Seated cable row vs bent over row

[iohc86]

Is their a point in doing bent over rows? The seated cable row targets the exact same muscles as the bent over row with the addition of the erector spinae. Making it a superior compound exercise right?

The seated cable row seems to be the more functional exercise. It mimics the pulling motion of an armbar.

 

[hunto]

Then 'theirs' no point in doing BORs.

 

[ShadowNINku]

easy answer:
go Benoit yourself

serious answer:
machines are less functional then free weights (self explanatory)
working movements is more functional than working muscles

do dynamic rows if you want to add some hip movement to your bent over rows
this "mimics the motion of an armbar"

 

[cXs808]

why not zercher deadlift if your trying to strengthen the armbar

 

[iohc86]

easy answer:
go Benoit yourself

serious answer:
machines are less functional then free weights (self explanatory)

But cable rows allow freedom of motion. It may be a machine but its not set on a pre determined path like those expensive ten kajillion dollar bench machines.

Lever Bench Press (plate loaded)

working movements is more functional than working muscles

do dynamic rows if you want to add some hip movement to your bent over rows
this "mimics the motion of an armbar"

In that regard the cable row still beats the bent over row. The cable row mimics how you grab the arm and lean back during the armbar. The bent over row, not so much.

The cable row also seem to work the muscles necessary to pry a resisting opponents arm during the armbar.

why not zercher deadlift if your trying to strengthen the armbar

I prefer good mornings. I dont deadlift very often due to erector spinae over training.

 

[cXs808]

I prefer good mornings. I dont deadlift very often due to erector spinae over training.

Then you are missing out on one of the best lifts for Jiu Jitsu practitioners...a great back,leg, and grip strength builder. Probably the best.

 

[BreezerD**]

Well, you really should deadlift.

As far as cable exercises, I think the cable row is the least bad.

 

[hunto]

I prefer good mornings. I dont deadlift very often due to erector spinae over training.

Good mornings are more functional than deadlifts.

And of course, they don't work the erector spinae.

 

[ForeRunner]

The seated cable row seems to be the more functional exercise. It mimics the pulling motion of an armbar.

???

Umm... no.

A properly done armbar is way more about pushing your hips up and through while locking the other persons hand high on your chest (and keeping your knees tight). The only thing you use your arms for is to lock your opponents arm in place.

A power clean mimics arm bar motion better than a seated cable row.

 

[ForeRunner]

The cable row also seem to work the muscles necessary to pry a resisting opponents arm during the armbar.

If you are prying your opponents arm away from their chest using your arms then you are doing it wrong. You'd never, ever land an arm bar on me if you did it that way.

 

[BreezerD**]

You fucking idiot, nobody is good at MMA or grappling because they have a "Really powerful armbar motion" anyway.

 

[Standard]

Seated rows to strengthen armbars makes about as much sense as doing curls to defend them

 

[DEVILsSON]

Strength is strength, trying to make it specific to your sport is a losing battle. You train specificity of your strength during your technique practice in the ring/cage/mat/etc. Gain the most strength you can outside the ring, then practice applying that new found strength during your technique practice.

BORs/Dynamic Rows are superior to cable rows in that you're upright and a greater number of muscles are involved, allowing for greater strength capability/production. Cable rows are still a fine exercise and can be rotated in your training for diversity.

Breezer part of winning an argument is having the other party be willing to listen to you. If you insult the other person, no matter how great your point/argument is, you will always lose.

 

[BreezerD**]

Seated rows to strengthen armbars makes about as much sense as doing curls to defend them

One of the PLers at my gym (my gym also has boxing and bjj) always talks about curling out of armbars (well not directly, but he makes a strained curl motion whilst pushing away with his other hand) every time someone who does BJJ asks him about strength training. He knows just enough about BJJ to know that armbars exist, but not enough to know how retarded that is. I'm sure if he thought about it he'd realise that even for someone with no strength training whatsoever, hip extension is a stronger movement than elbow flexion.

 

[RedNeckJiuJitsu]

Seated rows to strengthen armbars makes about as much sense as doing curls to defend them

Which is like seeing Elton John thumbing through a Hustler.

 

[DEVILsSON]

Exactly, that's the same logic as doing lots of tricep extensions to become a better puncher/boxer. Clearly legs/hips create a lot more power in a punch than an arm but that's counter-intuitive to a lot of people who focus merely on the end product.

 

[BreezerD**]

DS, you're right that I shouldn't insult people if I want to win an argument, but with people like this I really couldn't care less whether or not they take on board what I have to say, nor do I expect an intelligent response from them. If someone who can prove their own intellectual merit says something I disagree with, then they'll recieve a response aimed at their intelligence level.



That, and I just enjoy being a massive dick on the internet.

 

[vision1]

I actually prefer seated cable rows to BORs.

 

[Standard]

I actually prefer seated cable rows to BORs.

I think they are a good option when your lower back is fried from heavy DL's but wouldn't switch BOR for them.

 

[Prokofievian]

Breezer part of winning an argument is having the other party be willing to listen to you. If you insult the other person, no matter how great your point/argument is, you will always lose.

Boy, won't Barut's face be red when he realizes this.