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Crime School shooting in Georgia

The notion that guns are more dangerous than protective to an individual is misguided, for a number of reasons:

1) People are individuals not monoliths. The fact that some people commit suicide with a gun, doesn't mean that a gun presents any suicide risk at all to someone who is not of the small minority.

2) Recency bias.. if one looks at the current events of the last few years, than it would seem that a gun is not needed for protection, and that random gun crime presents a far greater danger. However, if one takes a more thorough look at history, the numbers of people murdered during massive civil unrest, or under the control of a tyrannical authority are FAR greater. An armed populous keeps these dangers at bay. When tyrants come to power it's typical to see 20% or more of the population decimated, in the US that would mean 70,000,000 dead, or 3500 years of gun homicide.
I disagree. The presence of a firearm makes the emotional and impulsive behaviors of individuals easu to act on to a catastrophic degree. And the irresponsibility of individuals in caring for their guns allows for the impulsive nature of others. There is no excuse for owning a deadly weapon, especially in the presence of troubled children, and not keeping it secured and out of their ability to access. While guns in of themselves aren't the problem, the fact that anyone can easily access such a dangerous tool with no education on how to handle them is a problem.

An armed populous IN THEORY is a good thing. But when that populous is greatly divided, turned against each other, and are told that anyone who isn't on their side wants to ruin their lives...it only leads to more violence.

And for the record, I am not anti gun. I am pro gun education. If we're going to arm the populous, we need to ensure they are educated on how to be a good owner
 
We have airline security because of 9-11 and the actual risk is pretty small, so, we all have to go through the hassle and wait because of that small risk. The school shootings are actually a pretty small percentage of all schools, turning schools into prisons for that is the answer? I don't know.
Well in addition to airline security we have extensive regulation for plane maintenance, flights, flight patterns and general air traffic stability

Making accidents and terrorirst attach relatively small infact negligible.


If you're asking should we have gun regulation similar to air travel, that can reduce the risks of kids getting shot or mass executed?

The answer to me; if you its an issue one cares about, is YES
 
The notion that guns are more dangerous than protective to an individual is misguided, for a number of reasons:

1) People are individuals not monoliths. The fact that some people commit suicide with a gun, doesn't mean that a gun presents any suicide risk at all to someone who is not of the small minority.

2) Recency bias.. if one looks at the current events of the last few years, than it would seem that a gun is not needed for protection, and that random gun crime presents a far greater danger. However, if one takes a more thorough look at history, the numbers of people murdered during massive civil unrest, or under the control of a tyrannical authority are FAR greater. An armed populous keeps these dangers at bay. When tyrants come to power it's typical to see 20% or more of the population decimated, in the US that would mean 70,000,000 dead, or 3500 years of gun homicide.

1) around 30% of adults report haveing been diagnosed with depression. Teens is closer to 35%. This number is raising rapidly. I don't agree that depressed people having access to a firearm is a risky that applies to a small minority.

2) can you reference an instance in the last century when any first world country has needed a heavily armed populace to fight off it's own tyrant in power attempting to decimate them? Seems this is a risk only present in much less developed countries.
 
Any other updates this week?

The shooter wrapped his weapon and rode the bus to school with it. Did his parents not lock the gun and ammo?
 
Any other updates this week?

The shooter wrapped his weapon and rode the bus to school with it. Did his parents not lock the gun and ammo?

No armed militiaman on the bus? That's insane! You have to wait to get to school to have a firefight with armed adults these days?

Guns in every school, every bus, every walkway, hell, every HOME.

That's how you trust a population with firearms. Stand over them with firearms.

- Republicans
 
1) around 30% of adults report haveing been diagnosed with depression. Teens is closer to 35%. This number is raising rapidly. I don't agree that depressed people having access to a firearm is a risky that applies to a small minority.
Only a fraction of people with a depression diagnosis experience suicidal ideation, much less become a risk to harm themselves,
 
No armed militiaman on the bus? That's insane! You have to wait to get to school to have a firefight with armed adults these days?

Guns in every school, every bus, every walkway, hell, every HOME.

That's how you trust a population with firearms. Stand over them with firearms.

- Republicans

You're so emotional. Like a woman.

Try showing some sympathy for the victims of illegal immigrant crimes due to Biden and Kamala inviting millions of them into America. You are real thoughtless.
 
You're so emotional. Like a woman.

Try showing some sympathy for the victims of illegal immigrant crimes due to Biden and Kamala inviting millions of them into America. You are real thoughtless.
I'm sorry I don't see the connection.

The shooter was not an illegal immigrant. The father was not an illegal immigrant.

Back on topic, I don't think we need to take away guns or militarize schools. But we should make people responsible for locking firearms and ammo. So I think it's encouraging we are seeing more prosecutors pressing negligent homicide charges on these extreme examples.
 

Georgia jury indicts father and son on murder charges for school shooting​

Colt Gray, 14, and his father, Colin Gray, were indicted separately for the mass shooting at Apalachee high school

A grand jury indicted a father and son on murder charges on Thursday in a mass shooting at Apalachee high school in Winder, Georgia.

Georgia media outlets reported that the Barrow county grand jury meeting in Winder indicted 14-year-old Colt Gray on a total of 55 counts, including four counts of malice murder, four counts of felony murder, plus aggravated assault and cruelty to children. Grand jurors formally charged his father, Colin Gray, with 29 counts, including second-degree murder, involuntary manslaughter and reckless conduct.

The deputy court clerk, Missy Headrick, confirmed that Colin and Colt Gray had been indicted in separate indictments. She said the clerk’s office had not yet processed the indictments and that the documents probably would not be available to the public until Friday.

Both are scheduled to appear for arraignment on 21 November, when each would formally enter a plea. Colin Gray is being held in the Barrow county jail. Colt Gray is charged as an adult but is being held in a juvenile detention center in Gainesville.

Neither has sought to be released on bail and their lawyers have previously declined to comment.

Investigators testified on Wednesday during a preliminary hearing for Colin Gray that Colt Gray carried a semiautomatic assault-style rifle on the school bus on 4 September, with the barrel sticking out of his book bag, wrapped up in a poster board. They say the boy left his second-period class and emerged from a bathroom with the rifle before shooting people in a classroom and hallways.

The shooting killed teachers Richard Aspinwall, 39, and Cristina Irimie, 53, and students Mason Schermerhorn and Christian Angulo, both 14. Another teacher and eight more students were wounded, seven of them hit by gunfire.

Investigators have said the teenager carefully plotted the shooting at the 1,900-student high school north-east of Atlanta. A Georgia bureau of investigation agent testified that the boy left a notebook in his classroom with step-by-step handwritten instructions to prepare for the assault. It included a diagram of his second-period classroom and his estimate that he could kill as many as 26 people and wound as many as 13 others. “Surprised if I make it this far,” the boy wrote.

There had long been signs that Colt Gray was troubled.

Colt and Colin Gray were interviewed about an online threat linked to Colt Gray in May 2023. Colt Gray denied making the threat at the time. He enrolled as a freshman at Apalachee after the current academic year began and then skipped multiple days of school. Investigators said he had a “severe anxiety attack” on 14 August. A counselor said he reported having suicidal thoughts and rocked and shook uncontrollably while in her office.

Colt’s mother, Marcee Gray, who lives separately, told investigators that she had argued with Colin Gray in August, asking him to secure his guns and restrict Colt’s access. Instead, over time, he bought the boy ammunition, a gun sight and other shooting accessories, records show.

After Colt Gray asked his mother to put him in a “mental asylum”, the family arranged to take him on 31 August to a mental health treatment center in Athens that offers in-patient treatment, but the plan fell apart when his parents argued about Colt’s access to guns the day before, and his father said he didn’t have the gas money, an investigator said.

Colin Gray’s indictment is the latest example of prosecutors holding parents responsible for their children’s actions in school shootings. Michigan residents Jennifer and James Crumbley, the first to be convicted in a US mass school shooting, were sentenced to at least 10 years in prison for not securing a firearm at home and acting indifferently to signs of their son’s deteriorating mental health before he killed four students in 2021.

“In this case, your honor, he had primary custody of Colt,” the district attorney, Brad Smith, told the judge Wednesday at Colin Gray’s preliminary hearing. “He had knowledge of Colt’s obsessions with school shooters. He had knowledge of Colt’s deteriorating mental state. And he provided the firearms and the ammunition that Colt used in this.”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...r-son-indicted-apalachee-high-school-shooting
 
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