Crime School Shooting In Wisconsin

[spamking]

Was Hunter prohibited from buying?

Wasn't he addicted to cocaine at the time or get pictured with a crack pipe? Unlawful drug use = prohibited possessor.

 

[wwkirk]

At first I got the impression that this was another mass shooting, but that's not the case. It seems as though she had targeted one or two specific people. Unless she had a bigger plan that went awry?

 

[Cool Hand Luke]

At first I got the impression that this was another mass shooting, but that's not the case. It seems as though she had targeted one or two specific people. Unless she had a bigger plan that went awry?

The definition of mass shooting was changed to 2 or more people if I recall correctly. One might argue that it was done to amplify the numbers in favor of pushing for more gun control, though you could also argue that it amplified that a certain portion of the population commits the vast majority of gun crime when you remove legal kills (think cops) accidental deaths and suicide from the percentages.

 

[Blayt7hh]

At first I got the impression that this was another mass shooting, but that's not the case. It seems as though she had targeted one or two specific people. Unless she had a bigger plan that went awry?

2 were killed and 6 were injured so it seems like she probably was at least attempting to shoot as many as she could. Do with that what you will

 

[Darkballs]

Wasn't he addicted to cocaine at the time or get pictured with a crack pipe? Unlawful drug use = prohibited possessor.

You don't lose your Constitutional rights for a discrepancy on a gun form. So no, the initial charge was lying on a firearm application. Not sure what he pled down to.

And I think anyone who wasn't born a twat would find that less deplorable than stealing from children's cancer charities.

But this is getting off topic. We should get back on to talking about trannies in a gun control thread.

 

[wwkirk]

The definition of mass shooting was changed to 2 or more people if I recall correctly.

If you're right then it seems like another Newspeak Maneuver, i.e., a 1984-style attempt to constrict thought by constricting language. The reason I say this is because such a re-definition would literally exclude mid-range qualification, such that one goes in a single step from "yet another murder" to "Oh My, Oh My, a MASS killing!!!" (Maybe even more insidiously, it weakens the starkness of killings where the numbers are significantly higher.)

 

[JBJisGOAT14]

Wasn't he addicted to cocaine at the time or get pictured with a crack pipe? Unlawful drug use = prohibited possessor.

How do you prove that? Was he on supervised probation and had dirty UAs? I mean he probably was addicted to drugs don’t get me wrong, but assuming and proving are two different things.

 

[I Am Legion]

Your “bit of ankle” analogy is really, really poor.
I’ll say this clearly, since some posters ITT don’t seem to understand my point—or at least are pretending not to: nothing justifies what happened to these victims today. This was obviously a terrible tragedy, and my heart goes out to the victims and their loved ones.

And for the record, we don’t know a lot yet about this shooter or their motive. What I *am* calling out, is this tendency on the Right to stigmatize and smear LGBTQ people on the whole while simultaneously turning a blind eye to everyone else in the equation.
When we had the Nashville Christian school shooting, the talk from the Right was all about the shooter being trans and there was practically no talk of how trans people are treated, particularly by these so-called Christians.

Are we thinking this kid here in WI is Christian? Did they want to go to a Christian school? Are we thinking they had tons of support and love from their families? From their teachers? From the other students?
And clearly this person seemed to have serious mental illness and the support was likely lacking there too.
This is an entirely different scenario than your “bit of ankle” analogy.

No one is “normalizing mental illness for political gain.” Being queer is normal, and is not itself a mental illness.

Using the word Queer is lumping everyone that is different on the rainbow under the same umbrella. That is not fair. A gay kid is not the same as a Trans kid.

 

[My Spot]

The definition of mass shooting was changed to 2 or more people if I recall correctly. One might argue that it was done to amplify the numbers in favor of pushing for more gun control, though you could also argue that it amplified that a certain portion of the population commits the vast majority of gun crime when you remove legal kills (think cops) accidental deaths and suicide from the percentages.

There's no single agreed upon definition. Mass Shooting Tracker says at least four people shot, including the gunman. Gun Violence Archive says at least four people shot, excluding the gunman.

 

[King Joffery]

That one actually got me to chuckle
What I meant is that it’s a normal variation of sexuality.



Well no, the analogy wasn’t apt because it didn’t make sense.
But it’s clear by your use of terms like “mental illness” and “trans fad” that we aren’t going to bridge this gap and come to any sort of mutual understanding here.

There’s lots of things people didn’t understand 20 (or more) years ago that we understand better. I think there’s a lot of stuff people wouldn’t understand 20-30 years ago that we understand better now, We’ve continued to learn things about that, as well as things like gender, sexual orientation, race… all sorts of stuff. And on the other side, there are those who refuse to learn, and still regurgitate these outdated, archaic views.

Just because it didn't make sense to you doesn't mean it doesn't make sense.

It's not that I refuse to learn, quite the opposite really. I actually used to believe the liberal mainstream explanation, that people were just being born in the wrong body and it was just another flavor of sexual orientation like homosexuality but the more I researched it the more I realized it actually has more in common with other body dysmorphia mental illnesses like anorexia or people with BIID. There was no scientific basis to stop categorizing it as a mental disorder but continue to categorize those others as mental disorders, it was purely political. All serious scientists actually know this but they fear saying it publicly because they know its career suicide.

 

[JBJisGOAT14]

You don't lose your Constitutional rights for a discrepancy on a gun form. So no, the initial charge was lying on a firearm application. Not sure what he pled down to.

And I think anyone who wasn't born a twat would find that less deplorable than stealing from children's cancer charities.

But this is getting off topic. We should get back on to talking about trannies in a gun control thread.

This is what I thought it was, lying on a form. Which typically is a misdemeanor? Comparing this to a school shooter is mental gymnastics at its finest.

 

[Scerpi]

The definition of mass shooting was changed to 2 or more people if I recall correctly. One might argue that it was done to amplify the numbers in favor of pushing for more gun control, though you could also argue that it amplified that a certain portion of the population commits the vast majority of gun crime when you remove legal kills (think cops) accidental deaths and suicide from the percentages.

2 or more? Chicago has a half dozen of those per weekend

 

[Cool Hand Luke]

There's no single agreed upon definition. Mass Shooting Tracker says at least four people shot, including the gunman. Gun Violence Archive says at least four people shot, excluding the gunman.

Yeah I'm reading similar after googling it as well......even the FBI seem to have a different definition of what is a mass shooting. Will need to research more as it appears the confusion as to what constitutes a mass shooting and how they are counted can certainly sway the stats.

 

[My Spot]

Yeah I'm reading similar after googling it as well......even the FBI seem to have a different definition of what is a mass shooting. Will need to research more as it appears the confusion as to what constitutes a mass shooting and how they are counted can certainly sway the stats.

MST was started after Sandy Hook by a group who wants to abolish the 2A.
GVA was started in 2014 and is what CNN and MSNBC use.
Then there's the Mother Jones database which should be ignored for obvious reasons.

 

[I Am Legion]

All of this arguing is useless without facts. All we know is that it was a 15 year old girl. She used a handgun in a classroom and killed a teacher and a student. 2 other students are in critical condition. She appeared to kill herself. A few others were injured somehow. We don't know where she got the gun, if she is gay, if she is trans, if she had mental problems, if she was bullied. It's all guessing at this point. All we know is 3 people are dead in another school shooting.

 

[Rob Battisti]

Yeah I'm reading similar after googling it as well......even the FBI seem to have a different definition of what is a mass shooting. Will need to research more as it appears the confusion as to what constitutes a mass shooting and how they are counted can certainly sway the stats.

Yeah, and maybe the ATF can actually define what certain guns are…

 

[My Spot]

It's weird how people are okay with metal detectors in city schools but sky scream over putting them in suburban schools.

 

[TUFNewb]

Bullshit. Innocent people get caught in the cross fire all the time.

Bullshit they do. People who hang round, date, befriend gang members are "bout dat life" so let them live it. For all the other yeah sucks to live in the ghetto but maybe try cleaning up your culture, family, and community. Take some responsibility and stop blaming law abiding gun owners or white supremacy or whatever.

Teenagers are kids.

I see though, you think THOSE kids deserve to die.

lol at thinking gang violence never kills innocent bystanders. Imagine being that clueless.

New Research Reveals That Most Child Victims of Gun Violence Are Innocent Bystanders

(5/2/23) ― A University of Missouri School of Medicine researcher examining the circumstances behind pediatric firearm assaults found that most child shooting victims were shot outdoors for unknown reasons and were likely not intentionally targeted.

medicine.missouri.edu

Yeah they were all good boys who dindu nothin . Enough of your disingenuous virtue signalling. That "research" doesn't say what you think it does. You sure fell for the headline though didn't you lmao.

According to the research, the most common circumstance was being shot outdoors by an unknown shooter with an unknown motivation

Unknown doesn't mean random and it doesn't mean innocent. You probably thought trayvon was just out for skittles eh?

 

[I Am Legion]

It's weird how people are okay with metal detectors in city schools but sky scream over putting them in suburban schools.

The High School my kids went to is right across the street from me. No Metal Detectors but you need ID to get in and even as a parent they won't let me in, I have to leave what I brought (lunch, books, money etc) in an entrance with an armed guard. That being said, the school is huge and so busy. Between sports, activities, afterschool events, plays, clubs, Gym, auto shop, lunch, Band....there is no way they could stop someone from getting in, if they wanted to. It's a shame these kids even have to worry about this shit, but here we are.

 

[AZ103]

I mean he's not wrong man. When you've got a society that is cruel and bullies people and doesn't care about them. It can push people into mental illness and that doesn't make it society's fault that it happened. But don't we need to take all those kinds of things into consideration and make sure that we're treating everyone with love and kindness and dignity??

I've often thought that most of these shootings could have been prevented if only society were kind enough to look out for the broken and the wounded and the hurt and include them. If only we had enough love to do something like that for people.

How many people in this country choose to be a friend of the friendless and choose to include people who have been excluded, love people who are unloved by the majority? There are people who do this, but it's a small number of people and there is no doubt that some of it leads to suicide and some of it leads to murder.

Bullying is less prevalent than ever and school shootings are at an all time high. When my father was in school people would have their hunting rifles in their trucks, bullying was vicious and no one shot anybody for it. The problem is weak minded people with no regard for human life.