Crime School Shooting In Wisconsin

Rygu said:
Pretty much this.

Too many states have gone soft on crime. Make all murder punishable by death in all 50 and watch we'll see what happens.
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Yeah criminals almost always consider the potential punishment before they commit crimes. Do some quick googling on the death penalty and crime/murder rates, bubba.
 
Rygu said:
Pretty much this.

Too many states have gone soft on crime. Make all murder punishable by death in all 50 and watch we'll see what happens.
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Most gun violence is committed by people that can't legally own a gun. When they are caught with one little to nothing is done to them.

The presidents son is one of them so him saying anything about gun control is bullshit.
 
oldshadow said:
How did she get the gun? Who let her have it?
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stole it from her loser dad apparently. an american tale as old as time. kids steal their parents' guns and go shoot 30 people.
oldshadow said:
They had no resource officer at this school. There should be federal money for that for every school including tax breaks for that in private schools.
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i don't have a problem with it, in theory, but cops don't tend to do shit about school shootings.
oldshadow said:
Also school shootings are a very small number in over all gun violence.
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this is true.
 
Poon Goon said:
Yeah criminals almost always consider the potential punishment before they commit crimes. Do some quick googling on the death penalty and crime/murder rates, bubba.
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If a criminal is caught with a gun then they should know the will do at least 10 years or more just for having a gun.

If say a felon commits a crime with a gun 15 years added on to their time they have to serve.

At the very least if they don't stop having an ileagl gun they will serve so much time they will be too old to be a danger to anyone when they get out.
 
KAZSoliloquy said:
stole it from her loser dad apparently. an american tale as old as time. kids steal their parents' guns and go shoot 30 people.

i don't have a problem with it, in theory, but cops don't tend to do shit about school shootings.

this is true.
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If her parents had the gun where it was not controlled they they need to go to prison and never be able to own a gun.

If it was in a secured location and she got around it then that's not their fault.

Don't judge all cops by the shitheads. Plenty run right toward the shooters with no thought for their safety.
 
spamking said:
Oh Rob . . . don't go giving them an excuse. I was told this is all my fault because I support the 2A. You can't take that away from some of these tools.
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I don't agree with those who say we should overturn the 2nd amendment and that we need to ban guns but I also think its only fair to point out that the idea of the 2A to mean strict limits on individual ownership of firearms is a relatively new phenomenon established in 2008. I think its conceivable to imagine an interpretation of the 2A that allows for stricter gun control than what is currently allowed under Heller and McDonald. Of course conservatives rule the day on the court and for the foreseeable future as well so that's not likely to happen any time soon.
KAZSoliloquy said:
i think it's just as realistic a goal to strive for as any. do i think right now, out of the blue, it would get passed if proposed? no.
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I don't, its wildly unrealistic given the level of gridlock in Congress and political polarization in the country generally. I also think the juice is not worth the squeeze here, there's much more important causes with more realistc chances of success that political capital can be spent on.
 
oldshadow said:
If a criminal is caught with a gun then they should know the will do at least 10 years or more just for having a gun.

If say a felon commits a crime with a gun 15 years added on to their time they have to serve.

At the very least if they don't stop having an ileagl gun they will serve so much time they will be too old to be a danger to anyone when they get out.
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He was talking about the death penalty for murder, but I believe the idea that harsher punishments don't deter crime still stands. That's not to say that I don't agree with harsh punishments though because removing the offenders from society often seems like the right thing to do.
 
Poon Goon said:
He was talking about the death penalty for murder, but I believe the idea that harsher punishments don't deter crime still stands. That's not to say that I don't agree with harsh punishments though because removing the offenders from society often seems like the right thing to do.
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The benefit of longer sentences is exactly what you pinpointed there, removing these offenders from the streets. Most crime is committed by a small, dedicated minority so there is a point where if you lock up enough people without regard for due process you can get the murder rate down like in Bolivia.

For deterrence the importance thing are clearance rates. Doesn't matter how stiff the sentence is, if criminals reasonably believe or at least can convince themselves they could get away with the crime they will do it regardless of the punishment. Its only when clearance rates are high and criminals feel there is a significant risk of being caught that crime is deterred.
 
oldshadow said:
If her parents had the gun where it was not controlled they they need to go to prison and never be able to own a gun.
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i agree.
oldshadow said:
Don't judge all cops by the shitheads. Plenty run right toward the shooters with no thought for their safety.
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i mean, yeah, when the town/city has a highly funded kitted out response team. a school resource officer ain't doing shit lol
 
Poon Goon said:
He was talking about the death penalty for murder, but I believe the idea that harsher punishments don't deter crime still stands. That's not to say that I don't agree with harsh punishments though because removing the offenders from society often seems like the right thing to do.
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That and make simple possession a civil crime with mandatory rehab. Turn them put of prison to make room for the violent ones.

While they are at it legal legalize weed at the federal level.
 
spamking said:
There are definitely people with great ideas to beef up school security and prevent something like this . . . and no, I'm not interested in appeasing you or anyone else.
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You should’ve just said, “I care more about my own selfish wishes than I do about these victims.” It would’ve meant the same thing as what you said but taken less words.

spamking said:
That's all you have is emotion.
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Well, people do tend to feel those when innocent people get murdered time and time again with no action.
But you know full well that I’ve given you fact after fact about gun rights and the 2A that you’ve never been able to answer, ideas to help improve the situation that you won’t even consider because it might inconvenience you.
You’re perfectly willing to make children go through metal detectors into hardened schools that look more like prisons, but God forbid this requires any effort on your part.

spamking said:
Liar . . . the only drama here is in your head, because that's how you need it to be . . . you need it to add fuel to your emotional pleas of telling everyone else how wrong we are.
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Christ sake, nobody says mass shootings are all gun owners’ fault. Innocent people are dead—yet again—but all you can talk about is yourself. The Main Character Syndrome you and others like you have is appalling. Get over yourself and do something to help.
 
Islam Imamate said:
Overall substance abuse has gone down.
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The biggest drop there is cigarettes, and it looks like it was mostly just replaced with vaping. Not sure I buy that 70+% starting figure in the 90s either. Also looks like the drop in alcohol was replaced with illicit drugs and pain meds. Alcohol is largely a social drug, and kids are less social in person since social media, so not sure replacing house parties and drinking with friends with crushing up and snorting pills by themselves is any better.



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Per Shon Barnes’ press conference going on now, this incident was called in by a 2nd grader who called 911 to report a shooting. Amazing child, and fucking tragic they had to ever do such a thing.

Shooter was 15 years old.
 
nostradumbass said:
The biggest drop there is cigarettes, and it looks like it was mostly just replaced with vaping. Not sure I buy that 70+% starting figure in the 90s either. Also looks like the drop in alcohol was replaced with illicit drugs and pain meds. Alcohol is largely a social drug, and kids are less social in person since social media, so not sure replacing house parties and drinking with friends with crushing up and snorting pills by themselves is any better.



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I think what we're seeing is that fewer teens and young adults as a proportion are using substances but that smaller proportion is consuming novel, more dangerous drugs. That's why overall usage is down while overdoses are up. Even with vaping there's a steep decline after its initial spike.
 
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