Crime School Shooting In Wisconsin

[Rob Battisti]

This is true but its also the reason they're committing fewer crimes and ingesting less drugs than ever.

You believe that smart phones are the reason for the decades long decline in teenaged crime and drug use?

 

[Islam Imamate]

You believe that smart phones are the reason for the decades long decline in teenaged crime and drug use?

Not entirely, violent crime rates were already going down into the 2000s and smartphones were only adopted in the 2010s so clearly something else was at work. I think its part of it though.

 

[mkess101]

It is old man shit to be clear, violent crime rates have plummeted since the mid to late 20th century and teens are consuming less alcohol and drugs than ever.

So if anything kids these days are getting into less trouble than you did at their age.

This is true but its also the reason they're committing fewer crimes and ingesting less drugs than ever.

What does "violent crime" encapsulate? I'm talking about the willingness to escalate to gun violence. Has violent crime specific to guns decreased significantly? If so...seemingly all the cries for more restrictive gun laws due to gun violence are ignoring how historically low gun violence is?
And it's great that less teens drink and do drugs, but that's sort of a different issue than talking about the actual OD deaths due to the ones that are doing it getting fent laced into what they're taking.

 

[Jar of Flies]

Well fuck I guess the hope of CEO shootings replacing school shootings was just a pipe dream.

 

[Mr Holmes]

No, I expressed disdain for the POS right wingers ITT that immediately turn these threads into an LGBTQ bashing session, and those that treat LGBTQ people like shit for their gender or orientation.

Shut the fuck up. You said: "if they actually had a supportive and accepting environment this wouldn’t have happened". Which isn't any different from accusing a rape victim from causing it because she's in a mini skirt. Everyone can see your post.

And I used the word “Christian” in quotes to denote those who like to describe themselves as Christians while simultaneously failing on every significant aspect of Jesus’s teachings.

Yeah, no shit. However, you have no idea what sort of people the parents are or the environment the school had. But I guess you couldn't help yourself and accuse them of not following their own faith. Its always a good laugh to watch shit bags like you, that hate Christians, get up on your soapbox and tell them how they're supposed to act.

Queer kids have a hard enough time in this country—mostly due to the backwards-ass ideas spread by the Right—without having their entire population lumped in with murderers or people with serious mental illness.

Obviously not even the terrible shit you all do and say about queer kids justifies murder. But you know that, and you know I know that—this is the right wing game: make terrible assumptions and shitty accusations about queer people, and then smear anyone who defends them.

"Blah blah blah conservative and Christians are bad"

Seriously go fuck yourself.

Right back at you.

 

[Islam Imamate]

What does "violent crime" encapsulate? I'm talking about the willingness to escalate to gun violence. Has violent crime specific to guns decreased significantly? If so...seemingly all the cries for more restrictive gun laws due to gun violence are ignoring how historically low gun violence is?

Violent crime encapsulates things like murder, rape, aggravated assault, and armed robbery and in general its down since a peak in the early 90s.

And it's great that less teens drink and do drugs, but that's sort of a different issue than talking about the actual OD deaths due to the ones that are doing it getting fent laced into what they're taking.

How often does that actually happen though? A lot has to go wrong in a kid's life before he's ODing on fent laced drugs. I doubt your average middle class kid is worried about that kind of thing.

 

[mkess101]

Violent crime encapsulates things like murder, rape, aggravated assault, and armed robbery and in general its down since a peak in the early 90s.

How often does that actually happen though? A lot has to go wrong in a kid's life before he's ODing on fent laced drugs. I doubt your average middle class kid is worried about that kind of thing.

Well, theres stats on teen OD's. Pretty easy to look up and because of fentanyl they're a helluva lot higher than they were 20 or 30 years ago even with more kids actually doing drugs (back then).

So yeah, I guess I'd want to see stats on actual gun violence vs just general violence. Maybe this pushback against guns is totally overblown. Sure seems like people are more willing to pull a gun vs when I was a teen (because it wasn't even on our radar and I see plenty of news stories now of teens firing shots at parties etc).

 

[BFoe]

Queer literally means not normal

That one actually got me to chuckle
What I meant is that it’s a normal variation of sexuality.

The analogy was apt I though, sure I used a dash of hyperbole but the point was to highlight how you were guilty of victim blaming which you clearly were despite your backtracking attempts.

The trans fad has certainly been normalized, if you got in a time machine and went back 20 years and told the average liberal that in 20 years putting kids on puberty blockers and performing irreversible surgeries would be normal and only far right bigots have a problem with it they'd think you were a loon.

Well no, the analogy wasn’t apt because it didn’t make sense.
But it’s clear by your use of terms like “mental illness” and “trans fad” that we aren’t going to bridge this gap and come to any sort of mutual understanding here.

There’s lots of things people didn’t understand 20 (or more) years ago that we understand better. I think there’s a lot of stuff people wouldn’t understand 20-30 years ago that we understand better now, We’ve continued to learn things about that, as well as things like gender, sexual orientation, race… all sorts of stuff. And on the other side, there are those who refuse to learn, and still regurgitate these outdated, archaic views.

 

[DoctorTaco]

Great call out.

In your view, would it be more productive if we all refrain from making this political or do you think we should all just say fk it, if you all get to do dumb shit then we should get the same opportunity to be equally as stupid as the others?

Feels like those are two of several options. I think if we look at The Problem as the problem it makes a conversation about solutions rather than blame/finger pointing

 

[Sinister]

It's a shame there's absolutely no way to prevent these things from happening. No way at all, ever.

Also a shame the CEO killing will still dominate the news cycle. Because that's more important

 

[Islam Imamate]

Well, theres stats on teen OD's. Pretty easy to look up and because of fentanyl they're a helluva lot higher than they were 20 or 30 years ago even with more kids actually doing drugs.

Skimming Google results it seems you're right, in fact apparently the increase dates back to 2010 but there was a huge spike in 2020 and another smaller spike in 2021. I wonder if its middle class kids experiencing that or if its concentrated in crime ridden zip codes but either way its a problem.

So yeah, I guess I'd want to see stats on actual gun violence vs just general violence. Maybe this pushback against guns is totally overblown. Sure seems like people are more willing to pull a gun vs when I was a teen (because it wasn't even on our radar and I see plenty of news stories now of teens firing shots at parties etc).

I do think the focus on gun violence by Dems is misguided but the sentiment is that even if overall gun violence is down the problem of school shootings remain.

I do think that banning guns generally would help but the amount of political capital needed to achieve that is virtually impossible to accumulate and it would be in service of a policy proposal that I don't think would help as much as people think given the generally low violent crime rate we have.

 

[UberHere]

Shut the fuck up. You said: "if they actually had a supportive and accepting environment this wouldn’t have happened". Which isn't any different from accusing a rape victim from causing it because she's in a mini skirt. Everyone can see your post.


Yeah, no shit. However, you have no idea what sort of people the parents are or the environment the school had. But I guess you couldn't help yourself and accuse them of not following their own faith. Its always a good laugh to watch shit bags like you, that hate Christians, get up on your soapbox and tell them how they're supposed to act.


"Blah blah blah conservative and Christians are bad"


Right back at you.

Yeah @BFoe is a real pos. Low IQ to boot

 

[VinceArch]

RIP.

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

Fuckin lol

Yea dude changing the constitution is super simple .

Do you have any ideas rooted in reality or just fantasy land for you ?

i mean it is pretty simple. trump's going to change the 14th amendment like as soon as he gets in office lol

 

[Source]

Very sad to see.

Chicago (proper) has some of the most restrictive gun laws in the nation. You don't actually think people have to run to the suburbs to illegally acquire guns, do you?

Is your assertion that if you simply made gun laws super restrictive everywhere, that the tens of millions of illegally acquired guns now would...vanish? Be confiscated? If so, how?

I've been a gun owner, I'm far from anti-gun. I believe in the right to bear arms. That said, I think our society has had an unhealthy infatuation with guns for too long, too. And it's not the guns themselves, but that they represent such an escalatory power that's our problem.

Used to be if assholes were bullying a kid, that kid for revenge might fuck with the bully's possessions. Egg their house or fuck with their car. Now it's suicide or coming to school and shooting people. And that's exceedingly rare compared to run of the mill dustups that now end with shots fired. Normal bar fights or traffic altercations end with someone shot dead when in the past that was extremely rare. Yet...we had readily available guns then, too. The difference is that people valued life more. We now live in a world where most interactions are digital. Giving a fuck about your fellow man is an annoyance. Easier to shoot them in the face when you disagree with them.

Their Guns Fueled Chicago Crime. When They Broke the Law, The ATF Went Easy.​

In 2017, on the heels of a record-breaking surge in homicides in Chicago, then-mayor Rahm Emanuel published a sweeping Gun Trace Report, which identified the sellers of thousands of guns recovered by Chicago police between 2013 and 2016. It showed nearly 1 in 4 guns picked up by city police came from just 10 stores located across Illinois and northern Indiana. The top three stores together accounted for some 2,000 crime guns.

Their Guns Fueled Chicago Crime. When They Broke the Law, The ATF Went Easy.

A report from the Chicago mayor’s office named gun stores whose wares consistently wound up in city crimes. ATF records show the agency was lenient.

www.thetrace.org

 

[Gutter Chris]

The word "amendment" literally implies a change to the constitution. They've done it 27 times.

And how easy and realistic do you think doing that right now is ?


Yea fantasy land. Shoulda just scrolled on by and not even bothered to type that stupid shit out.

 

[Gutter Chris]

i mean it is pretty simple. trump's going to change the 14th amendment like as soon as he gets in office lol

Goodluck.

 

[mkess101]

Very sad to see.

Their Guns Fueled Chicago Crime. When They Broke the Law, The ATF Went Easy.​

In 2017, on the heels of a record-breaking surge in homicides in Chicago, then-mayor Rahm Emanuel published a sweeping Gun Trace Report, which identified the sellers of thousands of guns recovered by Chicago police between 2013 and 2016. It showed nearly 1 in 4 guns picked up by city police came from just 10 stores located across Illinois and northern Indiana. The top three stores together accounted for some 2,000 crime guns.

Their Guns Fueled Chicago Crime. When They Broke the Law, The ATF Went Easy.

A report from the Chicago mayor’s office named gun stores whose wares consistently wound up in city crimes. ATF records show the agency was lenient.

www.thetrace.org

Interesting, although still plenty of guns in Chicago. That void got filled and will continue to unfortunately.

 

[mkess101]

Skimming Google results it seems you're right, in fact apparently the increase dates back to 2010 but there was a huge spike in 2020 and another smaller spike in 2021. I wonder if its middle class kids experiencing that or if its concentrated in crime ridden zip codes but either way its a problem.

I do think the focus on gun violence by Dems is misguided but the sentiment is that even if overall gun violence is down the problem of school shootings remain.

I do think that banning guns generally would help but the amount of political capital needed to achieve that is virtually impossible to accumulate and it would be in service of a policy proposal that I don't think would help as much as people think given the generally low violent crime rate we have.

Fair enough. I think the willingness to escalate is greater, but there's certainly a situational aspect to it.

 

[Deleted member 592570]

Not entirely, violent crime rates were already going down into the 2000s and smartphones were only adopted in the 2010s so clearly something else was at work. I think its part of it though.

Has violent crime decreased or has reporting of violent crime decreased?