Seated cable row vs bent over row

[DrBdan]

Which is like seeing Elton John thumbing through a Hustler.

lol, probably the only situation where "I just read it for the articles" might be true.

 

[iohc86]

???
Umm... no.

A properly done armbar is way more about pushing your hips up and through while locking the other persons hand high on your chest (and keeping your knees tight). The only thing you use your arms for is to lock your opponents arm in place.

A power clean mimics arm bar motion better than a seated cable row.

I know that. Thats why I also do good mornings and the occasional deadlift. But this topic isnt about those exercises. It was about the seated cable row vs the bent over row. The initial starting phase of the armbar mimics the seated cable row. You pull your opponents arm to your chest and lean back. I just find the motion of the seated cable row to be closer to an armbar then the bent over row. I also looked up on the muscles being worked in both exercises

Cable Seated Row
Barbell Bent-over Row

Both exercises are compound, pulling and work the exact same muscle groups. However the seated cable row uses the erector spinae(main deadlift muscle) while the bent over row only uses the erector spinae of stabilization.

If you are prying your opponents arm away from their chest using your arms then you are doing it wrong. You'd never, ever land an arm bar on me if you did it that way.

Did I ever say I used only my arms? The cable row doesnt even target the arms that much. When your opponent resists the armbar(usually by grabbing the arm that is about to get armbarred). You either give up and secure another submission, move to another position, or you try to overpower their grip and secure the armbar. The last one is what im talking about.

Seated rows to strengthen armbars makes about as much sense as doing curls to defend them

Awful example. No one defeats the armbar by curling. You do however use your back muscles and erector spinae when armbarring.

You fucking idiot, nobody is good at MMA or grappling because they have a "Really powerful armbar motion" anyway.

Whats a matter? Is it that time of the month already?

Btw thanks for the advice captain dipshit.

DS, you're right that I shouldn't insult people if I want to win an argument, but with people like this I really couldn't care less whether or not they take on board what I have to say, nor do I expect an intelligent response from them. If someone who can prove their own intellectual merit says something I disagree with, then they'll recieve a response aimed at their intelligence level.

Lol, typical display of internet elitism. We get it. Your shit doesnt stink. You are a higher life form then us. You were born perfect and you never had to ask anyone for help.

I asked a question(I wasnt claiming I knew everything) and you throw a fit because of it. Whatever. I personally suggest you grow up and learn to respect people.

That, and I just enjoy being a massive dick on the internet.

<a sign of insecurity>

 

[ljcsov]

I've done both. Personally, the bent over row is a lot more challenging for me so I stick to that.

 

[hunto]

I asked a question(I wasnt claiming I knew everything)

You're just wanting an argument. You're in here trolling.

 

[iohc86]

You're just wanting an argument. You're in here trolling.

And this is according to the same guy who tried to correct my spelling in a weightlifting forum?

 

[gza]

And this is according to the same guy who tried to correct my spelling in a weightlifting forum?

and?

 

[Prokofievian]

And this is according to the same guy who tried to correct my spelling in a weightlifting forum?

This post is, by its very nature, argumentative. You're fighting for peace here. He may be argumentative, but the fact that he's hypocritical does not make him incorrect.

Hunto, ippon via sacrifice throw.

 

[gza]

One of the PLers at my gym (my gym also has boxing and bjj) always talks about curling out of armbars (well not directly, but he makes a strained curl motion whilst pushing away with his other hand) every time someone who does BJJ asks him about strength training. He knows just enough about BJJ to know that armbars exist, but not enough to know how retarded that is. I'm sure if he thought about it he'd realise that even for someone with no strength training whatsoever, hip extension is a stronger movement than elbow flexion.

it was either mark hunt who curled out of fedor's armbar or vice versa.

curling out of an armbar DOES happen and anyone who says otherwise either doesn't train or is an idiot.

 

[RedNeckJiuJitsu]

it was either mark hunt who curled out of fedor's armbar or vice versa.

curling out of an armbar DOES happen and anyone who says otherwise either doesn't train or is an idiot.

It does happen, but it's rare and usually only works when the elbow is in the wrong position (although a strong lower back can still break the forearm here (see Mir vs Sylvia). A better lift to mimic an armbar escape is DB BORs.

TS - You were told that better lifts to complement the armbar than either cable rows or BORs are Zercher DLs and Power Cleans, and that while cable rows aren't bad, they're not the best choice to have as a main lift. You were also told that you should train your body for strength and then apply that strength to the techniques you've learned. The fact that you chose to ignore this all means you came in here looking for somebody to stroke your ego.

Oh, and while I think that there's leeway for grammar on teh internets, there/their/they're is really so basic that you need to go back to elementary school if you can't figure it out.

 

[Chaos Mitten**]

I dont deadlift very often due to erector spinae over training.

This is why you're fat.

 

[SteveX]

When your opponent resists the armbar(usually by grabbing the arm that is about to get armbarred). You either give up and secure another submission, move to another position, or you try to overpower their grip and secure the armbar. The last one is what im talking about.

If you ever find yourself trying to overpower your opponent/training partner in jui-jitsu then you're doing it wrong.

There are several counters to armbar defenses (especially when talking about the basic juji gatame with your opponent's back on the mat) which don't require any strength.

 

[joe broadway]

so, more cable rows = better armbar?

 

[SteveX]

as for the actual topic...it seems like you are going to do seated cable rows no matter what advice you get and just wanted people to stroke your e-peen.

Generally when you have to movements which work the same muscles, but one is a machine, the free weight movement is better. As for the additional erector spinae work from seated cable rows you keep harping on...do deadlifts

 

[Mr Gorgeous]

as for the actual topic...it seems like you are going to do seated cable rows no matter what advice you get and just wanted people to stroke your e-peen.

Generally when you have to movements which work the same muscles, but one is a machine, the free weight movement is better. As for the additional erector spinae work from seated cable rows you keep harping on...do deadlifts

This. And the fact that BORs are harder for me is why I do them.

The flaming in here isn't necessary but that's just the way it is. Breezer is like this. I would advice you to just get to know the personalities around here if you want to stick around.

 

[SocraticMethod]

This. And the fact that BORs are harder for me is why I do them.

The flaming in here isn't necessary but that's just the way it is. Breezer is like this. I would advice you to just get to know the personalities around here if you want to stick around.

 

[iohc86]

and?

so?

This post is, by its very nature, argumentative. You're fighting for peace here. He may be argumentative, but the fact that he's hypocritical does not make him incorrect.

Hunto, ippon via sacrifice throw.

No, it only makes him a hypocrite and a troll. I asked a question. He replied by correcting my grammar. He then later called me argumentative and a troll for asking said question. Which is beyond idiotic on his part. If you don't like my question, don't answer it. Whats so difficult for the hypocrites to understand? They started this pointless argument. All I wanted was some insight. Not a bunch of internet tough guys attacking me for something so pointless as a question.

This is why you're fat.

Im under 200 pounds. In fact the reason why I lift is to get bigger and stronger.

 

[bubs]

And this is according to the same guy who tried to correct my spelling in a weightlifting forum?

Not necessarily a weightlifting forum, buddy.

 

[bubs]

You're just like the guy at my gym who was talking about how he does the pec dec machine so he can take two guys in front of him and slam them together.

 

[AF_TX]

You're just like the guy at my gym who was talking about how he does the pec dec machine so he can take two guys in front of him and slam them together.

I see we've met before.

 

[Standard]

it was either mark hunt who curled out of fedor's armbar or vice versa.

curling out of an armbar DOES happen and anyone who says otherwise either doesn't train or is an idiot.

Have you even watched the fight?

Hunt got out of the armbar by grabbing his arm, stacking fedor and preventing him from getting his leg under his head, then escaped by rolling out when it was close. That's called technique, not a bicep curl.

If you ever find yourself trying to overpower your opponent/training partner in jui-jitsu then you're doing it wrong.

This is why working seated rows to get better at armbars doesn't make sense. There are some submissions where brute strength helps alot but armbars are not one of them.