Ryan Hall doesn't believe in guard or shrimping...

[Afrofeet]

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From: ryanhall
Posted: 1 day ago
Member Since: 4/9/03
Posts: 58

Woah. It is definitely not my idea and I haven't come up with anything revolutionary.

I learned it from a seminar taught by a mythical creature known as Rickson Gracie. To squash the rumor now, I will definitely not be taking someone else's work, renaming it, and putting it on my own DVD. I really don't need Kron showing up at my house to punch me in the face."

Is this for real?
where did he post this? I found it funny hahheha

 

[YeahBee]

I think there is a huge difference in talking MMA or sport grappling (BJJsubwrestling)

If you face someone who is way better then you standing fighting the takedown is only logical to a point. better to pull guard and be "safe" in guard then to fight it and end up being controlled in side control, or tiering out going for the takedown

People are way more content to sit in guard in MMA, they should by todays unified/UFC rules they are winning, a bjj/sw setting they will try to pass which creates more openings

So many fights in the UFC is decided by boring ultimate boxing, the graplers should either try harder for the takedown or just work to pull guard. better to try for a sub/sweep and lose then jsut go 3 rounds and lose anyway

 

[TalkShowOnMute]

Is this for real?
where did he post this? I found it funny hahheha

http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/mma.cfm?go=forum_framed.posts&forum=11&thread=1553739&page=1

 

[Mikey Triangles]

you guys are forgetting that there's all different ways to shrip, some are better than others:

 

[Kenny from MD]

This thread is 20 pages of
a) blatantly misinterpreting the article
b) overanalyzing simple ideas so much that they're misinterpreted and blown out of proportion
c)actually agreeing with the article but not understanding it and arguing against it by sayin what the article is trying to say
d) inability to self assess technical proefficiency and thus offering an unsubstantiated opinion on grappling
e) all of the above

sorry if something is spelled retarded I'm on my phone and iPhone wilds out sometimes

 

[TalkShowOnMute]

This thread is 20 pages of
a) blatantly misinterpreting the article
b) overanalyzing simple ideas so much that they're misinterpreted and blown out of proportion
c)actually agreeing with the article but not understanding it and arguing against it by sayin what the article is trying to say
d) inability to self assess technical proefficiency and thus offering an unsubstantiated opinion on grappling
e) all of the above

sorry if something is spelled retarded I'm on my phone and iPhone wilds out sometimes

You forgot:

F) Apathetic amusement.


Something I'm very proficient at. To be amused whilst still not caring takes practice.

 

[delt16]

This is Ryans girl friend's blog, she mentions the article and the shrimp move.

Fifty/50 BJJ Cail

 

[akharon]

This is basically what I consider shrimping. Don't know how much of a difference what Rickson and Hall is but if it makes that much of a visible difference in your game I'd be interested.
YouTube - Shrimping Top Leg

The guy in this video is lacking the hip bump. You don't just twist and scoot, otherwise your hip will drag his and keep him going with you as your scoot. You bump vertically(quick and hard) to get space, twist and shoot out so that your hip is now on the same side of the guy on top as your opponent. This is from the perspective of the guy has you mounted. The guy should also be stressing putting your bottom side elbow to your knee to assist freeing your knee from the opponent's leg, and thus gaining half guard.

From side, it's similar, but I've seen it more effective when used to create space, and get to knees and start driving for what's essentially a takedown from the knees, or you can do your hip escape, get some space, get your close side elbow to your knee, and spin into guard.

Either way, the bump and knee-elbow link is missing. Of course, take with a huge grain of salt, I'm still a whitebelt, so take that for what it's worth.

 

[akharon]

Did you read the entire interview on lockflow? Have you ever tried your shrimping hip escape on a solid purple or brown belt from underneath side control? (If you are a purple or brown I apologize)

Wouldn't that reinforce RH's point, that a superior grappler can stuff good technique because his game is just better in every area? I'm a white belt, and if I do the best white belt, nay, blue belt hip escape from side control on a brown belt, and it fails, that doesn't mean that the technique is bad, it's me being seriously technically deficient compared to my opponent. For now, until his new special hip escape is shown, I'm gonna stick with what I've been doing. Of course, it might be the same thing, because I go to a school that is a couple black belts under Rickson.

 

[Bathwater]

A couple guys over at the UG tried explaining the "Rickson shrimp." I know a lot of guys here post/lurk over there but hopefully this will help those who don't.

HostileKnee

Edited: 11/18/09 5:29 PM
Member Since: 9/1/06
Posts: 17
Below are my notes from the Rickson seminar on the move. But this might not be the move Hall is talking about. Rickson went over another side body escape and a mount escape that fit his new shrimp outlook...

SIDEBODY ESCAPE - SHOULDER DRIVE / TURN TO KNEES

partner is side-body with just there hands on your outside shoulder driving down and there feet touching the mat with a wide base (partners chest and hips are not touching you)

"connect yourself" to your partner by driving off the ground starting from your outside foot, to your outside hip, to your outside shoulder and then to your opponent

while keeping the pressure directed toward your partner scoot your hips away by pushing off the inside foot and leaving the outside foot on the mat in the same place

straighten your inside arm up above your head and scoot the inside shoulder/arm pitt under your body away from your partner and the outside shoulder towards your opponent

keeping your outside foot on the ground and pressure directed toward your partner slide the outside foot away and repeat (hip out, shoulder turn, foot slide) until your inside shoulder is on the outside and the outside shoulder is on the inside

thread your inside leg under your driving leg

*driving pressure into your partner should be maintained at all times threw the move and your outside foot remains in contact with the mat threw-out the entire move

cdog1955

Member Since: 1/1/01
Posts: 1009
Hostile knee gave a good drill to practice to get the body mechanics down, although when first doing it have your partner put weight on you from thier knees not the feet.

Sir Taps, it can be confusing to picture it reading, but it's really easy.....

if you are laying flat with partner to your right, then your LEFT leg is posted and you are driving with that posted leg to tilt your body to your right facing your partner (its really no different than your body position when you are going to shrimp).
So you are basically on your right side, left shoulder off the matt, left hip off the mat, your right leg is laying flat, you move your hips back with your RIGHT leg, because your left leg is driving your body so it doesnt get flattend out.

Now for the shoulders, your partner is putting his weight on your left shoulder, trying to drive it down, (once again the left leg is stopping thar from happening), the right shoulder (thats on the mat), gets PULLED under you, your not trying to turn your left into your partner, you are pulling the bottom shoulder UNDER.

Think of it as moving within your own space.

http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/mma.cfm?go=forum.posts&forum=11&thread=1553739&page=2

 

[Luther]

Any video?

 

[YeahBee]

This is Ryans girl friend's blog, she mentions the article and the shrimp move.

Fifty/50 BJJ Cail

 

[bora y]

i'm not surprised he's modeling his game after roger. i've had the pleasure of meeting roger twice, both at seminars, and my game changed and grew so much. our school teaches that principle of "be on top, you're safer there, in a real fight you would rather be on top" etc.

however, if hall's trying to emulate roger's style casting the shrimp away is the dumbest thing he could do. roger told me that he works escaping as much as attacking. saulo ribeiro said so, renzo says so, and ryan hall is the one who knows more than these 4 (and many, many more) giants?

 

[MUFC]

i'm not surprised he's modeling his game after roger. i've had the pleasure of meeting roger twice, both at seminars, and my game changed and grew so much. our school teaches that principle of "be on top, you're safer there, in a real fight you would rather be on top" etc.

however, if hall's trying to emulate roger's style casting the shrimp away is the dumbest thing he could do. roger told me that he works escaping as much as attacking. saulo ribeiro said so, renzo says so, and ryan hall is the one who knows more than these 4 (and many, many more) giants?

Ryan never said he doesnt believe in escapes.

 

[bora y]

Ryan never said he doesnt believe in escapes.

he doesn't believe in shrimping. that's what i said.
but, he models his style after a guy who uses more shrimping than pretty much anyone else.

 

[Goat Meal]

I train under a Rickson Gracie black belt. I think we've been doing the "new" shrimp for a while. At least since I started about two years ago. I'm not sure if I could explain it right and I'm not sure if anyone else has tried since I haven't read the entire thread so I won't even try. I'll just say it's no that much different than the traditional shrimp, but there's 1 or two details that make it way more effective, imo.

 

[Doh!]

he doesn't believe in shrimping. that's what i said.
but, he models his style after a guy who uses more shrimping than pretty much anyone else.

Actually, Ryan said he doesn't believe it's taught properly in most cases. After being shown some different details, I believe him.

Not sure why people keep harping on this...

 

[bora y]

Actually, Ryan said he doesn't believe it's taught properly in most cases. After being shown some different details, I believe him.

Not sure why people keep harping on this...

if by "people" you meant "bora y" then it's because i misread it.

 

[yovan]

I'll just say it's no that much different than the traditional shrimp, but there's 1 or two details that make it way more effective, imo.

Can you at least let us in on these two details?

Why is this damn shrimp technique shrouded in mystery?

 

[GandolfBJJ]

Ryan never said he doesnt believe in escapes.

Oh, thank god you showed up on the 22nd page to clarify this. Just when I thought i'd never grasp what Ryan Hall had said and his thoughts, your post brings brings it home.

We can NOW put this issue to rest... Ryan Hall never said he doesnt believe in escapes...