Crime School Shooting In Wisconsin

[filthybliss]

Gross.

We don’t need a database to tell us this happens wayyyy too often. We don’t need to split hairs over the exact definition of “gun violence” to know that we have far more poeple dying because of guns than any other industrialized nation.

You and I may disagree on things like the meaning of the 2A, but of all your opinions on guns, this one—“Whaddya mean we have a gun problem?”—is the most disturbing.

Also the Daily Signal is a far right trash outlet.

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What type of restrictions do you want? Kids or mentally ill people can’t legally buy guns by default.

https://www.ncsl.org/civil-and-criminal-justice/possession-of-firearms-by-people-with-mental-illness

With that being addressed, firearms are designed for civilians to defend their homes in case of emergency or if the government were to go completely ballistic and start invading people’s physical privacy.

Some people will obviously use firearms for more nefarious reasons. But why should society as a whole be collectively punished for it? Do you want to ban cars because there are some drivers that are out to speed and get into crashes? Obviously not because that would greatly inconvenience people from going to point A from point B.It’s not much of a different story here.

I think social media and parents being negligent of their kids’ activity is the elephant in the room here. There were obvious signs that the shooter was scheming something diabolical from their social media posting…

 

[deadshot138]

Where are we getting tranny from? I don't claim to be a tranny expert but that just look like a girl to me.

Think it ended up being an unfortunate looking girl. I was under the impression whatever Twitter account was writing about her being their "wife" was a female as well. Apparently that's also not the case. The Columbine obsession and hatred of men reeks of poor parenting, lack of socialization, and mental illness.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

Think it ended up being an unfortunate looking girl. I was under the impression whatever Twitter account was writing about her being their "wife" was a female as well. Apparently that's also not the case. The Columbine obsession and hatred of men reeks of poor parenting, lack of socialization, and mental illness.

I don't think she even looks unfortunate, she's just a bit emo.

 

[Larzon]

Rinse and repeat.

America is a toilet

 

[Billy no mates]

We stomp people in war.

We just absolutely suck at occupation.

Maybe try teaching Johnny Foreigner how to play Cricket and build them a nice Steam Railway , it worked for us .

 

[BFoe]

Using the word Queer is lumping everyone that is different on the rainbow under the same umbrella. That is not fair. A gay kid is not the same as a Trans kid.

Yeah, I understand that being gay isn’t the same as being trans. But I’m not just talking about attitudes towards trans people, or gay people, or intersex, or asexual, or pansexual, or bisexual…I’m speaking in general about attitudes towards all people who are non-gender normative in some way. I could say LGBTQ+, and sometimes I do, but many LGBTQ+ people use the word queer as I am. There’s a huge variety of non-normative gender identities and orientations, and queer is intended to encompass all of that.

Just because it didn't make sense to you doesn't mean it doesn't make sense.

It's not that I refuse to learn, quite the opposite really. I actually used to believe the liberal mainstream explanation, that people were just being born in the wrong body and it was just another flavor of sexual orientation like homosexuality but the more I researched it the more I realized it actually has more in common with other body dysmorphia mental illnesses like anorexia or people with BIID. There was no scientific basis to stop categorizing it as a mental disorder but continue to categorize those others as mental disorders, it was purely political. All serious scientists actually know this but they fear saying it publicly because they know its career suicide.

So, first point: the analogy you presented, and Mr. Holmes too, doesn’t work.
A person who (for example) is rejected by their family, rejected and bullied their classmates, not accepted by counselors or put through fucked up processes like conversion therapy, not listened to or accepted by teachers, cut off from other resources and maybe not being properly treated for mental illness who then retaliates for this treatment, is a totally different scenario than a woman being randomly attacked by some psychopath she doesn’t know because she’s wearing a miniskirt or whatever.

This also doesn’t mean, as some ITT said, that I’m blaming the victims for the tragedy in those instances—obviously no one deserves to lose their lives in a tragic event like this or even have to go through it at all, and intimately the event happens because of the shooter.
What I was commenting on, was a post where someone called this an “Alphabet Mafia Hit” and I was pointing out that it’s interesting how people here are eager to blame a queer person for being queer, and almost never look at the way other people treated that person. Even amongst straight, cisgendered shooters, they are often marginalized, bullied, etc.

There was absolutely a scientific basis to remove things like homosexuality from the DSM as a mental disorder, and we have a good amount of evidence as to potential causes of gender dysphoria/people identifying as transgender. It’s not fully known obviously, but there’s more then enough data to determine that it’s a normal deviation,

 

[oldshadow]

Perhaps it should be harder for people to obtain guns.

The 2a crowd balk at the idea that the government would ever tell them where to keep their guns, how or even if they should secure them, etc.

There are plenty of laws on who can get or have guns. Perhaps we should enforce those laws and on some make the punishment for breaking them more severe.

Plenty of states have storage laws what the anti 2nd want is stupid laws for storage. The laws that you have to keep your guns safe from children is fine. What's not fine is laws that say they have to be locked at all time, unloaded and the ammo locked separately. Then they want to add they can come in anytime to check them. Then instead of holding the criminals responsible if they break in and steal your guns they want to go after the gun owners.

 

[spamking]

Perhaps it should be harder for people to obtain guns.

The 2a crowd balk at the idea that the government would ever tell them where to keep their guns, how or even if they should secure them, etc.

What's the logic behind imposing more gun control when most firearms will never be used maliciously, and the vast majority of gun owners will never commit a violent crime? How can further restricting an inalienable right reduce violence when criminals, by definition, are already breaking the law?

I wish you guys would admit that your goal is to restrict our rights in exchange for a false sense of security.

 

[44nutman]

Too bad those kids were not CEO’s, then Corporate owned media might actually give a shit.

 

[ColemanwastheGOAT]

Perhaps it should be harder for people to obtain guns.

Maybe they should just make shooting people illegal.

 

[ColemanwastheGOAT]

What's the logic behind imposing more gun control

To more easily impose tyranny on the population. That's why people in power want gun control. It's irrelevant why NPCs want gun control. They're just programmed to say it.

 

[I Am Legion]

Yeah, I understand that being gay isn’t the same as being trans. But I’m not just talking about attitudes towards trans people, or gay people, or intersex, or asexual, or pansexual, or bisexual…I’m speaking in general about attitudes towards all people who are non-gender normative in some way. I could say LGBTQ+, and sometimes I do, but many LGBTQ+ people use the word queer as I am. There’s a huge variety of non-normative gender identities and orientations, and queer is intended to encompass all of that.

I get that but I think it is unfair. Reason being is that a Gay person is just someone that has a sexual preference. A lot of this other stuff def involves mental illness, and other aspects that to me are not the same. My Gay cousin just likes other men. He is a normal dude living his life. He doesn't need attention, have dysphoria, have any weird sexual fetishes he needs the world to know about. He doesn't paint his hair blue and fight over what pronoun he is and create these very specific terminology he wants to be identified as. He fought for equal rights and the right to marry his partner. Now he has to get lumped in with Trans woman destroying women in sports and people that scream if you don't refer to them as "they". Being gay should be normalized and it probably would be if the rainbow brigade didn't jump on the wagon.

 

[650lb Sumo]

The US has such a stellar war record after WWII.

The US doesn't have a stellar war record before WWII. Just looking at major conflicts:

Revolutionary War: won, but would have lost without major help from France and Spain
1812: draw, but with the US getting the shorter end of the stick, and the UK and Spain having the Napoleonic Wars to deal with at the same time
Spanish-American War: This was a decent win. Of course, Spain had a bit of a geographical disadvantage being on the other side of one or two oceans.
WWI: The US side won, but it only played quite a small role.
WWII: The US side won, but other countries did most of the work.

Looking after WWII:

Korean War: draw, despite China having a GDP per capita of about $55 in 2024 dollars. They did have some help from the USSR though, it's only fair to mention.
Vietnam War: heavy loss
Gulf War: win, although with significant help from other countries
Afghanistan War: loss which was costly in $, prestige and international influence, although not in numbers of killed and wounded
Iraq War 1: inconclusive
Iraq War 2: Win

It's just not that impressive of a record, don't flame me. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[I Am Legion]

There are plenty of laws on who can get or have guns. Perhaps we should enforce those laws and on some make the punishment for breaking them more severe.

Plenty of states have storage laws what the anti 2nd want is stupid laws for storage. The laws that you have to keep your guns safe from children is fine. What's not fine is laws that say they have to be locked at all time, unloaded and the ammo locked separately. Then they want to add they can come in anytime to check them. Then instead of holding the criminals responsible if they break in and steal your guns they want to go after the gun owners.

It is so simple. Commit a crime with a gun, get the book thrown at you. SImple. Instead we have liberal DA's like Brag that say that is racist and sent a memo out saying unless the gun is discharged, he won't prosecute. Fuck that. Use a gun in a crime or get caught with an unlicensed firearm on your person, get heavy time.

 

[kflo]

it was a stupid post to begin with, but harris isn't the president. she has no authority to do anything about it as vp. so not really the curb stomp....that said, she lost, and she'll do fookin noothin.

 

[mkess101]

The US doesn't have a stellar war record before WWII. Just looking at major conflicts:

Revolutionary War: won, but would have lost without major help from France and Spain
1812: draw, but with the US getting the shorter end of the stick, and the UK and Spain having the Napoleonic Wars to deal with at the same time
Spanish-American War: This was a decent win. Of course, Spain had a bit of a geographical disadvantage being on the other side of one or two oceans.
WWI: The US side won, but it only played quite a small role.
WWII: The US side won, but other countries did most of the work.

Looking after WWII:

Korean War: draw, despite China having a GDP per capita of about $55 in 2024 dollars. They did have some help from the USSR though, it's only fair to mention.
Vietnam War: heavy loss
Gulf War: win, although with significant help from other countries
Afghanistan War: loss which was costly in $, prestige and international influence, although not in numbers of killed and wounded
Iraq War 1: inconclusive
Iraq War 2: Win

It's just not that impressive of a record, don't flame me. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Afghanistan? We decimated them in the "war" part. Again, trying to occupy for 20+ years (and failing miserably) isn't "losing a war". Maybe semantics to a degree but there's still a distinction.

The reality is the US doesn’t fight wars (and hasn't in a long time) to achieve total victory. That's not an objective. We fight wars to send messages and protect our interests. We do it too often and often with a short sighted view, but we absolutely fight in a very restrained way. Much of that now is because the global fallout of not showing restraint would be cataclysmic. We outspend the next closest nation like 4-1 on our military. We have to keep a Governor on, we can't just wreck a country and leave a smoking hole.

 

[fedorthegoat777]

Regardless of who the shooter turns out to be, this country has way too many fucking guns, way too lax regulations, and a bunch of conservatives unwilling to do a single fucking thing about it, and they deserve to be called out. They should be called out every time this happens.

Schools will be targeted more, easy pickings.

They need armed security in schools and the problem will stop.

 

[My Spot]

Schools will be targeted more, easy pickings.

They need armed security in schools and the problem will stop.

Well BFoe wants all guns banned so good luck.

 

[650lb Sumo]

Schools will be targeted more, easy pickings.

They need armed security in schools and the problem will stop.

The US is more armed than peer or near-peer countries, and has more shootings not fewer. Idk it's almost like more guns = more people getting shot. Anyway

Presence of Armed School Officials and Fatal and Nonfatal Gunshot Injuries During Mass School Shootings, United States, 1980-2019 | Office of Justice Programs

By examining every recorded incident where one or more people was intentionally shot in a school building during the school day, or where a perpetrator came to school heavily armed with the intent of firing indiscriminately, we examine the association between the presence of an armed officer on...

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Results are presented as incident rate ratios in Table 2 and show armed guards were not associated with significant reduction in rates of injuries; in fact, controlling for the aforementioned factors of location and school characteristics, the rate of deaths was 2.83 times greater in schools with an armed guard present (incidence rate ratio, 2.96; 95% CI = 1.43-6.13; P = .003).

This study had some limitations. It is limited by its reliance on public data, lack of data on community characteristics, and inability to measure deterred shootings (nonevents). However, the data suggest no association between having an armed officer and deterrence of violence in these cases. An armed officer on the scene was the number one factor associated with increased casualties after the perpetrators’ use of assault rifles or submachine guns. The well-documented weapons effect explains that the presence of a weapon increases aggression. Whenever firearms are present, there is room for error, and even highly trained officers get split-second decisions wrong. Prior research suggests that many school shooters are actively suicidal, intending to die in the act, so an armed officer may be an incentive rather than a deterrent. The majority of shooters who target schools are students of the school, calling into question the effectiveness of hardened security and active shooter drills. Instead, schools must invest in resources to prevent shootings before they occur.

 

[WklySportsMemes]

Too bad those kids were not CEO’s, then Corporate owned media might actually give a shit.

As horrible as this stuff is I think a lot of coverage appeals to other mentally ill nut jobs. It turns the POS criminal into a martyr that appeals to weirdos on the fence also contemplating a crashout.

Plus disrupting the world, causing chaos & outrage, all while having their name in bright lights is exactly what these terrorists fetishize & hope for when they embark down this sick road.

I'm not saying to censor it, but I think from an integrity standpoint the media should definitely use a lot of discretion when reporting on the epidemic of school shootings.