russians and bjj??

[hansy]

ive been wondering for a long time why the russian fighters don

 

[ocfightfan]

In my opinion its a combination of a cultural pride thing, and a money thing. I don't think most Russians have alot of money to pay to fly top BJJ instructors in to coach them.

One thing that I think backs that point up is the things I've heard here and there about the fact that alot of new and higher tech gym equiment is not widely available in Russia because of the cost. So they use alot more of the old school equipment and training methods, like kettle bells and hitting a giant truck tire with a sledge hammer.

Just look at those training videos of Fedor and his team working out for reference.

 

[BayAreaGuy]

There are only a handful of great/good Russian MMA fighters. Learning BJJ has nothing to do with it since they already train Sambo, which in the words of Fedor's coach, "is no worse than BJJ".


Fedor said himself he wanted to fight Nog on the ground to show that his ground game is just as good.



Submissions are submissions, BJJ isn't the only form. Look at guys like Saku, Barnett, Ken Shamrock (in his prime)....none of those guys train BJJ, they all use catch wrestling yet they're some of these submission guys in the history of the sport.

cause fedor is more than your average sambo fighter,
he is the karelin of mma, he has probably figured out alot of his technique by himself, i heard that he didn

 

[BJJ311]

No, they just have SAMBO, which is better than BJJ.

As we have seen through the history off mma.

 

[falconstalon]

this is comparing apples to oranges, when I was training in sambo there would be some bjj guys that would be training with us once in a blue moon and they'd be puking their guts out, and id go to their gym to try it and and my hips and back would be sore for a week

 

[FIERCE ANIMAL]

there's this video

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who starts on the left side of the screen in bjj and right side is sambo

 

[xXSpawnXx]

there's this video but i don't know who's bjj and who's sambo, i can only supose by the gi colors and styles

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who starts on the left side of the screen in bjj and right side is sambo

The blue guy is the bjj practicitoner, and the red guy is the sambo player...it's dumb to say one art is better than the other, it's just better cross train both because both have their pro's and con's.

 

[FIERCE ANIMAL]

another random vid, i just typed "bjj vs sambo" on youtube

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[BAHO]

BJJ is superior to catch because of the fact that there are experts at every facet of grappling within BJJ. That is why BJJ guys have been able to enter sambo competitions and win.

Russian sambo guys win BJJ tournaments in Russia pretty often. Is taht do you think because sambo has "experts at every facet of grappling"? Or maybe it's because one does not have as many practitioners/experts/enthusiasts as the other in a given country?

 

[mmafan256]

fedor

 

[Blast D*]

not many BJJ schools in russia. Judo/Sambo is the much more popular grappling art in russia. The more popular an art or sport is, the better its competition and competitors are.

 

[johnko]

i know what sambo has and don

 

[kenpachivsgsp**]

Oleg back in the day even scared the Gracies on the ground. However his striking sucked so bad Renzo just Ko'ed him

 

[Fedor#1]

Oleg back in the day even scared the Gracies on the ground. However his striking sucked so bad Renzo just Ko'ed him

Source?

 

[The_Bear]

rusians don't train in bjj commonly because of the cultural bond with the art. Japanese and Korean fighters get shoot fighters and judokas to train for takedowns and ground work, americans and candaians typically get freestyle wrestlers and bjjers, etc. etc. Brazilians train in bjj and boxing often times. Its how they train.

 

[Tim Turner]

Wrong forum.

 

[FIERCE ANIMAL]

there was another bjj vs sambo match today at Dream.4
RALEK GRACIE X GADZHIEV ALAVUTDIN

 

[Gabicho]

The real question is: brazilians and sambo?

I'm willing to guess there are as many russians that train
BJJ, as there are brazilians that train Sambo.

 

[Jullia**]

not many BJJ schools in russia. Judo/Sambo is the much more popular grappling art in russia. The more popular an art or sport is, the better its competition and competitors are.

For better understanding what is Sambo or Cobat Sambo you have to know history of Sambo.
Basicly Sambo includ.. all Martial Art's from around world including Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu.
Please read all info and history about Sambo!!!
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[infotrone]

1. We dont have pro-BJJ schools in Russia
2. MMA is not popular in Russia so most MMA fighters are simply guys who train only SAMBO to compete in sambo but then on some point in life get recruted by Red Devil , LEgion or some small team. And from all teams only Red Devil train basic aspects of BJJ.
3. Its cultural thing