrepancy with me as well as against the other players that they listed, at least the American players — both male and female"...

“Tennis has given me so much. It’s such an amazing sport. I feel like equality, that’s all I’ve been preaching, it’s all about equality,” Williams continued. “If that’s testing everyone five times, let’s do it. Let’s be a part of it. It’s just about being equal and not centering one person out. Just due to the numbers, it looks like I’m being pushed out. Just test everyone equally.”

That's a lot of references to "equality". This was after the USADA already offered their explanation for testing parameters and selection:

The USADA, meanwhile, sent a statement asserting that it “may target test athletes as USADA deems appropriate”:

Factors considered in allocating tests include available resources, performance information, ranking data, sport and athlete specific analysis, biological and longitudinal analysis, injury information, training periods, the competition calendar, intelligence received concerning possible doping practices and research on doping trends. USADA retains the right to test any athlete at any time and may target test athletes as USADA deems appropriate. Consistent with safeguarding reasonable privacy concerns and serving as an investigative agency, USADA is committed to transparency and therefore regularly posts completed testing numbers on the USADA website. However, given that testing missions result from a wide variety of factors, USADA does not believe that useful conclusions can generally be drawn from comparing the testing frequency for athletes over particular time frames

and

The U.S. Anti-Doping Agency “may target test athletes as USADA deems appropriate,” spokesman Brad Horn told Deadspin. “We test only in accordance with international standards and would never conduct testing in an unfair way. We are always available to discuss this with athletes, if they have concerns.”

According to the USADA website, athletes may be required to provide what’s called “whereabouts information.” This means that every day of the year, athletes give the USADA a 60-minute availability window during which an officer can show up and administer drug tests. If the athlete is not available during that window, or if they fail to file their whereabouts information, it is a whereabouts failure. According to USADA, if an athlete accrues three whereabouts-related failures in a 12-month span, it counts as a doping rule violation. However, the USADA also has the “ability to test athletes without any advance notice in an out-of-competition setting.” If an athlete is not available during these tests, Horn said, there is no whereabouts failure.

A frustrated Serena expressed displeasure with receiving one strike for that type of violation, elsewhere, but that isn't the kind of out-of-competition test she refused to take at her own compound prior to the Deadspin article:

The Williams drug test mission on June 14 was the type that is not required to fall within the availability window, which, Horn said, is why there was no whereabouts failure and why the USADA says Williams is in good standing. But the question of why Williams has been so aggressively tested remains.

Yet not the question of why she isn't being cited for outright refusing a test? indeed, in spite of all of this the Deadspin author arrived at this conclusion:

The USADA will offer no explanation for it other than asserting—accurately—that they are allowed to send agents to test her wherever and whenever they want, for whatever reason they want. The WTA, the governing body of women’s tennis, says it merely plays some sort of soothing middleman role. Everyone involved seems at pains to emphasize that none of this is news, but simply the ordinary workings of the sport. Perhaps that’s so. If it is, tennis has a serious problem.

You think the "serious problem" the author is suggesting is one of "discrimination" against more muscularly impressive athletes?

Smells to me like a journalist hunting for an award, and Serena took the bait, or possibly she saw an opportunity to spin the negative press. Either way this is about race. Here is direct-- albeit implicit-- allusion from her that she is "thinking" this is racially motivated:


That's a reference to the biography of Henrietta Lacks; the very same woman discussed at the top of the Tweet chain in response to her tweet that alleged the possibility of "discrimination", and prompted my OP. For those who don't know, or didn't read the earlier Wiki I linked, Henrietta Lacks was a black woman whose DNA was furtively taken from her for medical research without compensation. Her DNA-- the cells they took-- became the HeLa line of "immortal cells", ever reproducing, and among the most important in medical history, hence the title of the bestselling, award-winning novel about her.

Privacy and patient consent is the critical issue to the world at large with Lacks's story, which is the "invasiveness" that Serena appears to be protesting, but the speculation into potential discrimination by virtue of the lack of consent, or her extraordinary "ageless" cells, is not the heart of the ongoing controversy surrounding her case, and the potential "discrimination" Lacks endured. That would be race:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henrietta_Lacks#In_popular_culture

The question of how and whether her race affected her treatment, the lack of obtaining consent, and her relative obscurity, continues to be controversial.

What's the argument for the physique reading, again?

 

[BudKing8806]

The real question is why does anyone give a fuck about this?

 

[ObamaPhoneLady]

Have they even proven she's female yet?

 

[panamaican]

@panamaican

It appears I was correct about Serena's assumption, and by extension her intention (to beg the question). Here is the Deadspin article covering the incident that apparently spawned this whole thing; the second time Serena outright refused to take a doping test. It turns out Laura Wagner of Deadspin was the one who opened the rift:
Deadspin > An Anti-Doping Agent Occupied Serena Williams’s Property And Everyone Is Being Squirrelly About It
"Occupied". LOL, the lady is already pushing triggers.


That's a lot of references to "equality". This was after the USADA already offered their explanation for testing parameters and selection:

and

A frustrated Serena expressed displeasure with receiving one strike for that type of violation, elsewhere, but that isn't the kind of out-of-competition test she refused to take at her own compound prior to the Deadspin article:

Yet not the question of why she isn't being cited for outright refusing a test? indeed, in spite of all of this the Deadspin author arrived at this conclusion:

You think the "serious problem" the author is suggesting is one of "discrimination" against more muscularly impressive athletes?

Smells to me like a journalist hunting for an award, and Serena took the bait, or possibly she saw an opportunity to spin the negative press. Either way this is about race. Here is direct-- albeit implicit-- allusion from her that she is "thinking" this is racially motivated:


That's a reference to the biography of Henrietta Lacks; the very same woman discussed at the top of the Tweet chain in response to her tweet that alleged the possibility of "discrimination", and prompted my OP. For those who don't know, or didn't read the earlier Wiki I linked, Henrietta Lacks was a black woman whose DNA was furtively taken from her for medical research without compensation. Her DNA-- the cells they took-- became the HeLa line of "immortal cells", ever reproducing, and among the most important in medical history, hence the title of the bestselling, award-winning novel about her.

Privacy and patient consent is the critical issue to the world at large with Lacks's story, which is the "invasiveness" that Serena appears to be protesting, but the speculation into potential discrimination by virtue of the lack of consent, or her extraordinary "ageless" cells, is not the heart of the ongoing controversy surrounding her case, and the potential "discrimination" Lacks endured. That would be race:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henrietta_Lacks#In_popular_culture

What's the argument for the physique reading, again?

You're really this bad at reading comprehension?

Her quote about equality, per your excessive quoting, was about her versus everyone else, not about race. The reference to Henrietta Lacks was in response to someone else tweeting the idea at her and her responding. So, if someone tweeted at her that she's an alien and she laughingly said yeah, you wouldstart claiming that Serena believes she's E.T. <45>

I get it you have bone and you're going to gnaw at it all night long but nothing in your post actually supports what you claimed. Nowhere in any of that does anyone state that Williams is alleging racial discrimination. So either you can't read or you don't care that it's not there.

Now I get that your current angle is about if she avoided a drug test but that's not the bullshit that I called you on. I called you on the following:

1) Reading racial discrimination into a tweet that wasn't there (And hasn't been supported by anything that you've posted except your own imagination).
2) Extending your personal grievance with Serena into some larger black community issue.
3) Moralizing to the black community about what to do from your position as a "white friend".

I don't give a shit about if she's tested more than other tennis players, I don't give a shit if she fails a test or avoids a test. I give a shit about you transforming a common athlete complaint about drug testing into a race issue for no discernible reason.

 

[panamaican]

@panamaican

You think the "serious problem" the author is suggesting is one of "discrimination" against more muscularly impressive athletes?

Smells to me like a journalist hunting for an award, and Serena took the bait, or possibly she saw an opportunity to spin the negative press. Either way this is about race. Here is direct-- albeit implicit-- allusion from her that she is "thinking" this is racially motivated:

This for example is a perfect example of reading something into a story that isn't there while ignoring the answer that it printed for you.

The Deadspin article in its entirety is about the problem with the USADA essentially camping out at an athlete's home and overtesting her. That there is reason to believe that that USADA is targeting the athlete. It makes no allusion to race. Yet you're going to take the single last line of a multiple paragraph article and suggest that even though there is no reference to race in any of the preceding paragraphs, that one line (which also doesn't mention race) changes the entire article into a race hunt.

That's so absurd, I'm actually embarrassed to read it from you. It suggests that you're so fixated on this being about race that you're no longer even attempting to read things neutrally.

 

[ObamaPhoneLady]

I don't know if you're genuinely confused, or you just upset you're not even trying to understand my arguments.

Well that's his MO so... Just be glad he can't dump your threads.

 

[salamander]

BTW, even though I think you have already realized and accepted my true intent with your like of post #128, I would like to ask how this argument works based on my OP.

What action have I called for against Serena except condemnation from her own race for appealing to the lowest common denominator? What more than to be shamed for that?

I haven't demanded any form of formal action against her livelihood, her advertisers, or anything else like that based on her rhetoric. So perhaps you can explain how I am similar to creeps like Cernovich? Or to the posters in here who supported the removal of Donald Sterling, for example, from ownership of his own team, the LA Clippers, for no other demonstrable reason than he asked his trophy black mistress not to bring black guys to his basketball team's games; in a private conversation she recorded without his awareness?

...and that call for condemation, in my view, is a stretch, and is based on the same sort of nebulous grievance-mongering that supposes it's legitmacy via an appeal to the morality of what was in this case the black community.

...the very same community who has had to look on in askance while the woman that you are asking us to condemn for crying wolf on a racism has been called everything from a gorilla to a tranny to a man for the past 20 years. Any black dude who's name isn't Ben Carson will keenly feel the "secular takferi" in your presentation which polarized the conversation before the OP was taken out of the oven.

Now in your country especially, there is an uncomfortable historical context to this, just as there very real issues of sexual depravity in the hollywood community- both issues have yet to be satisfactorily resolved. However picking James Gunn was probably the least effeicent way to highlight this, in the same way you picking Serena was. If i didn't know your posting history i would have thought you were fire-starting.

The difference between you and Cernovitch is that I have no reason to believe that malice is the motive because i've read your post over the years.

But not being a race-baiting scumbag doesn't change the fact in your zeal to prove the point of the OP you've unintentionally hardened the position of the people you've tried to reach from the very onset, so while the intent isn't the same of Cernovitch's, the effect is pretty much a Frankie Goes to Hollywood song.

This was initially surprising and somewhat disapointing to me given the recent tenor of the the posts and threads you've been making which seemed almost wistful for a type of rapparoachment between the Tribes.

There was snark in my intial responses to you, but I meant what I said that a more effecient example would have been Trevor Noah's comments following the World Cup. We have our Farrakhans, and Sharptons and plenty of others to castigate. You are using the wrong stick to prod us.

That being said, I've most likely made an uneven comparision.

 

[Madmick]

Well that's his MO so... Just be glad he can't dump your threads.

Pan is a phenomenal and fair-minded mod.

...and that call to for condemation, in my view, is a stretch, and is based on same sort of nebulous grievance-mongering that supposes it's legitmacy via an appeal to the morality of what was in this case the black community.

...the very same community who has had to look on in askance while the woman that you are asking us to condemn for crying wolf on a racism has been called everything from a gorilla to a tranny to a man for the past 20 years. Any black dude who's name isn't Ben Carson will keenly feel the "secular takferi" in your presentation which polarized the conversation before the OP was taken out of the oven.

Now in your country especially, there is an uncomfortable historical context to this, just as there very real issues of sexual depravity in the hollywood community- both issues have yet to be satisfactorily resolved. However picking James Gunn was probably the least effeicent way to highlight this, in the same way you picking Serena was. If i didn't know your posting history i would have thought you were fire-starting.

The difference between you and Cernovitch is that I have no reason to believe that malice is the motive.

But not being a race-baiting scumbag doesn't change the fact in your zeal to prove the point of the OP you've unintentionally hardened the position of the people you've tried to reach from the very onset, so while the intent isn't the same of Cernovitch's, the effect is pretty much a Frankie Goes to Hollywood song.

This was initially surprising and somewhat disapointing to me given the recent tenor of the the posts and threads you've. There was snark in my intial response to you but I meant what I said that a more effecient example would have been Trevor Noah's comments following the World Cup

That being said, I've most likely made an uneven comparision.

It's untenable to equate my plea for internal policing within the black community of its own volition to what Cernovitch and his breed do, or anyone else that participates in advocating the destruction of careers-- as opposed to destructive, pandering suspicions.

Furthermore, do not underestimate my cunning as a political operator. What "position" in my opponents have I "unintentionally hardened"? My opposition are dead set on arguing that she isn't race-baiting, and are now firmly committed to rejecting that narrative. The left, or minorities, here on Sherdog, are married to the facts of her specific transgressions, and a stigmatization of any suggestion of race. Go look at her Tweet, and the dialogue in the comment chain responding to it. Who is in control of the narrative, there?

Why, Henrietta Lacks.

I don't care if people like where I take them, like how I get them there, or like me at all. I care if we arrive.

 

[Madmick]

I give you-- Serena's own boyfriend, the rapper Common:
Common Defends Serena Williams' Claims Of Drug Testing "Discrimination"

"First of all, she's one of the best athletes ever."

Common clearly harbors much respect for his ex-girlfriend, Serena Williams. The tennis star is said to have spoken out against racial discrimination after being drug tested more than her peers. When Common was asked about the situation, he barely hesitated to defend the champ.

"As a black woman, do you think she's getting discriminated against? YES. If they're testing her more than anyone else, it's a reason for that. And there's conscious and subconscious and I would say conscious is the fact that she's a black woman and they're looking for some reason to be able to take her down and discredit her ... but she's the queen!"

Serena had been vocal about the situation on Tuesday night. She shared some candid tweets with her following.

"And it’s that time of the day to get 'randomly' drug tested and only test Serena. Out of all the players it’s been proven I’m the one getting tested the most."

Ironically, this comes after a historical loss for Williams. The new mother had been up for a significant win at Wimbledon a couple of weeks ago. Had she not lost the game to her German opponent, she could have tied Margaret Court's record of 24 Grand Slam wins.

I bet he and Serena don't talk. They're probably not on the same page, here.

I doubt he's a Sherdogger. Probably didn't read this thread. Wouldn't get away with it, here. So I'm either crazy like a fox, or foxy like a...fuck, that didn't work.

 

[Madmick]

@panamaican.

What's the spin this time?

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

How many cases, historically, of athletes decrying "discrimination" based on success can you cite or recall? How many movements have grown up with the stars of a sport linking arms and initiating social, politically-minded movements to end the "discrimination" against...winners?

@panamaican just grossly misread my allusion to the history of real discrimination against black athletes in sports in a similar fashion. It wasn't about me analogizing Serena's claim to those cases, but her implying it with reference to that term. This is the most richly invested connotation with that term, and I am accusing of her abusing that: of pandering with that subtext.

Let's see where this story takes us. You think it's going to be received as her pushing for investigation into discrimination against those who earn the most money and championships?

Let's say she didn't mean discrimination in the racial sense. I guess then she still needs admonished for being so tone deaf. At least that's what happens when someone innocently uses a word on the long list that get people scolded when it comes to blacks. After all, denying the racial implication is dishonest and only a racist would do it. More or less.

 

[Ruprecht]

I give you-- Serena's own boyfriend, the rapper Common:
Common Defends Serena Williams' Claims Of Drug Testing "Discrimination"

I bet he and Serena don't talk. They're probably not on the same page, here.

I doubt he's a Sherdogger. Probably didn't read this thread. Wouldn't get away with it, here. So I'm either crazy like a fox, or foxy like a...fuck, that didn't work.

You know she married the Reddit guy right?

 

[Madmick]

You know she married the Reddit guy right?

No, I thought she was the one with Drake, but I saw the description in the text box.

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

I don't remember people liking McEnroe for calling judges cocksuckers, but I was young... People actually liked him when he was a dick?

That and him being a lefty. I had less regard for sportsmanship at that age though.

 

[vengeful]

I give you-- Serena's own boyfriend, the rapper Common:
Common Defends Serena Williams' Claims Of Drug Testing "Discrimination"

I bet he and Serena don't talk. They're probably not on the same page, here.

I doubt he's a Sherdogger. Probably didn't read this thread. Wouldn't get away with it, here. So I'm either crazy like a fox, or foxy like a...fuck, that didn't work.

That's her boyfriend? What does her white husband and father of her biracial baby think of that?

 

[salamander]

It's untenable to equate my plea for internal policing within the black community of its own volition to what Cernovitch and his breed do, or anyone else that participates in advocating the destruction of careers-- as opposed to destructive, pandering suspicions.

Conincidently enough the community which your moral directives are aimed at see what you are doing as destructive, pandering and are suspicious of your motives. You didn't do a good enough job of clarifying your postion before busting out the siege engines.

They would reasonably misinterpet your viewpoint as a declaration that she can't have an opinion on why she's been over-tested (in the face of sustained mockery about her form which would give anybody a complex after a while) because she's being too uppity.

If we go by the same rubric you have been using lately then I would ask you to make a firm statement of rebuke against all those who have refering to her in animalistic terms for the past two decades. It might make your claim a bit more palatable to the people you are trying to shop this outrage to.

Furthermore, do not underestimate my cunning as a political operator. What "position" in my opponents have I "unintentionally hardened"? My opposition are dead set on arguing that she isn't race-baiting, and are now firmly committed to rejecting that narrative. The left, or minorities, here on Sherdog, are married to the facts of her specific transgressions, and a stigmatization of any suggestion of race. Go look at her Tweet, and the dialogue in the comment chain responding to it. Who is in control of the narrative, there?

i'm not underestimating anything about you, but i am certain your energies are misplaced.

Which narrative are we speaking of? The one that she feels discriminated against her? Or your feeling that not only has she no basis to make that claim, but she's is purposely using it as a race-card?

Maybe we can get murkier with this: What about the possibility that even those in the black community who don't believe she's being unfairly treated can understand why she would think so?

Set aside your cognitive default in regards to this and ask yourself: Is it posssible, due to her expeience that her declaration, even if it was wrong, has a legitimate cataylst?

Here's an example: I think #BLM is probably as counterproductive a movement for the Culture as the racism it seeks to highlight and expunge. I believe Colin Kapernick's likkle crusade amounts to nothing more than posturing, is ultimately empty and distracts from the real issues that his has been putting stretch-marks on every obituary in America, and is symptomatic of the rockstar activism that started with the unfortunate rise of Kony2012.

I also think the reasons that caused highly flawed movements to arise in this world are perfectly valid.

Now me voicing these beliefs often puts me firmly on the side of some of the racist shitbags on this forum like Goonerville (or whatever his name is) and it's not a comfortable feeling, but for the most part i can deal with that feeling. But not everybody in the Culture can. Especially the akata...

...and in the face of the currrent racial climate, not everybody in this Culture is willing to even try. whats the incentive for us Shitholeians?

I have a very large contingent of Yoruba/Benin fam in Houston who are by every metric conservative in ways that would make Ezra Levent nod in sage appreciation, but they all vote Democrat.

Why do you think that's the case?

My assumption right now (it it could be wrong, but this is my read on this) is that your consternation stems from the fact that you feel that the black community as a whole needs to prioritze their self-policing mechanisms to quell her possible wrong, but inherantly valid, feelings of persecution.

Thats not going to happen.

Why, Henrietta Lacks.

I gave that a brief scan. Smacks of hotep-pery.

Citing that is the equivalent of me trotting out a Freeman of the Land dude to argue about your country's constitution. What am I supposed to say to this? I'm two years clean from twitter. You know as well as i do that platform is the charnel house of ideology.

I don't care if people like where I take them, like how I get them there, or like me at all. I care if we arrive.

That's fine. Laudable even.

But you're going the wrong way with this.

EDIT: I tried editing this and i don't know what the hell happened to it

 

[HunterAcosta]

Serena's clit is bigger than my dick guaranteed

Her man, that tech geek, is a cuck who is a power bottom. Her engorged clit prob puts it on him. He Likes his chicks with bigger biceps and shoulders than him. The rapper Common likes it like that too I guess(her ex). Id bang her cause Im a filthy dirty pig and shes rich, but shes not my cup of tea. Like my chicks thick but soft and curvy, not ripped and veiny.

 

[Deleted member 409801]

Sure, here's a simple other possibility. She thinks they are discriminating against her relative to all other female tennis players because of her success.

Yours is the weakest reading possible, especially given your examples of Jesse Owens and Jackie Robinson actually involved overt statements of racial discrimination and overt responses to it. When most black athletes allege racial discrimination they state the race component. For example when Kaepernick took his formal position against the anthem he specified that it was about police treatment of black people, not generic police treatment. When LBJ's house was vandalized, he specified his belief that race played a role. Here, Serena makes no reference to race at all.

Your example is even weaker given that her sister doesn't get tested very much. You think that Serena Williams is alleging racial discrimination while probably knowing how little her own sister gets tested? You think it's an allusion to racial discrimination when she references that she gets tested more than other tennis players. Yet she would have to know that there are other black tennis players in the group of people who are getting tested less than she is?

Your reading is weak. She says discrimination. References herself vs. all tennis players. The obvious read is that they are discriminating against her compared to all tennis players, not just white ones. Not black ones vs. white ones. You have to make a special leap of illogic to read in that it's specifically about race.

https://www.hotnewhiphop.com/common...f-drug-testing-discrimination-news.55879.html

This article paints a pretty racist'ey picture