Serena Williams cries "discrimination" over drug testing

[Witchhunt]

Wood?

 

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[Madmick]

It's not because she is black. Seriously. We know this.

Do "we"? Roll through the thread, and particularly the jpeg of the Tweet conversation that sprung out of this in post #128 above (from her own Tweet, and then from the Daily Mail who reported it in their own tweet).

I was on the money. She knows what she's doing, begging the question, but it appears that there is still a lack of will or willingness to confront her for it. It has to be built on both sides: the willingness to listen, and the willingness to police your own side when they're abusing the dialogue.

As @salamander mentioned: I'm policing Cernovich. He is a monster by comparison, certainly, but it's no less my "side" (two-fold). I don't feel like I'm seeing reciprocation, here. No, it's her "physique", it's not racial, although of course black athletes have more suspicious physiques, so....wait, what just happened? Did we get lost on the way to proving my point for me? It was a black poster who first forwarded this apologism in the thread, and another who ran with it.

I feel so helpless. Fuel for Trump.

 

[KantoTerror]

Serena's clit is bigger than my dick guaranteed

Would bang that big clitted millionairess...

 

[jamel]

Come on man, don't be obtuse.

Here's a list of the 10 fastest 100 meter sprinters in history:

1. Usain Bolt
2. Tyson Gay
3. Asafa Powell
4. Maurice Greene
5. Donovan Bailey
6. Bruny Surin
7. Leroy Burrell
8. Justin Gatlin
9. Olusoji Fasuba
10. Carl Lewis

What do 100% of these men have in common that 85% of the world population does not?

I hear you.

But there is a reason you look better in the Gym mirror versus the mirror in your home bathroom.

I do not deny the benefits of selective breeding. But I also aint gonna ignore the generations of shitty eatting and the impact it has had.

Some families take sports serious, some use it as a babysitter. It is obvious the people you named took their training seriously.

A tan and proper lighting will have alot of yall saying "damn, i didnt know they were that brolic"

 

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[Gervais]

tbh she does have a point. This is 2018 and compare her to other american players and she has played less tournaments and matches this year than all of these

According to the USADA Test History database (it's updated weekly), here are the numbers of tests conducted by USADA so far this year (ranking is in parentheses):
Serena: 5 [2018 Wimbledon finalist, ranked 27]
Sloane: 1 [2018 FO finalist, ranked 3rd]
Keys: 1 [2017 USO finalist, ranked 12]
Venus: 2 [2017 AO and Wimby finalist, 14]
Coco: 2 [19]
Collins: 0 [43]
Townsend: 0 [61]
Riske: 1 [67]
Vickery: 0 [74]
Bellis: 1 [86]
McHale: 1 [97]

 

[dim_]

Training through an injury is a huge part of the game so is recovering from an injury. If you want to deem anti-inflammatories and painkilllers to be PEDS then you'd have to do the same for all medicine and surgeries since their goals are accomplishing the same thing.

And I guarantee you that corticosteroids and opiods aren't banned because of their performance enhancing benefits...but I'll ask the expert on this matter

@dimspace why are some opiods and corticosteroids banned or restricted by USADA?

corticosteroids are only prohibited in competition, and not by all methods of adminstration.

various reasons, probably the most widely abused drugs out there, can help with anything from power and strength, to rapid weight loss, to better breathing..

 

[dim_]

tbh she does have a point. This is 2018 and compare her to other american players and she has played less tournaments and matches this year than all of these

According to the USADA Test History database (it's updated weekly), here are the numbers of tests conducted by USADA so far this year (ranking is in parentheses):
Serena: 5 [2018 Wimbledon finalist, ranked 27]
Sloane: 1 [2018 FO finalist, ranked 3rd]
Keys: 1 [2017 USO finalist, ranked 12]
Venus: 2 [2017 AO and Wimby finalist, 14]
Coco: 2 [19]
Collins: 0 [43]
Townsend: 0 [61]
Riske: 1 [67]
Vickery: 0 [74]
Bellis: 1 [86]
McHale: 1 [97]

she has no point, the USADA figures are totally horseshit as far as testing goes.

The only numbers that appear on the USADA website, are tests conducted by USADA out of competition on athletes in the olympic testing pool.

it does not include:

Any testing on Non-US nationals
Any testing in competition at ITF Events
Any testing requested by the ITF


The only people on the USADA database will be american athletes in the testing pool, and even then it wont include any of the tests conducted by the ITF

Luke thomas was tweeting earlier that the various grand slam winners have not been tested at all this year which is complete and utter bollocks..

Why would a Dane, A Romanian and A Russian appear on USADA's test lists???? Why would testing at Wimbledon or the French or Australian opens appear on USADA's testing lists? Why would testing conducted by the ITF appear on USADA's lists?>

they dont..

 

[Madmick]

To revisit the central contention of the reading that she isn't begging the question forwarded in this thread:

Your example is even weaker given that her sister doesn't get tested very much. You think that Serena Williams is alleging racial discrimination while probably knowing how little her own sister gets tested? You think it's an allusion to racial discrimination when she references that she gets tested more than other tennis players. Yet she would have to know that there are other black tennis players in the group of people who are getting tested less than she is?

Your reading is weak. She says discrimination. References herself vs. all tennis players. The obvious read is that they are discriminating against her compared to all tennis players, not just white ones. Not black ones vs. white ones. You have to make a special leap of illogic to read in that it's specifically about race.

She didn't mention her sister. She mentioned no one specific. There are also other tennis players who have powerful physiques who are tested less, so incontrovertibly this isn't a control.

No, Sherdog, I'm afraid the only compelling reading is the race-bait, and Twitter knew that.

 

[jamel]

Only 12/25 of those guys are from the US. About 1/3 are from Africa itself. That's not because of 'selective breeding'.

Man. My point is that folks think they can eyeball an athlete and can tell if they are juicing, that shit aint been viable since the days of Jose Canseco.

Just cause a mother fucker got big shoulders dont mean anything.

The science behind physical training has made too many advancements for folks to still be using the old methods of trying to judge somebody.

They are all juicing if we are being honest.

 

[dim_]

To revisit the central contention of the reading that she isn't begging the question forwarded in this thread:

She didn't mention her sister. She mentioned no one specific. There are also other tennis players who have powerful physiques who are tested less, so incontrovertibly this isn't a control.

No, Sherdog, I'm afraid the only compelling reading is the race-bait, and Twitter knew that.

but we have no idea if she has been tested more or less.

We dont have the test numbers from the ITF, or UKAD, or AFLD, or ASADA, or Anti Doping Denmark, or Romanian Anti Doping, etc etc etc

 

[Madmick]

The triumphalism in the OP is pretty ham-fisted and paternalistic, paticularly since TS has made a series of recent appeals against this very same type of predatory morality he so despises in people like Mike Cernovitch who uses smashmouth activism towards their own cynical ends.

BTW, even though I think you have already realized and accepted my true intent with your like of post #128, I would like to ask how this argument works based on my OP.

What action have I called for against Serena except condemnation from her own race for appealing to the lowest common denominator? What more than to be shamed for that?

I haven't demanded any form of formal action against her livelihood, her advertisers, or anything else like that based on her rhetoric. So perhaps you can explain how I am similar to creeps like Cernovich? Or to the posters in here who supported the removal of Donald Sterling, for example, from ownership of his own team, the LA Clippers, for no other demonstrable reason than he asked his trophy black mistress not to bring black guys to his basketball team's games; in a private conversation she recorded without his awareness?

 

[Gervais]

Ok she isbbeing targetted. But not because of race. Tennis testers target two group more than others. Up coming young players and aging stars coming from injuries. Stats show these 2 groups are more likely to cheat. Serena is 36 coming from childbirth pushing for last success. Logic says if she was ever gonna dope....it would be now

 

[Madmick]

You mean them same people that get all their History from 20 second videos on Facebook, and then attempt to have discussions based on the things gleemed in said vid?

Non-factor.

I fled Facebook, but I don't think those people have been a non-factor, politically speaking.

Ok she isbbeing targetted. But not because of race. Tennis testers target two group more than others. Up coming young players and aging stars coming from injuries. Stats show these 2 groups are more likely to cheat. Serena is 36 coming from childbirth pushing for last success. Logic says if she was ever gonna dope....it would be now

Do you have data on this because I think that could be legit. Those seem like two groups that the anti-doping authorities might profile, and reasonably so.

 

[lifelessheap]

To revisit the central contention of the reading that she isn't begging the question forwarded in this thread:

She didn't mention her sister. She mentioned no one specific. There are also other tennis players who have powerful physiques who are tested less, so incontrovertibly this isn't a control.

No, Sherdog, I'm afraid the only compelling reading is the race-bait, and Twitter knew that.

LOL, this chick is absurd. Ban this chick. I bet she has a panic room too.

 

[MaxMMA]

Them testing her more is obviously because she's black and the testers hate black folks. Has nothing to do with her being built like a brick shithouse, or being better built than 99% of the make tennis players, nooo sirrrey.

 

[Gervais]

I fled Facebook, but I don't think those people have been a non-factor, politically speaking.

Do you have data on this because I think that could be legit. Those seem like two groups that the anti-doping authorities might profile, and reasonably so.

No data. Just an interview I read from a former player a while ago. He could be talking shit. But it made sense when he explained how many young players in the challenge level who is trying to get a foot in the main tour where the money is. And older player who tasted succes but cant keep up physically and cant accept it was the reason he gave

 

[vengeful]

corticosteroids are only prohibited in competition, and not by all methods of adminstration.

various reasons, probably the most widely abused drugs out there, can help with anything from power and strength, to rapid weight loss, to better breathing..

Is this entire post about corticosteroids or are you also addressing opioids?