Crime Salman rushdie attacked on stage

ok. that makes perfect sense!!

yeah in christianity and judaism they are taught as examples of how god can and does use sinful people even though that does not excuse the sin. this notion is a massive part of many christians understanding of how god works in history.


i have to ask about david though. in the old testament he spied a married woman on a rooftop naked and bathing and felt lust for her so he found out her husband was one of his generals so he ordered the general into battle and had his supporting men draw back so the general would be killed. i basically wear his story on my forehead as an example of how easy it is to destroy everything good in life as a man due to simple lust.

is that the same david/story you guys say was perfect?
No we don't have that story about David, in our tradition David was a just king and God gave him two qualities: He was very skilled in warfare by the grace of God, and he was also known for being a wise judge who could discern between truth and lies, in the Quran he's cited as example to follow in terms of good judgement and sagacity. We don't believe any of the Prophets committed sins.
 
ok thanks man.

i have ZERO interest in disparaging your religion man. i mean ZERO. you have always been deeply supportive of many religious posts of mine...... i want to offer you the same love and support.


im reading a book about dialogue between catholicism and islam buddhism and hinduism. its from a genius level theologian who is very liberal. he presents mohammed in a VERY positive light.
Yes I know you're only asking in good faith which is why I went out of my way to clarify that point with you. I think you of all people knows how some in the modern era like to uncharitably critique religion without attempting to understand its canon and internal logic.
 
Yes I know you're only asking in good faith which is why I went out of my way to clarify that point with you. I think you of all people knows how some in the modern era like to uncharitably critique religion without attempting to understand its canon and internal logic.


I do and I've had that exact problem directed at me by some of the posters in this thread who are on your case.
 
Samir Darwish, Egyptian journalist and editor-in-chief and founder of the Merit Cultural Magazine has this to say about the incident:

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It is most likely that the person who assaulted Soleiman Roshdi never read his novel "The Satanic Verses", exactly like how Farag Foda's (Egyptian writer and activist) killer never read a letter he wrote, and how the person who stabbed Naguib Mahfouz (Egyptian author and Noble Prize winner in Literture) never read a letter of his controversial novel "Children of the Alley" (Children of Gebelawi), the last one not even knowing how to read and write.
 
what is the historical context in the case of mohamed and these two agitators do you know?
@TheMaster
@Khabib Khanate

There is no need to show disputed historic context which is how they try to loophole out.
Kiling a breastfeeding women is wrong end of - no matter the claims about what she said. He is basically making an argument for trumped up blasphemy laws where you say pointing out Muhamads evils is inciting hatred against Muslims. The same argument can be made to justify the attack on Rushdie.

Let's just remember, Muhammadasm teaches to kill Muslims for leaving Islam.
That's tells you enough about the types of barbaric behaviour that they want to normalize and which the brainwashed sheep who parrot it have been zombified into. It's truly a disgusting sickness of mind and soul.

And that's also the problem, the laughable claims of Islam and Muhammad being 'perfect' and thus all of his degenerate behaviour is justified for others.

-An 'ideal man' can have sex with 9 yr old girls as per Muhammad. So apparently now every man can do the same even today.
- An 'ideal man' can arrange to kill a breastfeeding women and 120 yr old man for speaking against him and his murderous community.

- An 'ideal man' can own slaves. Yes, Muhammdeens think slavery is ok because Muhammad kept slaves. Why don't you ask them if human slavery can be justified TODAY and watch them mentally gyrate themselves to say yes because Muhammad did it.

- An 'ideal man' can rape female war prisoners because Muhammad did it.

-And 'ideal man' can lie when it suits him because Muhammad encouraged deceit to further Islam.

Is there any fucking sin/ethical immorality left that you cant do, that 'the ideal man' did so it's now ok?



ill have to look into it more deeply and see where it lands. were the muslims just being little angels in this context. did they encroach on any lands that were not theirs? preach a violent message towards outgroups etc?

Muhammadism spread through the sword. Hundreds of millions have been blood sacrificed to the daemon king Allah.
Muhmmadism teaches that non-muslims are 'kaffirs' ("the worst of creatures") and preaches they should be conquered when military viable.

Of course the greatest boon and proof of the truth of Islam is that Allah g̶a̶v̶e̶ ̶M̶u̶s̶l̶i̶m̶s̶ ̶th̶e̶ ̶g̶r̶e̶a̶t̶e̶s̶t̶ ̶m̶i̶l̶i̶t̶a̶r̶y̶ ̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶p̶o̶w̶e̶r̶ gave the infidels the unimaginable power to obliterate Mecca and much of the Islamic world in only a few hours now. I guess something went badly wrong there with the 'divine plan'.o_O

Islam is spreading in Europe. Muslims are bringing morality to Europe
Yes, the spread of :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek: rape gangs is importing Islamic morality.:confused:

Islamic isn't spreading in Europe lol, what is spreading is immigration of these groups, not all bad but many immoral vermin to Western lands now that the violent jihad plan don't work anymore.
 
There is no need to show disputed historic context which is how they try to loophole out.
Kiling a breastfeeding women is wrong end of - no matter the claims about what she said. He is basically making an argument for trumped up blasphemy laws where you say pointing out Muhamads evils is inciting hatred against Muslims. The same argument can be made to justify the attack on Rushdie.

Let's just remember, Muhammadasm teaches to kill Muslims for leaving Islam.
That's tells you enough about the types of barbaric behaviour that they want to normalize and which the brainwashed sheep who parrot it have been zombified into. It's truly a disgusting sickness of mind and soul.

And that's also the problem, the laughable claims of Islam and Muhammad being 'perfect' and thus all of his degenerate behaviour is justified for others.

-An 'ideal man' can have sex with 9 yr old girls as per Muhammad. So apparently now every man can do the same even today.
- An 'ideal man' can arrange to kill a breastfeeding women and 120 yr old man for speaking against him and his murderous community.

- An 'ideal man' can own slaves. Yes, Muhammdeens think slavery is ok because Muhammad kept slaves. Why don't you ask them if human slavery can be justified TODAY and watch them mentally gyrate themselves to say yes because Muhammad did it.

- An 'ideal man' can rape female war prisoners because Muhammad did it.

-And 'ideal man' can lie when it suits him because Muhammad encouraged deceit to further Islam.

Is there any fucking sin/ethical immorality left that you cant do, that 'the ideal man' did so it's now ok?





Muhammadism spread through the sword. Hundreds of millions have been blood sacrificed to the daemon king Allah.
Muhmmadism teaches that non-muslims are 'kaffirs' ("the worst of creatures") and preaches they should be conquered when military viable.

Of course the greatest boon and proof of the truth of Islam is that Allah g̶a̶v̶e̶ ̶M̶u̶s̶l̶i̶m̶s̶ ̶th̶e̶ ̶g̶r̶e̶a̶t̶e̶s̶t̶ ̶m̶i̶l̶i̶t̶a̶r̶y̶ ̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶p̶o̶w̶e̶r̶ gave the infidels the unimaginable power to obliterate Mecca and much of the Islamic world in only a few hours now. I guess something went badly wrong there with the 'divine plan'.o_O


Yes, the spread of :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek: rape gangs is importing Islamic morality.:confused:

Islamic isn't spreading in Europe lol, what is spreading is immigration of these groups, not all bad but many immoral vermin to Western lands now that the violent jihad plan don't work anymore.


rape gangs are not at all in the Quran so I don't know why you mention something unrelated to Islamic ideology. Why do you ignore the good things about promoting stable families, being against degenerate values, porn, prostitution, drug use, lgbt, etc,

yeah islam didn't always spread by the sword many socities had people converting
 
There is no need to show disputed historic context which is how they try to loophole out.
Kiling a breastfeeding women is wrong end of - no matter the claims about what she said. He is basically making an argument for trumped up blasphemy laws where you say pointing out Muhamads evils is inciting hatred against Muslims. The same argument can be made to justify the attack on Rushdie.

Let's just remember, Muhammadasm teaches to kill Muslims for leaving Islam.
That's tells you enough about the types of barbaric behaviour that they want to normalize and which the brainwashed sheep who parrot it have been zombified into. It's truly a disgusting sickness of mind and soul.

And that's also the problem, the laughable claims of Islam and Muhammad being 'perfect' and thus all of his degenerate behaviour is justified for others.

-An 'ideal man' can have sex with 9 yr old girls as per Muhammad. So apparently now every man can do the same even today.
- An 'ideal man' can arrange to kill a breastfeeding women and 120 yr old man for speaking against him and his murderous community.

- An 'ideal man' can own slaves. Yes, Muhammdeens think slavery is ok because Muhammad kept slaves. Why don't you ask them if human slavery can be justified TODAY and watch them mentally gyrate themselves to say yes because Muhammad did it.

- An 'ideal man' can rape female war prisoners because Muhammad did it.

-And 'ideal man' can lie when it suits him because Muhammad encouraged deceit to further Islam.

Is there any fucking sin/ethical immorality left that you cant do, that 'the ideal man' did so it's now ok?





Muhammadism spread through the sword. Hundreds of millions have been blood sacrificed to the daemon king Allah.
Muhmmadism teaches that non-muslims are 'kaffirs' ("the worst of creatures") and preaches they should be conquered when military viable.

Of course the greatest boon and proof of the truth of Islam is that Allah g̶a̶v̶e̶ ̶M̶u̶s̶l̶i̶m̶s̶ ̶th̶e̶ ̶g̶r̶e̶a̶t̶e̶s̶t̶ ̶m̶i̶l̶i̶t̶a̶r̶y̶ ̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶p̶o̶w̶e̶r̶ gave the infidels the unimaginable power to obliterate Mecca and much of the Islamic world in only a few hours now. I guess something went badly wrong there with the 'divine plan'.o_O


Yes, the spread of :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek: rape gangs is importing Islamic morality.:confused:

Islamic isn't spreading in Europe lol, what is spreading is immigration of these groups, not all bad but many immoral vermin to Western lands now that the violent jihad plan don't work anymore.

Offtopic but: This man must have the longest run of being on a yellow card or a double yellow card in sherdog history. There should be a thread appreciating your ability to say bullshit and pile up infractions!
 
Offtopic but: This man must have the longest run of being on a yellow card or a double yellow card in sherdog history. There should be a thread appreciating your ability to say bullshit and pile up infractions!
As long as I am a mod, he will never be relieved of his piss belt
<{yearp}>
 
There is no need to show disputed historic context which is how they try to loophole out.
Kiling a breastfeeding women is wrong end of - no matter the claims about what she said. He is basically making an argument for trumped up blasphemy laws where you say pointing out Muhamads evils is inciting hatred against Muslims. The same argument can be made to justify the attack on Rushdie.

Let's just remember, Muhammadasm teaches to kill Muslims for leaving Islam.
That's tells you enough about the types of barbaric behaviour that they want to normalize and which the brainwashed sheep who parrot it have been zombified into. It's truly a disgusting sickness of mind and soul.

And that's also the problem, the laughable claims of Islam and Muhammad being 'perfect' and thus all of his degenerate behaviour is justified for others.

-An 'ideal man' can have sex with 9 yr old girls as per Muhammad. So apparently now every man can do the same even today.
- An 'ideal man' can arrange to kill a breastfeeding women and 120 yr old man for speaking against him and his murderous community.

- An 'ideal man' can own slaves. Yes, Muhammdeens think slavery is ok because Muhammad kept slaves. Why don't you ask them if human slavery can be justified TODAY and watch them mentally gyrate themselves to say yes because Muhammad did it.

- An 'ideal man' can rape female war prisoners because Muhammad did it.

-And 'ideal man' can lie when it suits him because Muhammad encouraged deceit to further Islam.

Is there any fucking sin/ethical immorality left that you cant do, that 'the ideal man' did so it's now ok?





Muhammadism spread through the sword. Hundreds of millions have been blood sacrificed to the daemon king Allah.
Muhmmadism teaches that non-muslims are 'kaffirs' ("the worst of creatures") and preaches they should be conquered when military viable.

Of course the greatest boon and proof of the truth of Islam is that Allah g̶a̶v̶e̶ ̶M̶u̶s̶l̶i̶m̶s̶ ̶th̶e̶ ̶g̶r̶e̶a̶t̶e̶s̶t̶ ̶m̶i̶l̶i̶t̶a̶r̶y̶ ̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶̶p̶o̶w̶e̶r̶ gave the infidels the unimaginable power to obliterate Mecca and much of the Islamic world in only a few hours now. I guess something went badly wrong there with the 'divine plan'.o_O


Yes, the spread of :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek: rape gangs is importing Islamic morality.:confused:

Islamic isn't spreading in Europe lol, what is spreading is immigration of these groups, not all bad but many immoral vermin to Western lands now that the violent jihad plan don't work anymore.

Imagine thinking religion teaches proper morals when all the major religious texts have such heinous things being condoned, and even carried out, by God and his prophets.

The Bible has actual rules for owning slaves, with specific rules for owning Jewish slaves, instead of stating that slavery is, and always has been, immoral. You would think a god would know that...
 
Imagine thinking religion teaches proper morals when all the major religious texts have such heinous things being condoned, and even carried out, by God and his prophets.

The Bible has actual rules for owning slaves, with specific rules for owning Jewish slaves, instead of stating that slavery is, and always has been, immoral. You would think a god would know that...
the problem with this perspective is that scripture is written by men under the influence of god. its has ALWAYS been the case that gods power slowly awakens humanity towards the good. human sacrifice was going on during old testament times along with slavery and all sorts of other atrocities. you read the bible wrongly when you assume it was dictated by god.... that is not how it works. its about a steady slow awakening to higher and higher levels of consciousness.


you have a cartoonish understanding of the scriptures probably given to you by lying atheists who straw man rather than engage in dialogue honestly.
 
rape gangs are not at all in the Quran so I don't know why you mention something unrelated to Islamic ideology.
Because the mindset of devaluing non-muslims combined with the peadophillia endorsement of Muhammad has led to this happening throughout history and upto the present like in Rotherham.

Why do you ignore the good things about promoting stable families, being against degenerate values, porn, prostitution, drug use, lgbt, etc,
I don't deny some of the modern Western degeneracy but there are great freedoms also and this comes with it. One of the most insidious things about Islam is it superficially appear pious but that is just the outer circle. The inner circle of Muhammad's example and the core message is very dark, backwards and evil and the millions killed in the name of it attest to this.

islam didn't always spread by the sword many socities had people converting
Actually it almost universally did. Islam had very few converts originally. Arabia itself, Iran, North Africa, Indian subcontinent, parts of Europe - Islam all spread almost entirely through killing and slaughter there. It's always been very doctrinally weak and unconvincing which is why they also needed apostasy laws to threaten people for leaving and occupy them with mindless rituals- no other religion is so weak as to need this.

Only Indonesia is where it was spread via conversion from the Sufis which is relatively recent.

Imagine thinking religion teaches proper morals when all the major religious texts have such heinous things being condoned, and even carried out, by God and his prophets.

The Bible has actual rules for owning slaves, with specific rules for owning Jewish slaves, instead of stating that slavery is, and always has been, immoral. You would think a god would know that...
You are right, and there have been vile evils committed in the name of religion in the past and to this day due to this.
In the case of Muhammadism which is essentially a forgery which filled the void of the medieval Arabs needing to create an Arab prophet story so stealing early Christian, Hebrew and Zoroastrian sources and rolling it into a made up concoction combined with Arab village practices, it's even worse as the intent is now to freeze them at the level of the 7th century barbarism.

It's why Muslim countries are the only ones who refused to sign the universal declaration of human rights.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cairo_Declaration_on_Human_Rights_in_Islam

Instead of recognizing the evolution and progression of ethics to the modern day they are forced to accept 7th cebtury Arab barbarism such as stoning people to death as being 'better' because the retarded narrative is that this was a revelation of divine verse rather than simply a primitive village practice which was common globally at that time and made it into their book.

the problem with this perspective is that scripture is written by men under the influence of god. its has ALWAYS been the case that gods power slowly awakens humanity towards the good. human sacrifice was going on during old testament times along with slavery and all sorts of other atrocities. you read the bible wrongly when you assume it was dictated by god.... that is not how it works. its about a steady slow awakening to higher and higher levels of consciousness.
There is some truth to this also.

It's also a terrible thing when a low level of consciousness claims itself as a much higher level than it really is either through deliberate deception or delusion, and tries to claim the authority of that level thus dragging down masses of people with it who hold faith in it or are coreced and threatened to remain under it.

This is Muhammadism in a nutshell, and why it is ethically very dangerous and damaging, as a corruption of true ethical and spiritual teaching mistaking wrong for right in many ways - as well as being very troublesome on a purely worldly level both of which his biography and the history of the community amply show.
 
the problem with this perspective is that scripture is written by men under the influence of god. its has ALWAYS been the case that gods power slowly awakens humanity towards the good. human sacrifice was going on during old testament times along with slavery and all sorts of other atrocities. you read the bible wrongly when you assume it was dictated by god.... that is not how it works. its about a steady slow awakening to higher and higher levels of consciousness.


you have a cartoonish understanding of the scriptures probably given to you by lying atheists who straw man rather than engage in dialogue honestly.
{<jordan}

That's a great excuse to ignore the bullshit and choose your favourite parts of the bible
 
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